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Nobel Prizes and awards for saving lives. Rare. Entertainers receiving awards. Endless. (Original Post) merrily Jan 2015 OP
I don't watch any of them. HappyMe Jan 2015 #1
Why do we seem more obsessed with singers and actors than with brain surgeons? merrily Jan 2015 #2
I don't know that brain surgeons HappyMe Jan 2015 #10
Yeah! And how many knighthoods are bestowed for protecting the Realm? Orrex Jan 2015 #3
In the US? merrily Jan 2015 #5
Hell yeah! Are there any other countries that matter? Orrex Jan 2015 #6
That's show biz! GreatGazoo Jan 2015 #4
Let's hope not! But they do get some awards. We just don't care enough to televise, though. merrily Jan 2015 #11
I probably wouldn't watch The Doctor Awards either. HappyMe Jan 2015 #15
Even if the award were for inventing some lifesaving procedure? Or finding a vaccine or curing some merrily Jan 2015 #16
Probably not. HappyMe Jan 2015 #17
Even reading the names of all winners and their accomplishments in papers would be an improvement, merrily Jan 2015 #18
Just because they are scientists HappyMe Jan 2015 #19
Never said they didn't know how to dress. Whether they know or care who designed their garb and merrily Jan 2015 #20
the purpose of the award shows hfojvt Jan 2015 #22
i thought your Op might be about this. a fav of mine and right on point to your OP. seabeyond Jan 2015 #7
Yes (except celebrities were hosting an award show for fellow celebrities when they they said it). merrily Jan 2015 #12
I read about them the next day el_bryanto Jan 2015 #8
I think my Reply 11 answers your question. I also don't know how we change priorities. merrily Jan 2015 #13
I am pretty sure brain surgeons get their due hfojvt Jan 2015 #25
Unsung in comparison. Everything is relative, as the saying goes. merrily Jan 2015 #45
None. Most of the award winners are selected by morons. Adrahil Jan 2015 #9
Not everyone wants to be on tv JI7 Jan 2015 #14
I don't watch any of them. MineralMan Jan 2015 #21
LOL! merrily Jan 2015 #23
I'm curious. What did you find in my post to LOL about? MineralMan Jan 2015 #26
So any form of entertainment is unacceptable until the world's problems are dealt with? brooklynite Jan 2015 #24
Never said anything remotely like that. Starting a post with "So" and purporting to reword are merrily Jan 2015 #27
Awards shows are nothing more than escapist entertainment and are treated as such... brooklynite Jan 2015 #29
I am not sure they are treated as such. And a more pointed question might be merrily Jan 2015 #31
The entertainment business is a business which knows how to self promote, those awards shows Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #28
I don't know if mass popularity is utterly worthless to research scientists. merrily Jan 2015 #30
I mean professionally. Popularity is not their stock in trade, it is for entertainers. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #34
You made excellent points. merrily Jan 2015 #35
PBS used to air the Nobel Prize ceremonies. kentauros Jan 2015 #32
Luckily, we can recognize accomplishments of others without subjecting ourselves to education. merrily Jan 2015 #33
Yes we can :) kentauros Jan 2015 #39
With enough media hype, we might be able to be trained to have more interest than we current seem to merrily Jan 2015 #42
You have to look at it from the media's side, though. kentauros Jan 2015 #47
Would love forsaken mortal Jan 2015 #36
I forgot that the prizes were individually designed. kentauros Jan 2015 #40
One would think that at least some public access station could air them. merrily Jan 2015 #43
I don't watch any. 840high Jan 2015 #37
I don't have a need to see rich people pat each other on the back. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #38
All I can say is that country music seems to have an awards show every week. nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #41
That could probably be made into a good country music song. merrily Jan 2015 #46
I'm of the mind that entertainment is considered... entertaining LanternWaste Jan 2015 #44

merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. Why do we seem more obsessed with singers and actors than with brain surgeons?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:19 AM
Jan 2015

We compensate one group much more highly than the other, follow one group much more closely than the other, etc.

Media says we demand it. Do we really? No one asked me whether I'd rather celebrate entertainers than cardiovascular specialists or nurses or teachers, or union heroes, etc.!

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
10. I don't know that brain surgeons
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:30 AM
Jan 2015

or cardiovascular doctors are all that interested in perpetual kudos like actors are. Sometimes I wonder if the actors are even bored with the huge amount of award shows they are expected to go to. If the awards shows weren't so boring, I have to say I may watch to see the gowns. Life doesn't have to be serious every moment.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
4. That's show biz!
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:21 AM
Jan 2015

and I don't think that people save lives with the thought that they may get invited to an awards show, or not.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. Let's hope not! But they do get some awards. We just don't care enough to televise, though.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:30 AM
Jan 2015

In a Scrubs episode, Zac Braff's character made some joke about there being no point in attending a medical awards dinner because "Dr. Chalhoub" always wins all the awards, which I assume was a reference to actor Tony Chalhoub, who won three emmys for his portrayal of Adrian Monk. But, in real life, other professions that make a contribution to society beyond entertaining us do have awards and even award ceremonies. But, as I said, our priorities don't include giving them homage. Or, at least media claims it is only reflecting our priorities.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
16. Even if the award were for inventing some lifesaving procedure? Or finding a vaccine or curing some
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:39 AM
Jan 2015

disease theretofore thought incurable?

