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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI just saw a remarkable exchange, re: American Sniper...
have you seen it?
Robert Greenwald, feature film and documentary filmmaker, and political activist v. Patrick Murphy, first veteran of the Iraq War to be elected to the United States House of Representatives. They faced off on The Ed Show and it seemed as if they saw different movies.
Greenwald thought the message of the movie glorified war, made no mention of the horrors the Iraqis went through, and will be/is a great tool to promote Islamaphobia. Murphy thought the movie showed the horrors of war as told from the perspective of a soldier, the challenges of being over there and doing a good job (?) despite all the risks involved to the soldiers, including multiple deployments, PTSD, suicides, etc. In a nutshell...
I haven't seen it yet and don't know if I want to. But that exchange was wild; two completely different perspectives after having viewed the same movie.
Thoughts?
ffr
(22,671 posts)I'll wait for it on Netflix. Sounds like Eastwood spun in some of his own twisted politics.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)All About Steve, Valentines Day, The Words, The A-Team, Hit and Run, and at least one of The Hangover movies.
ffr
(22,671 posts)I know unfair comparison, but you're right. Those were bad movies. Even still though, his character isn't what made the movie bomb.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I can't say I'm much of a fan of his work.
ffr
(22,671 posts)Limitless & Silver Lining. Both also co-starred Robert De Niro.
I like how the characters he plays are believable and act in a believable manner. Given the reviews for the current movie, I'd say he did an admirable job again.
marym625
(17,997 posts)It is one soldiers reality. A soldier that believed our country couldn't and wouldn't do what it did.
No, I haven't seen it, nor do I intend to. Read enough about it that I won't pay money to help push the bush agenda
glasshouses
(484 posts)Every soldiers reality is shaped by their own experience .
There is no one reality that fits all , not in war
marym625
(17,997 posts)I said that. I said it's not the reality of THE war, it's his reality.
I come from a family with many men, and now some women, that have fought in many wars. Heroes some and even a Bronze Star recipient. I understand each one had their own private war, even in the same war.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)"great tool to promote Islamaphobia"
I agree
babylonsister
(171,079 posts)with these quotes. (FB) I'm getting a clearer picture of why I don't want to see it.
-- Chris Kyle, from his own autobiography
-- The Guardian
...pssst...
"American Sniper" is war porn. I'm sorry Chris Kyle is dead, because he should be in prison. He was a serial killer literally hiding behind camouflage. Read that first quote again very closely, then read the second one, and then think about it. Hard.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Instead it presents the killing as something he didn't want to do.
I wouldn't have made a Chris Kyle movie in the first place, but if one was made I'd prefer if it told the truth on Chris Kyle.
kerafrym
(1 post)The quote about killing all males is actually referenced in the movie, the context was to kill all males in the already evacuted and restricted areas of the city. They considered all people in those no-go zones hostile as the only people that were left in there were considered insurgents. I haven't find a reliable source for the second quote, haven't found it in the book either. The article was on the guardian, it had large amounts of assumptions and bias. I wouldn't take the quote seriously. You should see the movie as it actually explains more onto this. Plus I made an account just to correct any misinformation and anything out of context in this post.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Your first quote is a blatant lie.
Have you read the autobiography? Do you have it handy? If so, please turn to the page where that quote is located and read the two sentences immediately preceding it.
Paladin
(28,267 posts)Have you memorized it as well?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)If one is going to post a quote from it, one should at least know the context. At a minimum, they should read the page that includes the quote.
I haven't memorized it but I have gone back and looked at the various quotes that are being published (the one chosen here is a popular one) to see what the context was.
The author definitely says some very nasty things that I do not at all agree with. But there is no need for someone to try to make it appear like he is saying even worse things that he isn't actually saying.
Erose999
(5,624 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)glasshouses
(484 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I thought that the movie depicted war as hell and how it ruins everyone involved, from those killed in action to the ones that return home alive but broken by the ordeal.
I don't think it was a "rah, rah" pro-war film.
It showed that our men and women make very tough choices during combat. In Kyle's case, in this movie at least, he said he was there to do a job. There wasn't any mention of him enjoying the killings.
I know that may be different from his book or his interviews post-war, but I don't believe it's in the movie version, if I remember correctly.
olddots
(10,237 posts)Mix it with war business and its easy money .