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markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 01:52 AM Jan 2015

No, the police do NOT actually protect us from criminals

<Note: I originally posted this as a comment to a very good Michael Winshiop/Bill Moyers & Co. Op-Ed appearing on Truth-Out.org, titled, "You Have the Right to Remain Angry." My comment turned out to be rather lengthy, and I thought it might make for a good OP here.>

markpkessinger

So we live a world of conundrum. We expect the police to protect and not harm us; in return, they expect our respect regardless of any transgressions.


What police receive in return for "protecting us" (which, by the way, they actually don't -- more on that in a second) is the salary and other benefits they get for doing their jobs. If police are unhappy with that arrangement, they can bargain for a better one. Or, if police and the city cannot arrive at terms that are acceptable to some officers, those officers have the "right" to do what any private sector employee must do in such a circumstance: either deal with it or find another job. Personally, I would favor paying police officers a significantly higher salary, paying for it by thinning the bloated ranks of the NYPD.

Now, as to this oft-repeated notion that police "protect" us. Most of what police officers do, besides routine patrols, consists of investigating and apprehending people for crimes that have already been committed. To the extent a criminal is taken off the streets when apprehended by police, sure, to an extent that may provide some protection from that person's ability to commit crime again, at least for a period of time. Also, their mere presence on routine patrol likely deters a certain number of mostly petty crimes of opportunity. But to hear police officers tell it, every single day, every single officer intervenes in a a crime in progress by a would-be Green River Killer. That sort of thing may happen from time to time, but to suggest the frequency of such occurrences is anything other than pretty rare is the stuff of fiction.

What's more, in the 2005 Supreme Court case, Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, the Court ruled that police do NOT have any duty or obligation to protect a specific individual from a specific crime, even in cases where there was a protective order in place, and the person purportedly protected by that order has notified police of an imminent threat or violation of that order in progress. Police cannot continue to have it both ways: either they have a duty to protect citizens from crimes in progress (when possible), or they don't. And if, as the Supreme Court held, they have no such duty or obligation, then it is time to drop the notion that they "protect us" in any way other than indirectly. Certainly, they don't actively protect us.

Finally, with regard to the 'respect' police officers demand, of course they should be entitled to respect -- as should every human being. That includes the public whom the police (purportedly) serve. But police around the country have conflated respect with unquestioning deference and almost no independent accountability for wrongdoing by police. And so long as this country even pretends to be a representative democracy, no person and no position is ever entitled to such exalted status.
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No, the police do NOT actually protect us from criminals (Original Post) markpkessinger Jan 2015 OP
, blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #1
legal organized crime, extortion, and shakedowns. what's to respect about that? nt msongs Jan 2015 #2
When seconds count Sopkoviak Jan 2015 #3
Are you saying that police are not protecting you when they ticket me for jaywalking on an empty world wide wally Jan 2015 #4
Yep, a cop on the NYPD rock Jan 2015 #5
Their Job Old Codger Jan 2015 #6
Agreed - all the cops are there for is to bat clean up - I often wonder how politicians say they Hestia Jan 2015 #7

world wide wally

(21,749 posts)
4. Are you saying that police are not protecting you when they ticket me for jaywalking on an empty
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 04:47 AM
Jan 2015

street or when my tail light burns out?
Gasp!

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
7. Agreed - all the cops are there for is to bat clean up - I often wonder how politicians say they
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 01:16 PM
Jan 2015

can reduce crime when there is no way that it could be done, while ignoring the key indicators of rise in crime: hunger, lack of resources and lack of job opportunities.

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