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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 06:32 PM Jan 2015

I just saw a remarkable exchange, re: American Sniper...

have you seen it?


Robert Greenwald, feature film and documentary filmmaker, and political activist v. Patrick Murphy, first veteran of the Iraq War to be elected to the United States House of Representatives. They faced off on The Ed Show and it seemed as if they saw different movies.

Greenwald thought the message of the movie glorified war, made no mention of the horrors the Iraqis went through, and will be/is a great tool to promote Islamaphobia. Murphy thought the movie showed the horrors of war as told from the perspective of a soldier, the challenges of being over there and doing a good job (?) despite all the risks involved to the soldiers, including multiple deployments, PTSD, suicides, etc. In a nutshell...

I haven't seen it yet and don't know if I want to. But that exchange was wild; two completely different perspectives after having viewed the same movie.

Thoughts?

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I just saw a remarkable exchange, re: American Sniper... (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2015 OP
There isn't a bad Bradley Cooper movie, but ffr Jan 2015 #1
There are numerous bad Bradley Cooper movies oberliner Jan 2015 #13
I meant, that I know of. ffr Jan 2015 #18
Which are the ones that you like? oberliner Jan 2015 #19
It's a short list, admittedly ffr Jan 2015 #20
Because the movie isn't the reality of the war marym625 Jan 2015 #2
It's a film of a guy on the ground glasshouses Jan 2015 #10
yes, I agree marym625 Jan 2015 #11
They're both right. JaneyVee Jan 2015 #3
He gets it JonLP24 Jan 2015 #4
Just saw movie described as war porn... babylonsister Jan 2015 #5
I'd support a Chris Kyle movie more if it included those lines JonLP24 Jan 2015 #6
Misinformation/out of context kerafrym Jan 2015 #8
Taking quotes out of context is less than helpful oberliner Jan 2015 #14
Sure sounds live YOU'VE read the autobiography. Paladin Jan 2015 #16
I've read it, yes oberliner Jan 2015 #17
I saw the trailer and vomited. I literally went into the bathroom and fucking blew chunks. Erose999 Jan 2015 #21
Everything is relative. nt kelliekat44 Jan 2015 #7
It's probably the best anti war film to come out since Platoon glasshouses Jan 2015 #9
I agree more with Murphy bigwillq Jan 2015 #12
Theres No Business Like Show Business! olddots Jan 2015 #15

ffr

(22,671 posts)
1. There isn't a bad Bradley Cooper movie, but
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 06:35 PM
Jan 2015

I'll wait for it on Netflix. Sounds like Eastwood spun in some of his own twisted politics.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. There are numerous bad Bradley Cooper movies
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:12 AM
Jan 2015

All About Steve, Valentines Day, The Words, The A-Team, Hit and Run, and at least one of The Hangover movies.

ffr

(22,671 posts)
18. I meant, that I know of.
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 02:25 PM
Jan 2015

I know unfair comparison, but you're right. Those were bad movies. Even still though, his character isn't what made the movie bomb.

ffr

(22,671 posts)
20. It's a short list, admittedly
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 06:36 PM
Jan 2015

Limitless & Silver Lining. Both also co-starred Robert De Niro.

I like how the characters he plays are believable and act in a believable manner. Given the reviews for the current movie, I'd say he did an admirable job again.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
2. Because the movie isn't the reality of the war
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 06:37 PM
Jan 2015

It is one soldiers reality. A soldier that believed our country couldn't and wouldn't do what it did.

No, I haven't seen it, nor do I intend to. Read enough about it that I won't pay money to help push the bush agenda

 

glasshouses

(484 posts)
10. It's a film of a guy on the ground
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 03:09 AM
Jan 2015

Every soldiers reality is shaped by their own experience .

There is no one reality that fits all , not in war

marym625

(17,997 posts)
11. yes, I agree
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 08:29 AM
Jan 2015

I said that. I said it's not the reality of THE war, it's his reality.

I come from a family with many men, and now some women, that have fought in many wars. Heroes some and even a Bronze Star recipient. I understand each one had their own private war, even in the same war.

babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
5. Just saw movie described as war porn...
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 07:23 PM
Jan 2015

with these quotes. (FB) I'm getting a clearer picture of why I don't want to see it.


If you see anyone from about sixteen to sixty-five and they’re male, shoot ‘em. Kill every male you see.

-- Chris Kyle, from his own autobiography


(He) reportedly described killing as “fun,” something he “loved”; he was unwavering in his belief that everyone he shot was a “bad guy.” “I hate the damn savages,” he wrote. “I couldn’t give a flying fuck about the Iraqis.” He bragged about murdering looters during Hurricane Katrina, though that was never substantiated.

-- The Guardian

...pssst...

"American Sniper" is war porn. I'm sorry Chris Kyle is dead, because he should be in prison. He was a serial killer literally hiding behind camouflage. Read that first quote again very closely, then read the second one, and then think about it. Hard.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
6. I'd support a Chris Kyle movie more if it included those lines
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 07:28 PM
Jan 2015

Instead it presents the killing as something he didn't want to do.

I wouldn't have made a Chris Kyle movie in the first place, but if one was made I'd prefer if it told the truth on Chris Kyle.

kerafrym

(1 post)
8. Misinformation/out of context
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 02:55 AM
Jan 2015

The quote about killing all males is actually referenced in the movie, the context was to kill all males in the already evacuted and restricted areas of the city. They considered all people in those no-go zones hostile as the only people that were left in there were considered insurgents. I haven't find a reliable source for the second quote, haven't found it in the book either. The article was on the guardian, it had large amounts of assumptions and bias. I wouldn't take the quote seriously. You should see the movie as it actually explains more onto this. Plus I made an account just to correct any misinformation and anything out of context in this post.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. Taking quotes out of context is less than helpful
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jan 2015

Your first quote is a blatant lie.

Have you read the autobiography? Do you have it handy? If so, please turn to the page where that quote is located and read the two sentences immediately preceding it.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
17. I've read it, yes
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:43 AM
Jan 2015

If one is going to post a quote from it, one should at least know the context. At a minimum, they should read the page that includes the quote.

I haven't memorized it but I have gone back and looked at the various quotes that are being published (the one chosen here is a popular one) to see what the context was.

The author definitely says some very nasty things that I do not at all agree with. But there is no need for someone to try to make it appear like he is saying even worse things that he isn't actually saying.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
12. I agree more with Murphy
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:04 AM
Jan 2015

I thought that the movie depicted war as hell and how it ruins everyone involved, from those killed in action to the ones that return home alive but broken by the ordeal.

I don't think it was a "rah, rah" pro-war film.

It showed that our men and women make very tough choices during combat. In Kyle's case, in this movie at least, he said he was there to do a job. There wasn't any mention of him enjoying the killings.

I know that may be different from his book or his interviews post-war, but I don't believe it's in the movie version, if I remember correctly.

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