Also, I think there is a middle ground beyond next to no publicity at all for accomplishment in some fields and one award show after another for movie actors, television actors, stage actors, singers, country singers, makers of music videos, etc.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
17. Probably not.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:44 AM
Jan 2015

I would read about it in the newspaper. But no, I wouldn't watch it on tv. If I were a scientist or doctor I probably would, because then I would have the wherewithal to understand what the hell they were talking about.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
18. Even reading the names of all winners and their accomplishments in papers would be an improvement,
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:47 AM
Jan 2015

or hearing them announced on TV.

"Who are you wearing" red carpet ceremonies would probably be a dud, too.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
19. Just because they are scientists
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:51 AM
Jan 2015

doesn't mean they don't know how to dress for a formal occasion.

I don't know that they would want any of this televised any way. Not everybody wants to be on tv.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
20. Never said they didn't know how to dress. Whether they know or care who designed their garb and
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:57 AM
Jan 2015

accessories is a different question.

Not everybody wants to be on tv.
Most people like recognition. Thought we had moved past TV, though.

The point of the OP is not so much about who specifically wants to be on TV or not as what our priorities are as society, what we, as a society seem to value, to recognize endlessly or not at all. Or, at least, what our media claims are our priorities as a society.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
22. the purpose of the award shows
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:25 AM
Jan 2015

is to sell more records or movies.

Not sure what the "Kennedy Center honors" are doing.

Then there's the "Presidential medal of freedom" which often goes to a celebrity or politician.

I see there are tons of them for music and film, althoug Yo Yo Ma has won one and Gene Simmons hasn't. Wait, he was born in Israel? I never knew that until just now. Okay, Tommy Shaw then.

And Friedrich von Hayek? Really? And who could be more deserving of a national honor than Strom Thurmond? Maybe they should give one to Jefferson Davis posthumously.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
12. Yes (except celebrities were hosting an award show for fellow celebrities when they they said it).
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:31 AM
Jan 2015

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
8. I read about them the next day
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:26 AM
Jan 2015

Do medical and scientific journals give out end of the year plaudits within their fields? There are also government grants if people are doing what is considered to be good work. So there are some awards for that.

The problem is that if i read about how someone has, say, made great strides in leukemia treatment i'm unlikely to have an opinion or even understand what is going on. On the other hand if someone says that, on the whole, American Sniper was a better movie than Selma, I definitely can have an opinion on that and discuss it as nausea (and I'm not the only one). So giving air time to award shows is good business.

It is a bit of a warped priority but I don't know how you change it.

Bryant

merrily

(45,251 posts)
13. I think my Reply 11 answers your question. I also don't know how we change priorities.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jan 2015

I am not even sure if it is our real priority or if media just claims it is. If media were to give brain surgeons the hype it gives celebrities, would we follow suit?

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
25. I am pretty sure brain surgeons get their due
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:30 AM
Jan 2015

I imagine if somebody was at an event and told people they were a brain surgeon that people would practically start genuflecting in awe. I would not put them in the category of unsung heroes.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
9. None. Most of the award winners are selected by morons.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:26 AM
Jan 2015

Remember when Braveheart won best picture? Yeah. No credibility.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
21. I don't watch any of them.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:55 AM
Jan 2015

I do read the accounts of Nobel Prize winners, though.

I don't really care if entertainers win awards. It just doesn't seem to matter one way or another, really. It's just not an issue for me. I'm not sure why it's an issue for anyone, really.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
26. I'm curious. What did you find in my post to LOL about?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jan 2015

It was a serious post, with a point to make. I was not being humorous, I think.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
24. So any form of entertainment is unacceptable until the world's problems are dealt with?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:30 AM
Jan 2015

Personally, I don't watch awards shows; neither do I watch Nobel prize awards.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
27. Never said anything remotely like that. Starting a post with "So" and purporting to reword are
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jan 2015

usually a clear signal that the poster is making up stuff, not merely rewording. Yours is no exception.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
29. Awards shows are nothing more than escapist entertainment and are treated as such...
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jan 2015

What is the link between "honoring" performances and honoring good works?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
31. I am not sure they are treated as such. And a more pointed question might be
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:53 AM
Jan 2015

What is the link between honoring entertainment industry performances lavishly and with mind numbing detail and repetition and not honoring more socially valuable (presumably) kinds of accomplishments much, if at all?

What are we working so hard to encourage and why? And why are we not working harder to encourage other things?

