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Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 11:09 AM Jan 2015

Religious belief will be gone in the West within 20 years

and I think our society will shift into focusing on improving the environment or mitigating damage to the environment. One could say that is similar to how religion first started ironically (respect for nature).

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Religious belief will be gone in the West within 20 years (Original Post) Harmony Blue Jan 2015 OP
Why 20 years? What will happen to cause such a sea of change? Rex Jan 2015 #1
How I hope you're right! However... MANative Jan 2015 #2
That seems unlikely melman Jan 2015 #3
200 years sounds more believable. Rex Jan 2015 #4
IF we haven't destroyed the planet by then. MoonRiver Jan 2015 #5
No, it won't bhikkhu Jan 2015 #6
Pure fantasy. eShirl Jan 2015 #7
Your browser in 2035 won't be compatible, though. Better write it down. randome Jan 2015 #26
Hope so! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2015 #8
Sorry obnoxiousdrunk Jan 2015 #9
Unlikely it will be gone, but it is in the process of being marginalized cleanhippie Jan 2015 #10
I agree. I do see a time, but quite a few more generations hence, when religion... Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #22
That sounds more likely. randome Jan 2015 #27
Must be nice to live in fantasy land. dilby Jan 2015 #11
yeah but luckily that will end in 20 years. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2015 #19
LOL, Here's a project for you. Count the number of Churches, Synagogues, and Temples on your FSogol Jan 2015 #12
From your lips to God's ears. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #13
Humans are gullible creatures, so no, religion is here to stay FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #14
As well as the belief in economic growth, human reason and the idea that we're somehow "different". GliderGuider Jan 2015 #16
Great quote. FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #17
As are national borders, governments and economics, too... LanternWaste Jan 2015 #43
60-80 years alcibiades_mystery Jan 2015 #15
Can I Have a Hit Sparhawk60 Jan 2015 #18
great album corkhead Jan 2015 #25
Bong Hits for Jesus Sparhawk60 Jan 2015 #28
Never underestimate American piety. MrScorpio Jan 2015 #20
If I had to pick only one prediction this year to bet my life on, I'd bet THIS one is wrong. n/t hughee99 Jan 2015 #21
I wish. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #23
If only. nt eppur_se_muova Jan 2015 #24
" From your lips to god's ear......" isobar Jan 2015 #29
"20 years"????? I hardly think so. DrDan Jan 2015 #30
We can only hope... SidDithers Jan 2015 #31
Well I plan to still be breathing in 20 years.. Peacetrain Jan 2015 #32
What, you won't come to your senses by then? great white snark Jan 2015 #41
I am of the same mind set as you Peacetrain Jan 2015 #45
The appropriate response would be...not a prayer brooklynite Jan 2015 #33
Is that a faith based conclusion? demwing Jan 2015 #34
But on the third day... pinboy3niner Jan 2015 #35
So you expect every living Person of Faith to be dead in 20 years or less? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #36
It's a silly prediction, but people don't have to die FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #38
"...change and accept rational thought." cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #39
um, wow! Neon Gods Jan 2015 #37
my wife's super christian relatives had several babies recently, who i assume will live past age 20 La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #40
Religion has over a 2000 year head start keeping people ignorant and afraid ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #42
Hint: how many Duggar grandchildren will there be at that point? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #44
Thank God damnedifIknow Jan 2015 #46
Highly unlikely, to say the least. MineralMan Jan 2015 #47
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
1. Why 20 years? What will happen to cause such a sea of change?
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 11:13 AM
Jan 2015

I find it hard to believe churches will all be gone in 20 years.

