but you can't blame him for anti semitism

Hey everyone, a Jew is responsible for anti-Semitism! See, those fucking Jews are responsible for the hate directed at them!




Alternate headline:

"How Al-Qadea/ISIS/Syria's/Saudi Arabia's/Pakistan's Policies Are Fueling Islamophobia"

and a title one would easily find on a right-wing site.

fuel Islamaphobia. So do Western countries' foreign policies. Hamas's rocket attacks fuel anti-Palestinian attitudes. So too do the illegal Israeli settlements in Palestinian territories create unpopular views of Israel.

Blame everyone but the actual bigots!

ETA: It is nothing more than a "gay panic" defense. Just as offensive.

Killing French Jews for the actions of Israel is as bigoted as killing Muslims in the US for 9-11!

have bad foreign policies when it comes to the Middle East just as the US does and just as Israel does. It does not excuse the violent behavior, but it does help explain some of the motivations. You are probably right in that some of the motivation may be bigotry. But there is more than just bigotry at play here.

"2. Obama has done more to fan the flames of racism than any man in history. Millions of white faces voted for him hoping to prove Americans weren't racist. He has made racism worse. He uses it to escape responsibility. He blames all criticism on his skin color. Others bark for him as well. Especially the media. He is nothing that he told us he was. Obama has done more to fuel racism than George Wallace could have ever done. If you criticise [sic] him you are (all together now) RACIST! - See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/dave-daubenmire-insists-obama-has-done-more-fuel-racism-george-wallace#sthash.fCzthyeY.dpuf"

Agree?

It doesn't. It has EVERY FUCKING THING to do with the person's identity being blamed for something else.

Jewish leader fueling anti-Semitism is oh so different than the right-winger claiming (as shown above) Black president responsible for fueling racism!

not the fact that he is Jewish. There are a lot of policies of Obama's that I don't support either. Does that make me racist? No. It just means I disagree with his policies. Some black people are not happy with Obama's policies either. That does not mean they don't like their own race. It just means they disagree with his policies. Anyway, we are not going to agree on this so I will just go my way and you can go your way.

"Netanyahu is partially responsible for some of the attitudes towards Israel because of his policies"

ATTITUDES toward ISRAEL!

If people are attacking Israelis, they can indeed blame their leaders. If people are attacking Americans, they can indeed blame their leader. What you seem to have a problem understanding...those "attackers" do not have the right to attack Jews and Blacks because the respective leaders are Jewish and African-American!

violence. What I do support is evaluating and analyzing root causes of some of the hate towards different groups of people. Some of that hate is indeed due to bigotry. Some of it is due to centuries of nations invading each other and oppressing people and the continuation of those political policies today.

"Some of that hate is indeed due to bigotry."

What you are failing to understand is it is ALWAYS about bigotry. You are simply putting forth excuses. It is no different than the "gay panic" defense or the "short skirt" defense; it is blaming the victim. The problem is you are STILL confusing nationality and religion/ethnicity.

others mind. I will simply agree to disagree and let it go at that.

"Obama has done more to fan the flames of racism than any man in history." (for the jury, this references something said in by a rightwinger, click on the link and read all about it. Personally, I see it as racist remark.)

Seems to me that is racist and is the problem of the racist, not the African-American, Obama. "Gay panic" is just as "justifiable" among those who blame the victim. Want to claim Netanyahu is responsible for "fueling" anti-Israel actions, no prob: want to claim he is advancing anti-Semitism, that's just fucking bigotry.

do.

israel settlements aren't an excuse to attack some jewish person in france . or isis or hamas to attack some muslim person in the US .

and the people who do attack them outside of those places are just bigots looking for an excuse. do you think they really give a shit about israelis or palestinians ?

There is even a difference between the government of Israel and every Jew in Israel. There is even a difference between Netanyahu and every Jew in the Israeli government.

If people think his politics are lousy, fine. But, his politics, personality, whatever are no reason to be anti-Semitic or to dislike a single Jew other than him. Jew1 is not Jew2.

