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davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 05:31 AM Jan 2015

Alabama says they will refuse court orders to issue marriage licenses to gay couples

There's a big fight underway right now in Alabama, with a Judge overturning a marriage ban and state officials refusing to obey his order to issue licenses. Anti-gay politicians are threatening to ban all marriage licenses if the Supreme Court rules in favor of equality. And one lawmaker even wants to send clerks to jail if they issue licenses to anyone -- gay or straight.

Late on Friday, a Federal judge in Alabama ruled that the state's marriage ban is unconstitutional, and that the state must begin issuing licenses right away. Attorney General Luther Strange didn't care for that, and has asked for an indefinite stay. Meanwhile, a state association of judges has advised their members that they can just disregard the ruling. This is almost certainly dead wrong, and I'll talk about why in a minute. But as of this week, gay and lesbian couples are attempting to obtain marriage licenses in Alabama, so expect a tense standoff to play out over the next few days.

It's worth pointing out that last week President Obama made history by endorsing marriage equality in the State of the Union, saying that gay and lesbian couples getting married represents "America at its best." The last time anyone talked about marriage in a State of the Union was George W. Bush, calling for a federal constitutional ban, so this is a little better.

It makes good political sense to endorse marriage equality right now, because a new survey from Zogby shows that by 5 percentage points, voters are now less likely to vote for a candidate who opposes the freedom to marry. This puts some anti-equality Republicans in a tough spot. They can either admit they were wrong, and come out for marriage. Or they can double-down and get even more anti-gay.

That's what Mike Huckabee did last week. He said that if the Supreme Court rules in favor of equality, states don't have to obey the decision, and could still refuse to provide licenses. Obviously, that's not true at all, thanks to a litte-known document called the U.S. Constitution. Maybe Huckabee has just never read it as far as Article 6, which says "The Laws of the United States ... shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby." In fact, Huckabee's argument is identical to the one used in 1957 by another Arkansas Governor, Orval Faubus. He said the state didn't have to abide by the school desegregation ordered in Brown v. Board of Education, and President Eisenhauer had to send the National Guard to force him to comply. So Huckabee's great company here.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-baume/politician-wants-arrests_b_6543554.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

The federal judge did just put a 14-day stay on the decision so the state can appeal the decision to the 11th circuit court in Atlanta, or the US Supreme Court.
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Alabama says they will refuse court orders to issue marriage licenses to gay couples (Original Post) davidn3600 Jan 2015 OP
This is so stupid. LuvNewcastle Jan 2015 #1
always leading the way being backwards Skittles Jan 2015 #2
OK is trying too. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #3
oh yes, OK always on that list Skittles Jan 2015 #4
Well... Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #5
OK has really clean highway restroom stops too Skittles Jan 2015 #16
OK is in the stone age Joey Liberal Jan 2015 #9
I think I have become bored tormenting repukes in Texas Skittles Jan 2015 #15
And at last, here we are again. "Massive resistance" again in response to civil rights. nt NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #6
Funny how this keeps popping up. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #14
That was my first thought as well. hifiguy Jan 2015 #19
I expect JackInGreen Jan 2015 #7
It is not that,,,,,, Cryptoad Jan 2015 #8
Just like the 1950's for Talibama. nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #10
Thanks for the post marym625 Jan 2015 #11
Boo, hiss libodem Jan 2015 #12
Huckabee is such a fine example of RW ignorance. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #13
tbh, I'm hoping they go through with their threats to ban all marriage licences. Lancero Jan 2015 #17
Yeah, we gotta ban marriage to save it! That's the ticket! Maeve Jan 2015 #18

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
1. This is so stupid.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 05:53 AM
Jan 2015

I guess Obama will have to send federal marshals to clerks' offices to make sure the licenses are issued. I am so sick of these morons. It's time for them to go to Russia, Uganda, or some other homophobic shithole and have their hatefest. We shouldn't have to put up with these troglodytes in 2015.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
3. OK is trying too.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:07 AM
Jan 2015

As it stands, judges will not give out licenses here. Our marriage had to be officiated by a religious leader; thankfully, we found one. Two months of wedded bliss...

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
5. Well...
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:39 AM
Jan 2015

I did meet my husband here and he is from here, so OK is OK by me! I have never felt so special or loved until I met him. Plus, if you hate the weather here, just wait a few hours...it'll change! LOL!

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
15. I think I have become bored tormenting repukes in Texas
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:41 PM
Jan 2015

they're so predictable it has taken the fun out of it

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
8. It is not that,,,,,,
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 07:13 AM
Jan 2015

Alabama doesn't believe all Americans have Equal protection under the Constitution. They just don't believe that Gay Folk are "Real" Americans.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
11. Thanks for the post
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 08:35 AM
Jan 2015

As amazing it is to me that this is still happening, I have a bad feeling. The SCOTUS taking the other case doesn't give me an easy feeling. .I don't believe it will go back to the way it was, but I think there's more fight left before equal marriage rights is the law of the land

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
13. Huckabee is such a fine example of RW ignorance.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:00 AM
Jan 2015

His little performance with Ted Nugent demonstrates this to the fullest.

He shows here that he believes, against all history and evidence to the contrary, that states rights trump federal law.

If Huckabee was highly qualified to be President of the United States, this misunderstanding alone would be enough to disqualify him to a level approximately equal to that of Sarah Palin.

Of course Huckabee is not qualified to be president of the United States, or of any state or office of any kind.

Hear, me, Mike? You dumb fuck.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
17. tbh, I'm hoping they go through with their threats to ban all marriage licences.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jan 2015

As controversial as that would be, it's bound to explode in their faces and the backlash from such a action would put a spotlight what other state's politicians are doing to keep gay marriage bans on the books.


Maeve

(42,282 posts)
18. Yeah, we gotta ban marriage to save it! That's the ticket!
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:59 PM
Jan 2015
That is probably one of the dumber strategies they've come up with and yes, it can only blow up in their faces.
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