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kpete

(71,997 posts) Wed Apr 25, 2012, 07:24 PM Apr 2012

George W. Bush-Discharge Papers - "Military Qualifications" = "NONE"

What’s clear, however, is that Bush’s superiors made it unusually easy for him to quit flying and leave Houston. They first attempted to sign him up for a postal unit in Alabama that met once a month. (The commander of the outfit told Bush he couldn’t guarantee that the group would even exist in three months but added, “We’re glad to have you!”) When Bush was informed that he couldn’t fulfill his duty by doing that, he sent a letter requesting “equivalent duty” with the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group, at Dannelly Air Base, in Montgomery. The unit commander, in official memos, said Bush could start by attending two drills in September 1972. He didn’t show up for the drills.

When Bush lost his flight status, in August 1972, the official military protocol of the Texas Air National Guard was to open an internal investigation and review why the pilot didn’t show up for his physical. It says so on Bush’s own documents. That never happened.

Bush’s go-to expert on his military record, Albert Lloyd, said a report wasn’t necessary because Bush’s commanders knew he had stopped flying to go to work in Alabama—proof only that the Air National Guard blew off the rules when it came to Bush.

more & links:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/25/1085393/-Dan-Rather-got-it-right-George-W-Bush-DID-go-AWOL
Here' is a pdf Link to the military's own records with a hat tip to Sura 109.
http://web.archive.org/web/20100209013920/http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/bush_records/personnel_pt5.pdf
MORE Docs:
http://www.glcq.com/docs/
http://www.glcq.com/docs/points_1973_summary_handwritten.pdf

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See where it says NONE in the qualifications box? what does someone in the military get paid for when he has NONE in his qualifications box?

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We don't need no steenkin' CBS documents.

The Pentagon has taken down george w. bush's military documents, but the Wayback Machine still has them. Just for starters, here's Part 5, page 6:

In accordance with paragraph 2-29m, AFM 35-13, failure to accomplish annual medical examination, 1st Lt (g)eorge (w). ush, (redacted), is suspended from flying status effective date 1 Aug 1972. Publish orders as directed in paragraph 2-28, AFM 35-13.
And in a monospaced font to boot.

http://wayback.archive.org/web/jsp/Interstitial.jsp?seconds=5&date=1267511108000&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dod.mil%2Fpubs%2Ffoi%2Fbush_records%2Fpersonnel_pt5.pdf&target=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20100302062508%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.dod.mil%2Fpubs%2Ffoi%2Fbush_records%2Fpersonnel_pt5.pdf

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George W. Bush-Discharge Papers - "Military Qualifications" = "NONE" (Original Post) kpete Apr 2012 OP

He's a pilot without a pilot qualifications badge MrScorpio Apr 2012 #1

He's also a good ol' Texas cowboy who went to Yale. Initech Apr 2012 #4

Box 22 lists his pilot qualification. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #18

Paging the birthers gratuitous Apr 2012 #2

so... the right wingers rallied around a fraud... figures fascisthunter Apr 2012 #3

He didn't have any legitimate Presidential qualifications, either Siwsan Apr 2012 #5

If I had pulled the shit Bush did, I would have spent time behind bars. Elwood P Dowd Apr 2012 #6

If you pulled the shit he pulled, you would HubertHeaver Apr 2012 #11

Yes, he was basically given the rank as Lt after basic training -- no ROTC, no OTS, no nothing. Elwood P Dowd Apr 2012 #15

Couldn't even make himself available to sign the frickin' form??????? calimary Apr 2012 #7

Sounds like "of no fixed address". JBoy Apr 2012 #12

Shows you what the value of being a moving target can be. calimary Apr 2012 #21

Thank God we're looking forward. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #8

Take it up with your local draft board. Major Hogwash Apr 2012 #9

Yes, but he went to the dentist aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2012 #10

That had me ROFLing. JBoy Apr 2012 #13

Double ++ good. Mc Mike Apr 2012 #17

FR will scream it's a fraud Gman Apr 2012 #14

FRAUD - he took pay whole not doing the work underpants Apr 2012 #16

Hope to live to see the day he is rotting in jail. libtodeath Apr 2012 #19

Look at box 22 - it shows his designation as a fighter pilot hack89 Apr 2012 #20

You are misreading the box. former9thward Apr 2012 #22

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)

1. He's a pilot without a pilot qualifications badge

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 07:27 PM

Apr 2012

Strange indeed

Initech

(100,081 posts)

