It is how we have public roads, social security, ACA, all examples of democratic socilaism

I am a Democrat!

And never have been a member of the socialist party, Senator!

Wink,wink

I'll never be a member of the Socialist Party.

Who cares. Your knowledge is showing and I'm embarrassed for you. Move along, there's nothing here for you.

So those promoting the third party here should care.

a vote for Hillary if she is the nominee...

come on...I argue with people who insist they arent voting for Hillary all the time
sheesh

people who say they wont vote for Hillary?

out later when election season kicks in. It's not aimed at just you.

Are you suggesting that some here among us are... not human?

I'm nailing a side of beef to the front door and sealing myself inside a cardboard box.

I have the deluxe foil lined model.

You've turned them against you now. They will snark at you every chance they get now. You'll see, lol. There is plenty of room left under the bus.

You're gonna need it come primary season.

YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS TO COMPLY!

whateva.

I only ever see that term mentioned by the Far Lefties!

When you're in it, first rule is you don't talk about it.

Th difference is that in Fight Club, members kick each other's asses. A Third Wayer seems happy just to kick her OWN ass.

the only ones that ever bring it up are Left Leaning Independents.....

when I am on a Democratic Forum and they cannot say they will vote for WHOMEVER WE select in a Primary Election....

besides....NO Independent is MY friend....

I came for the Democrats...

"LeftLeaningIndependentUnderground" right? Maybe you took a wrong turn at Albuquerque?

Please help me find it. Please????

Oh wait never fucking mind.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

And here all I found is "Democratic Underground is an online community where politically liberal people"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus


I can post here!!!!!!!! Yay ME!!!!!!



politically liberal people!!! That's me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


politically liberal people!!! That's me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


politically liberal people!!! That's me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


politically liberal people!!! That's me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Did you know Bernie Sanders is a "politically liberal people" JUST like me!!!!!

Bernie Sanders is ALSO not a Democrat!....Did YOU know that Aut?

But I BET you this....he is a Better Democrat than YOU...because he WILL commit to voting FOR whomever the Democratic Nominee is....even if it IS Hillary Clinton....How do you like THOSE apples?

I hope you like some of them too. That will give us something in common to share.

Aurora Golden Gala, D'Arcy Spice,Shizuka, Silken, Irish Peach, Lobo, Grimes Golden, Tydeman's Early Worcester, Weirouge, and of course Zuccalmaglio'sReinette.

Now for baking, like pies, apple crisps and such I like to use Pink Lady, Granny Smith, Honeycrisp, Jazz, (which I personally have found is sometime hard to find) Red Delicious, Golden Delicious, McIntosh, Fuji, Gala, and of course Jonagold.

Have you ever had an Ard Cairn Russet apple? It's an old variety from Ireland and very reminiscent of a banana. Imagine that, an apple with a hint of banana flavor. There is also an apple called an Apricot Apple with an apricot flavor.

Did you know that the Cox's Orange Pippin is the finest dessert apple and get this, it was discovered as a chance seedling. Can you imagine that. Amazing isn't it. What if that little seedling had been thrown into the compost pile? Too horrible to contemplate.

So anyway I have shared my knowledge and love of apples just on the chance we can find common ground to grow and build a friendship.

I will admit I DO like Hillary. I like her so much that as a Grandmother I myself feel she will make a much better Grandmother than President, and I feel people should do what they can be good at. She was a great SOS wasn't she? Yay Hillary

Anything you want to share?

You are so right though my friend, Bernie is better than almost any democrat. He stands for the people and shares the best Democratic values. That's why most of the time he votes with the Democrats in the Senate. I have found when he votes against the Democrats in the Senate, they are not being very good Democrats. Now there's something else we have in common, Bernie is indeed a better Democrat than most democrats.

Let's see here. Bernie? Check. Hillary? Check. Apples? Check. So difficult to get along with.

just for starters...

and you do not have the market cornered on Liberal....there are LOTS of Liberal Democrats that are NOT left Leaning Independents....

and as I said...Bernie (your hero) is a better Democrat that YOU...because HE WILL vote for whomever the Democrats select in the Primary...INCLUDING Hillary Clinton

good friends. We are on the same side after all.

and THAT "my friend" makes you NOT ONE!

and as I keep mentioning...even Bernie Sanders WILL vote for Hillary Clinton if she wins...

Be reasonable, I implore you, I have answered every issue you have raised. I cannot see where I am the one in this friendship that is being unreasonable.

if the answer is still no....they you are STILL not a Democrat....easy peasy...

