this was last March...

economic justice.
Or will he also talk about abortion, birth control and gay marriage?

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he has no right to do in our country, he can talk about income inequality...fine, I welcome his remarks...it will embarrass some repukes who pretend to be holier than thou...

Pope Francis should also extend a special invitation to Bill Donohue of the Catholic League of One.

Catholic advocacy group in the country, with a budget in the millions. Donohue is not the founder but just the current President of a group with a quarter of a million dues paying members. If the Vatican did not approve of him, he would not be in business. The League has a board filled with rich and famous names.
They do a lot of damage to others, insulting and denigrating speech and actions toward others. To downplay them as being 'one guy' is not honest. He represents many people. Not the Catholic majority but a large number of liked minded Catholics do in fact support his huge salary, running budget and actions.

This is a very smart man. I think he will be there to discuss issues that are having an immediate impact around the globe, like climate change and poverty issues.

have any immediate impact on any people around the globe (well, people of importance anyway -- the kind who have penises and weren't born gay).

But climate control and poverty issues are something that effects every person on this planet. Let's start with that.

One step away from the damn Dark Ages that never really went away from Catholicism.

YES he has a long way to go on women's rights. A LONG way. But even on gay rights, he'll at least concede that he's not the one to judge. That's a START!

It's the same thing that people I know still yowl about regarding the horrible horribleness of "Obamacare." BUT IT'S A START, DAMMIT!!!!! YES it isn't perfect! But, CRIMINY!!! It's a START!!!!!!!

We've gotta start somewhere. And if this guy is gonna use his colossally huge pulpit with the billion-plus people who hang on his every word, and he wants to start tearing the myth of trickle-down into pieces and calling it what it is, and he wants to start shoving climate change consciousness into their open and waiting gullets and filling their heads with the "inconvenient truths," and he wants to start pushing HARD on the plight of the poor for the sake of comforting the rich, that is MORE than okay by me! That's stuff we've been needing a hugely loud global voice to start shouting. Total silence on those things among anybody who had any real international across-the-board clout. And now, we actually have the freakin' POPE on our side on these issues. A Pope not afraid to make noise about this.

It's a START!!!! And a damn GOOD one. Let's not look this gift horse in the mouth. Let's jump on it and ride it to a few victories!!!

Besides - anything that makes the radical wrong and a lot of smug republi-CONS shake in their shoes and sink, grimacing, into their fancy padded leather chairs, and start reaching for the Maalox bottle before they even get outta bed in the morning - is a VERY VERY VERY good thing. FABULOUS news for all the rest of us!

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It already started. Decades ago.

The old guy in the Vatican is playing catch-up, and he's not doing a very good job.

as seen in their birth control practices.

they themselves reject as influence in their own lives. If you folks don't pay attention to the Vatican, just have them shut up. I don't want to hear that hateful anti gay shit. If no one is following him, tell him he's not really a leader for the sake of people he keeps attacking.

Sid

And when are you going to start posting links to wsws and telling us about smiling North Koreans?

Sid

Why did you sign up a second account to change your username?

That gif just seems wrong.

and lots of preaching about 'the gay lobby' being very bad. 'Who am I to judge' referred to celibates who have no sexual OR romantic partnerships not to regular gay people or gay couples. This game of pretending that it did is boring and dishonest. That speech basically said gay people should not have relationships or community or any organization at all, go without sex and without community. He said 'who am I to judge' while he was in fact judging harshly.
It was really a nasty speech full of shitty things that denigrate and insulted LGBT people and called out LGBT people in his Church in mean ways.

Some Republicans are in fact for marriage equality and even choice. Francis is not. So yeah, I know Republicans who are just fine with LGBT equality and Francis is just not ok with it.

Bigots of a feather...

more pointers on how to further erode women's rights and gay rights.

i aint buying nothin this guy is selling till he starts standing up for women, and standing up to his own clergy.
when he kicks cardinal bernard law out of his hidey hole in the vatican, someone wake me up.

I expect him to address Climate Change, inequality and obstructionism. Also what I want him to address but I think those topics are already on his agenda.
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about LGBT people that some people on DU claim to oppose.

But if he can make some long overdue changes in how this country functions, I can applaud that much.
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a chance?

We have plenty of Republicans already pushing that shit in that chamber, thanks.

He'll go right back to using hate speech against lgbt people next week.

Considering his track record, no, I don't understand why anyone concerned about women's and lgbt rights would want to give this Pope a chance.

also changes her message for her audience. it's one thing for the chamber of commerce, another for almost everyone else.

but you don't make these kind of objections to that, just to the pope.

This isn't about political hypocrisy, it's about a bigot in sheep's clothing pretending to care about people while condemning so many of them because of their sexuality.

I call bigots bigots and if Hillary tries to take rights away from women and lgbt people I'll be the first to call her on it.

a populist in front of the welfare rights league and a raging capitalist in front of the CofC.

If you'll kindly link me to the terrible homophobic comments you keep alleging the pope made, I might be more convinced. but you don't.

The pope may have the Vatican PR machine on his side (and complacent progressives who desperately want him to be the wonderpope they envisioned), but thankfully the facts are out there. I am not willing to throw our LGBTQ allies under the bus to applaud the pope.

Waiting for ND-Dem to respond but so far nuthin' but crickets.

Typical.

I have dial up service and it took a while to dig up the links.

Yay for DU, another apologist for homophobic hate speech has joined the ranks.

Wanna defect or are you in for the long haul?

read a lot into any post you perceive as being not 100% on your side.