My OP simply pointed out something to consider and asked a question. If you don't think it should be considered, then, don't consider it.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
28. The entertainment business is a business which knows how to self promote, those awards shows
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:39 AM
Jan 2015

are made to do just that, promote the industry and the products of the industry. The shows get put on TV because they are full of entertainers and entertainments people want to see. The awards shows serve that industry in ways they would not serve other fields. Mass popularity is vital to entertainers and films, utterly worthless to research scientists. The personalities of the professionals involved in showbiz are major components of the product, that is not so with a vaccine or a bit of physics. Without attention, the lab work continues apace. Without attention, showbiz closes up shop.
Invent a new heart valve, you need others in your profession to know about it, not the people who will eventually pay to have one installed but those who will install it.
Make a movie, you need as many people on the planet to know about it as possible, so that enough of them might select your movie over others to allow you to make profit and then another movie. If movie people told only other movie people about their products, they'd fail.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
30. I don't know if mass popularity is utterly worthless to research scientists.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:46 AM
Jan 2015

Most humans like recognition for doing something spectacular in their respective fields.

I am not even sure the bulk of the award shows get high ratings. Those broadcast on major networks, maybe. The Oscars, definitely. All of them, though?

I don't question at all that show business endeavors benefit from attention.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
34. I mean professionally. Popularity is not their stock in trade, it is for entertainers.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 12:18 PM
Jan 2015

Anything that remains on TV gets ratings or it would be gone. That's also just business. It's possible to be a huge novelist and never give an interview or be photographed. It's possible to invent a vaccine while being a hermit. It is not possible to be a film actor who is invisible.
It's one of the few perks of that industry as an industry that others will pay attention to such things as awards because others feel ties to films and to performers and to music in ways that they simply do not feel for that guy who said that thing about string theory. Look at 'American Sniper'. Passionate feelings on both sides on that film. Like sports, there is a team aspect to these things, people see them as having meanings beyond the individual. That is the attraction for those who watch those shows, and that is inherently different in the arts than it is in other fields. People feel they as audience members are part of a film or a play, and they are correct to feel that way. They do not feel that way about some new medication that was developed which they take for their illness. Fact is, people take life saving drugs and never even ask who invented it. Why don't they start fan clubs for them? They could. But they don't. Perhaps they should.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
35. You made excellent points.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 12:21 PM
Jan 2015

Even professionally, I am not sure mass recognition is worthless, though.

If strides toward certain other endeavors were as widely recognized and lionized, it might well affect a number of professional things.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
32. PBS used to air the Nobel Prize ceremonies.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 12:07 PM
Jan 2015

Do they still do that?

Heard a commercial the other day that made me think in terms that would never happen. That is, instead of the typical "Win a trip to the Stupor Bowl!!1!" it would be "Win an all expenses-paid trip to Oslo for the Nobel Prize ceremonies! Meet Nobel Laureates! Royalty-class tuxedo and limousine service provided!" And so on

But, we live in a society that only wants to be entertained and not educated (much less even have the education needed to understand why each recipient of the Nobel prizes were picked.)

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
39. Yes we can :)
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jan 2015

Just to point out that those of us that would enjoy watching the Nobel Prize ceremonies are likely more educated than the masses preferring to watch some entertainment awards show

merrily

(45,251 posts)
42. With enough media hype, we might be able to be trained to have more interest than we current seem to
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jan 2015

have. Who knows? Brainwashing shows we can be a malleable species.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
47. You have to look at it from the media's side, though.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:40 PM
Jan 2015

Sports, movies, television, music, pundit-based "news". Those are all highly profitable forms of entertainment. Unless you're running a charter school or a private university, education isn't profitable, at least not from a media standpoint. That's why Discovery, The "Learning" Channel, the Science Channel, A&E, the History Channel, and any other cable network that would seem to be about educating the masses doesn't actually do that any more.

Entertainment sells. Education does not. Think about how long CPB and PBS have struggled over the years just to get viewer funding (nevermind government funding from people that do understand how powerful educational programming can be on the populace.)

So, some media mogul would have to create the kind of hype that would instill in the general populace that intelligence and education are good things. Considering the War On Smart People by the GOP, I don't see that happening any time soon...

forsaken mortal

(112 posts)
36. Would love
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jan 2015

to hear the speeches from the Nobel Prize winners being televised. I like the artwork of the prizes also, each diploma different and custom made for the winner. Would be interesting to hear the artists discuss why they designed them the way they did, etc.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
40. I forgot that the prizes were individually designed.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jan 2015

That would make for a good lead-in story before the ceremonies began. So long as they didn't get all sickly sweet and sappy like they do for the Olympics

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
38. I don't have a need to see rich people pat each other on the back.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:10 PM
Jan 2015

I don't care if they're black, white, green or blue.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
46. That could probably be made into a good country music song.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:37 PM
Jan 2015



I used to think that I had no use for country music. Then I started watching MSNBC, when Imus in the Morning was on, but MSNBC in general was starting to turn from all Republican to Democratic--Olberman, Maddow etc. I would not so much as watch Imus as that the TV would still be tuned to MSNBC when I woke up and turned on the TV.

Anyway, Imus in the Morning played some damned good country songs. Was so glad when MSNBC finally took him off, though.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
44. I'm of the mind that entertainment is considered... entertaining
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:28 PM
Jan 2015

I'm of the mind that entertainment is considered... entertaining, allowing us an opportunity to be entertained.

Though I don't consider 567 Nobel prizes to be rare, I'd certainly be frustrated to see them lower the bar to better achieve the 2,800+ of Oscars.

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