(And I am NOT friends with DU members who will NOT make that commitment to OUR party)

years I did indeed go to the DMV and change my party affiliation from Democrat to Unaffiliated right after the Omnibus bill was passed, as a form of protest you understand. I realized with a little help from you, that I am indeed a Left Leaning Independent. It was difficult to do but my resolve was strong. I had to chose Unaffiliated because alas, in my state we do not have an Independent party and I am not a Green. As I have explained to you my values are such that I cannot in good faith commit to an event that may not happen as I am not convinced that Hillary will indeed win the primary or that she will even run.

Peasy? Is that a GMO type of peas that you enjoy? If So, I am deeply sorry we can not find common ground there as I do not like peas at all and I will never accept that I must eat my peas. Apples yes, peas never.

but the fact remains...YOU ARE NOT a Democrat if you cannot commit to voting for the winner of OUR Primary election....PERIOD...

Apples or peas have nothing to do with it...

like Bernie commit to voting for whomever wins the Democratic Primary election....even if it IS Hillary Clinton...just like Bernie will...OH and by the Way...when she does...Bernie WILL campaign to elect her!

If only more democratic politicians did the same. Another area that we are in agreement on.

why won't YOU do the right thing?

friendship. I am not convinced Hillary will run. We will discuss this matter when Hillary wins the nomination. I would look like a fool if I committed my vote to someone who has not won the nomination and who very well might not even run.

But I'm not yet sure Bernie is supporting Hillary. How can he when Bernie is himself considering a run?

Dean Capone is listed on one site.


Democratic Socialism is what we partially have now, and is what we need much more of.

would look very different in very bad ways

gets a bad name when it's carried to extremes.

In case anyone is curious, I was juror #3.

* * * * *
Third party advocacy is specifically mentioned in DU's TOS. The poster is promoting a party that will be running against Democrats in 2016.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jan 16, 2015, 04:10 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Directly violates DU TOS. Hide it and send to MIRT so the poster can go to SU.. Not the first time this poster has done this sort of thing.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Get a grip, alerter!
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What the hell? If supporting unions is against the TOS (which the Socialist party does) then half, if not more of the people on DU would be banned.

This looks like an alert intended to shut down conversation and dialogue. Third-way bullshit, to be sure.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Read the TOS again: "During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them."

Post should stand.

Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with alerter.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: you have got to be kidding me. An alert on this? Change the page or go to another website thin skin.

I was #7

positions and not this specifically

They don't speak for me or, I would venture, a lot of DU members. As a matter of fact there's one guy in this thread that feels compelled to let everyone know about it.

I am surprised by who it is that is attacking me

yes and he seems to be following you is my point. I've had someone do that to me till I said something about it. But, if you don't mind listening to Gerbil speak following you around, then no worries for ya.

it was who was doing it that I got real confused for a minute

thanks, sorry

False TOS Violation alerts piss me off

I invite everyone to check into our DU Populist Reform Group:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1277

We encourage the discussion of ways to make the Democratic Party more people powered!

I know right? Heaven forbid we discuss things that might make it better for everyone.

YEP. Teabaggers...funny how some have so much in common with the GOP.

and I assume they know Bernie is basically a socialist, or a Democratic Socialist like myself.

You see, this is where the Dem party needs to go, I posted the emblem mostly as a joke and to make a point, but I didnt get back to making the point before someone shit their pants, as you say

when they do that and I cringe when I see it here. YES, I do expect people to be a little more intellectually honest on sites like this! I should stop expecting that since it seems I am wrong.

and going from thread to thread.

I guess they are anxious for oathy pledgey time. Or something.

He sure is going to be busy. he doesn't want those people to be able to post when the election season starts.

Ah, I love the festive preparations for the Purity True Blue season! Notes taken, log books updated, making lists....
It warms the heart, no?

And I'm series!!!!

It truly is puzzling at this point, isn't it?

you're kidding, right?

why are you posting on Democratic Underground, a site dedicated to the advancement of the interests, priorities and candidates of the Democratic Party?

The Democratic Party platform is most assuredly capitalist, and except for some vague language concerning uncontroversial matters like equality and opportunity, it looks very little like the "radical democracy" and "new social and economic order in which workers and consumers control production" espoused by the Socialist Party.

No, thank you. I'll keep my current Democratic Party, warts and all, and have absolutely no interest whatsoever in the Socialist Party.

1% servitude and middle class killing policies?

Guess I need to change parties. How many more losses do you think the party can sustain before being completely wiped out or assimilated by the Republicans? You know that's what we promoted during the midterms right? Look we can be like them!!

Then we lost, and don't tell me because people didn't show up because they did, when you shit on your constituents what do you expect.

You can't honestly be surprised that, yes, the point is that we're supposed to be Democrats, here.