So sick of the chronic butbutbutwhataboutism on DU.

You wanted examples and I provided them, do you have anything to say ABOUT THE FUCKING COMMENTS HE MADE or are you going to keep evading the subject?

and enjoy much of what you say...

Please consider a calm down and less use of ..!.. banter...

Hot topic for next few months, as it is, until we see what the Right wru{o}ng 5 do with he new case taken up

When it comes to this issue I don't want to calm down, that would make me like the people who casually dismiss homophobic rhetoric because it's being spouted by a popular religious celebrity.

Yes, when The Supremes take this up it will be hopping around here. If there is any justice they'll decide in favor of equality since human rights should never be left up to the whim of the people, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.

And from a side of the spectrum you most likely find queer



I can tell you, beyond a shadow of any doubt

There's always hope!

that same sex marriage would be legal in 36 states within the decade, I would have suggested you put down the pipe.

So this cynic hopes she's wrong.

I like you.

Yours truly used to have NO time for politics. Had over 1000 ppl working fir me, 400 email abd a thousand callers each day.

Used to be a RWNJ..too

Wgile pisting around..here and there..I bumped heads with Meteoe at DK, who barked at me that I should think for myself.

I was pissed.

While saying to myself what an SOB hw was and that I,m n accomplished man...things unraveled in my mind.

Time passed, I kept opinions to myself and delved into the merits of antagonist often.

Things changed and now Im a jew for Jesus type of guy... in the same way I'm a yid fOr MLK

Was the only white male, in a NYC high school, during desegregation; and never experienced 1/100th of the racist bile that we see today.

Back then, most racists were open about it.

I'm a proud liberal today, whi agues with many that g0d or evolution, one is arguing that there's intelligent design.

Things change and hope remains...

There's going to be a reckoning on equality

And maybe even msm on RICO Mitt

Keep smiling and beaming

So many people will go their entire life without ever understanding what it's like to be in the other guy's shoes, most won't even try.

"But who I am to judge?", he did say that, so there is a little crack in the ancient brick wall.

a paradox.

That's pretty extreme.

He once said "Who am I to judge" when talking about gay priests but now calls education about gender issues "ideological colonization that tries to destroy the family".

Sounds pretty judgmental to me.

Catholic Popes and their messages change with the times. Who was the Pope during Hitler's time?

And he happens to be that also. A really really tiny state, but a state nonetheless.


I'm not the fan of the Pope many around here are, and I'd frankly prefer we didn't have religious leaders being held up s authority figures, but technically you can't keep the Pope out of the whole political side of things unless you refuse to recognize the Vatican as a sovereign entity or something. If you do recognize it then you kind of have to talk to it's leader if you want to do the diplomacy thing that the state is supposed to take care of.


Do I think it's stupid that the head of a church is the "head of state" of what is essentially that church's gigantic headquarters building? Yes. But it's still the reality.

homily.

Bishops in Uganda who have been promoting the anti gay laws there, and they have been. Francis has not spoken against those laws, Uganda is 43% Catholic, they are the largest religious group in Uganda.

religions will petitioning to also address congress.

There are an awful lot of Pubbies who use their "Christian values" as their excuse to deprive people of health care, food stamps, and a host of other things, along with not believing in the science of climate change. If the Pope can change that, I think it's a good thing.

He is a RELIGIOUS leader. He is free to make a speech or a press conference. But addressing the Congress of the United States? NO!!!

Sid

Sister Simone Campbell testified before the House Budget committee on Wednesday, July 31. The title of the hearing was "The War on Poverty: A Progress Report."

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and so do the leaders of religious states, like Saudi arabi and Israel.

because that's how long they haven't been doing it, as judged by the presence of religious representatives in congress.

and I really don't see how having religious testify to congress is a violation of church and state.

we're funding religious groups at the moment: more important violation to my way of thinking.

and allowing a major religious figure to speak to Congress.

which would be an abridgment of freedom of speech.

Hell yeah, I would.

Yes, indeedy.

If I want ot speak to Congress and they don't let me, am I being denied my freedom of speech.
You have a total lack of understanding of what freedom of speech is.

It really is that simple, isn't it.

Sid

It is wrong to deny this to him because you disagree with the content of his beliefs.

It means people can't deny you the right to speak. It does not mean people have to invite you to speak at their event or location.

based on the content of their speech, you are limiting free speech.

You wouldn't want to limit their free speech, would you?

time. What's one more March For Life supporting anti gay bigot in a place like the Congress? Francis will be right at home. On the Republican side of the chamber.

Doesn't it bother you at all?

That's what I was reacting to.

But can you understand why we're so upset about this issue?

And I'm not thrilled with things he's said about women.

But I think he's helping the Church make an 180 degree turn on economic social justice issues and for that, I applaud him. And hope he will keep speaking out.

Thus, making him full of shit, in my opinion.

1%ers have *more* kinds than average.

The number of kids one has has almost nothing to do with poverty. Though the mythology of 'poor people pumping those babies out' goes a long way to get the middle and upper classes on board with poverty and hatred of the poor.

Because it's their own fault, you see. They just wouldn't stop having children, and that made them poor.

There's tons of data.


And if you fail to see how lack of access to contraception and abortion services contributes to poverty, you're blind and deaf.

I'm gonna go with blind and deaf.

This guy thinks Pat Robertson isn't a christian because a person like Robertson got into religion to take the territory from actually religious people

Dude's a true believer in the No True Scotsman Religion.

I suspect he's been here before.

Joined just to scold us for oppressing religious people.