MANative

(4,112 posts)
2. How I hope you're right! However...
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 11:15 AM
Jan 2015

there are far too many fundies who will cling to it even more aggressively (and proselytize ad nauseum, ad infinitum) as they see its influence wane, trying to force its inclusion in everything under the guise of persecution. Fifty years, maybe, but I think even that is a bit optimistic. Five minutes is too long for me.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
6. No, it won't
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 11:37 AM
Jan 2015

I'm an atheist myself, and I see no basis at all for religion, but that comes from a lifetime of study. Lacking that, what we have is human nature, and human nature invariably leans toward religious belief. Invariably.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
26. Your browser in 2035 won't be compatible, though. Better write it down.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:50 PM
Jan 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)
[/center][/font][hr]

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
22. I agree. I do see a time, but quite a few more generations hence, when religion...
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:29 PM
Jan 2015

will have sway over an insignificant percentage of people. But it certainly won't be gone, and it won't be in 20 years.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
27. That sounds more likely.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jan 2015

Even the Pope sees the writing on the wall regarding climate change.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)
[/center][/font][hr]

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
12. LOL, Here's a project for you. Count the number of Churches, Synagogues, and Temples on your
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jan 2015

next commute. Religion isn't going anywhere.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
14. Humans are gullible creatures, so no, religion is here to stay
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jan 2015

So is anti-vax, homopathy, belief in aliens visiting the earth, conspiracy nuts, scientology, cults, etc.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
16. As well as the belief in economic growth, human reason and the idea that we're somehow "different".
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jan 2015

Nobel Prize winning psychologist, Daniel Kahneman (prize won in economics): “Our comforting conviction that the world makes sense rests on a secure foundation: our almost unlimited ability to ignore our ignorance.”

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
43. As are national borders, governments and economics, too...
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:55 PM
Jan 2015

As are national borders, governments and economics, too...

 

Sparhawk60

(359 posts)
28. Bong Hits for Jesus
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jan 2015

I can't wait for Georgia to legalize weed. I already have my Hobbit pipe picked out.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
23. I wish.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:31 PM
Jan 2015

Humans like thinking that there's a plan and a reason for everything, it's all in some omnipotent deity's hands, when bad stuff happens there's some justification behind it all, even if it can't be understood at the moment, we'll all reunite in a fluffy cloud Happy Land, blah blah blah. It's just easier to go through life thinking that way, so humans (Americans) take the easy road.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
30. "20 years"????? I hardly think so.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:03 PM
Jan 2015

And we are moving AWAY from improvements to the environment, not closer.

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
32. Well I plan to still be breathing in 20 years..
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jan 2015

God willing and the creek don't rise...


And I will still be a Christian..


great white snark

(2,646 posts)
41. What, you won't come to your senses by then?
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:25 PM
Jan 2015


I hope that in 20 years one's faith or lack thereof will not be used as a means to shame or diminish.

I'm an athiest and I have no problem wishing you a blessed day Peacetrain.

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
45. I am of the same mind set as you
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 03:23 PM
Jan 2015
What a persons belief set is..is their own.. makes them the special people that they or we are..
 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
36. So you expect every living Person of Faith to be dead in 20 years or less?
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:29 PM
Jan 2015

Otherwise, your prediction falls flat on its ass.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
38. It's a silly prediction, but people don't have to die
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:46 PM
Jan 2015

They could change and accept rational thought. I suspect that is what the OP is predicting.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
39. "...change and accept rational thought."
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jan 2015

I think that's less likely than every Person of Faith dying.

Personally, I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the notion that everything that's happened on earth in the last 6 billion years is nothing more than a Cosmic Anomaly.

Neon Gods

(222 posts)
37. um, wow!
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:42 PM
Jan 2015

I fully believe fundamentalism will be very marginalized by then, and church attendance will be about half of what it is today. The remaining churches (excepting the fundies) will be more liberal (by today's standards) except in the south - but by then the South might have seceded.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
40. my wife's super christian relatives had several babies recently, who i assume will live past age 20
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:04 PM
Jan 2015

so no, i dont think your premise is correct

 

ChosenUnWisely

(588 posts)
42. Religion has over a 2000 year head start keeping people ignorant and afraid
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:53 PM
Jan 2015

perhaps in 20 years close to 50 percent of the west will have rejected religion, one can hope, but I doubt it.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
47. Highly unlikely, to say the least.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 03:24 PM
Jan 2015

In reality, the percentages of believers and unbelievers will not change to any significant degree. I think your prediction is just wishful thinking, and I'm an atheist and have been one all my adult life.

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