4. He's also a good ol' Texas cowboy who went to Yale.

Reply to MrScorpio (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 07:37 PM

Apr 2012

A genuine phony through and through - I swear he was only elected (if you can call that an election) to amplify all of Reagan's failed policies and make them worse for us but better for the upper 1%.

hack89

(39,171 posts)

18. Box 22 lists his pilot qualification. nt

Reply to MrScorpio (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:30 AM

Apr 2012

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)

2. Paging the birthers

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 07:32 PM

Apr 2012

See anything here that might pique your all-consuming interest in long-ago events? Like, say, a six year obligation that's fully and honorably discharged after a little more than five years and four months? Or a person being discharged who isn't even around to sign his discharge papers?

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)

3. so... the right wingers rallied around a fraud... figures

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 07:34 PM

Apr 2012

they like that BS John Wayne swagger, because they are just as phony.

Siwsan

(26,272 posts)

5. He didn't have any legitimate Presidential qualifications, either

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 07:38 PM

Apr 2012

I'm surprised they found this much paperwork on him. Probably a favor to his daddy.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)

6. If I had pulled the shit Bush did, I would have spent time behind bars.

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 07:50 PM

Apr 2012

I was in the Army '70-72 and skipping out on duty as many times as he did would get you in some serious shit.

HubertHeaver

(2,522 posts)

11. If you pulled the shit he pulled, you would

Reply to Elwood P Dowd (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:40 PM

Apr 2012

still be behind bars.

Notice his rank. This son-of-a-sitting-congressman and grandson-of-a-senator was promoted all the way to Lt in under five years! Just how much of a screw-up was he?

I personally knew 2 officers who received poor ER's, still made Captain but were not allowed to stay in the AF.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)

15. Yes, he was basically given the rank as Lt after basic training -- no ROTC, no OTS, no nothing.

Reply to HubertHeaver (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:01 PM

Apr 2012

In 5 years he was still a Lt. Never knew any Lt that didn't make Capt after about 2-3 years.

calimary

(81,323 posts)

7. Couldn't even make himself available to sign the frickin' form???????

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 07:54 PM

Apr 2012

What a NOTHING. A no-good, good-for-nothing, NOTHING.

JBoy

(8,021 posts)

12. Sounds like "of no fixed address".

Reply to calimary (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:42 PM

Apr 2012

calimary

(81,323 posts)

21. Shows you what the value of being a moving target can be.

Reply to JBoy (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:31 PM

Apr 2012

Let's you beat the rap.

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)

8. Thank God we're looking forward. n/t

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 07:58 PM

Apr 2012

K&R

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)

9. Take it up with your local draft board.

Reply to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:21 PM

Apr 2012

"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant" ~ Arlo Gutherie

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)

10. Yes, but he went to the dentist

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:37 PM

Apr 2012

I remember how that one record of a teeth cleaning while in the Guard that supposedly proved he didn't go AWOL was trumpeted far and wide by the Republicans as something even superior to Kerry's Silver Star. There should have been an SNL skit showing the great GOP monkey in a dentist chair while Barber's Adagio For Strings (theme from movie Platoon) played in the background.

JBoy

(8,021 posts)

13. That had me ROFLing.

Reply to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:43 PM

Apr 2012

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)

17. Double ++ good.

Reply to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:19 AM

Apr 2012

Gman

(24,780 posts)

14. FR will scream it's a fraud

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:44 PM

Apr 2012

they'll compare type face and other ridiculous bullshit.

underpants

(182,835 posts)

16. FRAUD - he took pay whole not doing the work

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:19 PM

Apr 2012

He couldn't muster a postal job??? I got one of those when I was "short" and it was the easy duty EVER for me....compared to being a Cav Scout that is.

libtodeath

(2,888 posts)

19. Hope to live to see the day he is rotting in jail.

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:40 AM

Apr 2012

hack89

(39,171 posts)

20. Look at box 22 - it shows his designation as a fighter pilot

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:40 AM

Apr 2012

you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. His flight logs were released to the public - we know he flew on active duty with the Guard from 1970 to 1972 and had over 300 hours in the F-102.

He was qualified to get paid - at least for those two years.

former9thward

(32,028 posts)

22. You are misreading the box.

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:49 PM

Apr 2012

That box is for shooting qualifications. Unless you are a MP most occupations in the Air Force and Air Guard would have 'none' in that box.

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