Does that bother you that much?

Supporting em is, as far as I've always understood it, pretty much against the rules.

Does it bother me? No, but IMNSHO it should be taken over to discussionist, where the rules aren't what they are here. Unlike some folks, I don't have a gimungo problem with the fact that discussionist is more open than DU, but I recognize that the rules on DU are here for a reason.

people freak out over the word 'socialism'. It reminds me too much of Foxnews viewers. It's just a word FFS. However when election season roles around an someone here supports Greens over Hillary and they get the boot, I will understand why. Until then, everything is fair game.

on who I'm hanging out with.

However there is a fundamental difference between the concepts or orientation and the specific PARTY.

The problem with the OP as I see it is the implied support of The Socialist Party as an entity. Not the word.

running for POTUS? I just cannot see getting mad about something that does not exist as a political entity or rival. Nor do the rules state that at this moment, you cannot support a third party. Come election season, yeah only support for the Democratic party. I get that, but we are not there yet, so the point is the OP CAN post what they did. Now.

even though they're extremely conservative? I thought we were *Democrats*.

the rest of the thing is completely made up, and pulled out of thin air.

So you think hair metal is making a comeback, huh?

want to answer critical questions dodge them.

"So you think country is all that?"

although I suppose I'd need to see what specific policies you're on about, before I could give you a more specific answer, Jack.

As it is, there are leadership decisions in the DNC I disagree with- I think DWS has been a disaster, I'm not sure who the genius was who thought having someone out front arguing we need to put more cancer grannies in prison for pot smoking was a good idea when the tide is clearly heading towards legalization, etc.

But again.. none of this has anything to do with whether openly supporting different parties is okay on DU. It's not, it never has been.

Smells like socialism to me. And why do we support the TPP when we know it's going to kill jobs and the middle class? NAFTA was sold the same way. Do you not have any information about the 3rd way because if you did, we wouldn't be arguing, if your a liberal.

Also it's "you're", not "your".

OK then,

the last argument of defense for some. I'm sure the poor really fucking care about the grammar police.

I bet you forgot that. But where would any of us be, without good skin?

rebuttals. Hey my little girl just remember, when you argue specifics, do it in an aloof way cause that's how you win.

You're having a conversation with someone entirely in your own head.

and as such I must rectify it, OCD-style.

Don't use that one!

At least 90% of the time...

particularly among core constituencies like white blue collar workers or those in the South. We have a big tent. Our Democratic Party platform is also not remotely as liberal as you appear to suggest.

We are all Democrats here, although you may not agree with or like your fellow members. However, neither you nor anyone else on DU can exclude anyone you deem insufficiently "pure."

In any event, if the Socialist Party meets your ideological needs and preferences far more than the Democratic Party, why are you here?

More importantly, whether you (or I) like it or not, "Democrat" is not synonymous with "liberal." A great many moderates and some conservatives, many of whom vote, sadly unlike a lot of our peers, call our party home. These votes certainly count when determining our party platform and are necessary to win elections, particularly in red and purple states.

You can believe that less liberal Democrats are not real Democrats, ignore the actual party platform, or fail to acknowledge that a broad Democratic coalition is necessary to maintain a legislative majority, but it amounts to little more than griping.

Again, if the Socialist party truly represents your ideas and positions, why are you a Democrat? At least in the Socialist Party, you would not be angered and frustrated by the conservatives (who apparently are anyone who's not very liberal) you abhor.

You can be done now, I've moved on.

Democrats are in the minority in Congress.

I'm not so foolish to believe that the perfect is the enemy of the good. I'll take moderate Democrats and control of Congress over a far left minority. Passing some of the Democratic Party platform is better than none.

Do you honestly believe that more liberal candidates in areas like the South and many parts of the West and Midwest have a better chance of winning elections than their more moderate counterparts? States like North Carolina, Louisiana and South Dakota are not Vermont and Oregon.

Seems to me Alison Grimes and her love of guns didn't pull it through. Also why did progressive legislation do well in the midterms while while 3rd way moderates lose?

No talking points please.

Are you actually claiming that where moderate Democrats lost, far more liberal Democrats would have achieved success? For instance, was Alison Grimes too conservative to win in Kentucky?

And enough with the "talking points" nonsense, particularly since you're the one repeatedly fulminating over the "3rd way and it's 1% servitude and middle class killing policies."

If at first you don't succeed, repeat it over and over and over ad nauseum. Hey I know that from somewhere hmmmm......

Man it's truly like talking to a Republican around here with some members.

"3rd way and it's 1% servitude and middle class killing policies." This is fact chief no matter how you spin it.

And I'm not going to address anything that is complete ignorance.