When are we going finally going to get that every member of a religion or a nation or a race is not responsible for the actions of every other member of his or her group? That nothing good comes from broadbrushing and stereotyping?

and may end up getting married. I like this boy. He is a little young and a little too focused on his own ambitions, but over all I really like him. I certainly don't equate him to Netanyahu. I don't know what his view on Israeli settlements is. I would not think less of him if he supported them. He has every right to his opinion. I would disagree with his opinion, but would respect his right to his.

personally? Or did you just want to share? I am glad to know about your daughter, but I just want to make sure that you know that I was simply responding to the OP article. I had not even noticed who else replied.

In any case, I hope your daughter and this man are very happy.

policies and not have their religion or ethnicity have anything to do with that opinion.

Moreover, your reply to me seemed as though you reply to me was more of but a defense of yourself personally than a reply to what I posted. So, I just wanted to make sure you understood that my reply had nothing to do with you or with any other reply on this thread. I have now read all the replies on the thread, but I had looked at nothing but the OP before my first post.

with policy without it being about ethnicity and I believe you actually say the same thing in the beginning of your post.

but the support for his policies by influential Western interests.

It would be NO different if a gay person murdered a Jamaican because that country has rabidly homophobic policies/attitudes.

silence by white Americans is 'consent' for institutional racism. Silence by Jews with regard to Bibi's slaughter of Palestinians and theft of their land continues to fuel anti-Israeli sentiments. Sadly many on both sides confuse anti-Israeli sentiments with anti-Semitism. I am more anti-Bibi than I was anti-Bush and Cheney. I detest Israel's policies against the Palestinians but I am not anti-Semitic. People cannot expect support for the value of their lives while they slaughter others. I do not intend to forget Bibi's slaughter of children in schools and on the beach last year. All atrocities are atrocities. All of us Westerners (not just Jews) better wake up to that reality. Our lives are no more important than the lives of people for whom many Westerners and their leaders have always had nothing but contempt.


Your analogy with Jamaica doesn't work.

The problem is you don't understand it. White AMERICANS being silent about racism in the US can imply a "consent." Silence by Jews worldwide, in regards to Israel, is irrelevant. Do blacks need to be "vocal" about African atrocities?

Netanyahu for being rude, he is accused of anti-Semitism.

Not when at the first sign of problems they abandon their nationality and head for said Israel that is slaughtering Palestinians and stealing their land; not when they don't boycott Bibi when he shows up. It doesn't work that way.

and other people for things like just being gay ?

are responsible for what is happening but they can say 'this is wrong'.

use a classic canard of anti-Semites.

Seriously?! Are you unfamiliar with Europe?

Those defending the right wing fanatics currently in charge of the israeli government, have lost their moral compass and have strayed into the wilderness of right wing apartheid.

Does not merit any real response.

They never make any sense, but they never tire of repeating them endlessly.

It's a shame they're given such free rein on DU.

When we see the excesses from sharia, or terrorist attacks who wouldn't ask the question what is up with sunni Wahabbism or extreme shiite movements.

Why do they treat women so badly? Why do they flog bloggers near to death? Is there room in civil society for countries that behead and crucify people for their beliefs? Do people really send their children off as suicide bombers and praise their actions? Do people really mutilate the genitals of children for religious reasons? All those issues and many more are wide open for critical examination and criticism.
Nothing should be off limits when it is out of synch with civil society and the secular modern world.

The people of the middle east used to be western in outlook. Look at Egypt and Afghanistan in the 1950's. The growth of extremist religious movements in these countries is a recent phenomena.

http://foreignpolicy.com/slideshow/once-upon-a-time-in-egypt/

1950s and 1960s Egypt: When Arab Modernity Allowed Bikinis
http://all-that-is-interesting.com/1960s-egypt

moment and the modern pics made up a very small minority of the country.

what is more important is that the westerners who were visiting or working in afghanistan were able to keep their own culture/tradition among the more conservative people and there were no issues. they celebrated christmas and got along with muslim afghans. it was safe to walk to go out and walk .

below the girlfriend and dead boyfriend involved in rececnt attacks at in france.