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TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:18 PM Jan 2015

Great Blizzard of 1888 - Photos

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Blizzard_of_1888

The Great Blizzard of 1888 or Great Blizzard of '88 (March 11 – March 14, 1888) was one of the most severe recorded blizzards in the history of the United States of America. Snowfalls of 20–60 inches (51–152 cm) fell in parts of New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, and Connecticut, and sustained winds of more than 45 miles per hour (72 km/h) produced snowdrifts in excess of 50 feet (15 m). Railroads were shut down and people were confined to their houses for up to a week.

The storm, referred to as the Great White Hurricane, paralyzed the East Coast from the Chesapeake Bay to Maine,[3] as well as the Atlantic provinces of Canada.[1] Telegraph infrastructure was disabled, isolating Montreal and most of the large northeastern U.S. cities from Washington, D.C. to Boston for days. Following the storm, New York began placing its telegraph and telephone infrastructure underground to prevent their destruction. From Chesapeake Bay through the New England area, more than 200 ships were either grounded or wrecked, resulting in the deaths of at least 100 seamen.[5]
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Impacts -

In New York, neither rail nor road transport was possible anywhere for days,[6] and drifts across the New York–New Haven rail line at Westport, Connecticut took eight days to clear; transportation gridlock as a result of the storm was partially responsible for the creation of the first underground subway system in the United States, which opened nine years later in Boston.[7] The New York Stock Exchange was closed for two days.[8]

Fire stations were immobilized, and property loss from fire alone was estimated at $25 million (equivalent to $656.2 million in 2015).[6] Severe flooding occurred after the storm due to melting snow, especially in the Brooklyn area, which was more susceptible to serious flooding due to its topography.[5] Efforts were made to push the snow into the Atlantic Ocean. More than 400 people died from the storm and the ensuing cold, including 200 in New York City alone.
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Now this should make those of us dealing with our current storm feel like it's nothing but a bitty little flurry.



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Great Blizzard of 1888 - Photos (Original Post) TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 OP
Wow Munificence Jan 2015 #1
And this was before snow plow trucks and snow blowers. lpbk2713 Jan 2015 #2
But they did have four-hoof drive. n/t Mr.Bill Jan 2015 #12
My grandmother told stories of people being saved by their dead horses... Surya Gayatri Jan 2015 #26
New York City was locked down for a week TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #25
Wow! 2naSalit Jan 2015 #3
I'm jealous!! SkyDaddy7 Jan 2015 #8
Cheeses! tosh Jan 2015 #4
You get me!!! dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #27
Ah, yes... tosh Jan 2015 #30
It was Horrible! dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #39
Was that an actual blizzard or a good snow? hootinholler Jan 2015 #50
thanks for this, Torch CatWoman Jan 2015 #5
you're very welcome TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #28
omg!! CatWoman Jan 2015 #42
it's just terrible to even imagine TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #53
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #6
The Winter of '88 was really one for the history books... Surya Gayatri Jan 2015 #7
The photo of the person standing on the truck Special Prosciuto Jan 2015 #15
Just took it from Google pics of "Children's Blizzard"-- Surya Gayatri Jan 2015 #24
Strangely, that picture of the train... MoonchildCA Jan 2015 #9
You misread that. Wikipedia gives the date 1881 for that train, not 1981. Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #13
No, I didn't misread it... MoonchildCA Jan 2015 #16
Sorry about that. Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #32
No problem. I should've proof read it. MoonchildCA Jan 2015 #45
The winter of 1880–1881 is widely considered the most severe winter ever known in the United States. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #55
that was my fault TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #17
I see. I only came across it because the story of the '88 blizzard reminded me of the book. MoonchildCA Jan 2015 #19
it's such a great image TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #36
Yes, technology is great for the most part, MoonchildCA Jan 2015 #46
And those years it probably happened with no notice. Renew Deal Jan 2015 #10
Actually, I just found out that there was no notice about this storm because TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #52
There's a place in northern Japan... gregcrawford Jan 2015 #11
Daily snow and weather reports from Niseko (Hokkaido), Japan Surya Gayatri Jan 2015 #14
Holy crap!!!! hifiguy Jan 2015 #21
Basically, anyplace along the northern Sea of Japan coast can get lots of snow Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #41
That is just mind blowing. smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #43
It does take a hardy breed to live there Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #47
YES! gregcrawford Jan 2015 #58
maybe in the Akita Prefecture? TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #38
I am currently reading George Rippey Stewart's "Storm" (1941). DemoTex Jan 2015 #18
Have you read The Big Burn? dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #31
Timothy Egan's "Big Burn" is excellent! DemoTex Jan 2015 #35
This one is especially sobering hifiguy Jan 2015 #20
fabulous photos! (i can just hear climate change deniers now though) 2banon Jan 2015 #23
Here's a pretty good slideshow of the worst winter storms PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #29
all those snowy power lines look like a bowl of pasta. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #33
That's nothing. Glassunion Jan 2015 #34
I know what you mean TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #40
Wow, hoping everyone is prepared (as can be) and safe!! etherealtruth Jan 2015 #37
Incredible photos! Thanks for sharing. smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #44
I know! And how dangerous they must have been! TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #51
Friends from Japan showed me locks Jan 2015 #48
lookig at pictures of snow and ice sculptures in Hokkaido right now TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #49
get out your shovels and 4 hoofed drives! Baclava Jan 2015 #54
OMG treestar Jan 2015 #56
Dawg! Cha Jan 2015 #57

lpbk2713

(42,759 posts)
2. And this was before snow plow trucks and snow blowers.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:25 PM
Jan 2015



It must have had a paralyzing effect across the entire Northeast.


 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
26. My grandmother told stories of people being saved by their dead horses...
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jan 2015

In some cases, the blowing snow built up in the horses' nostrils and suffocated them.

When their horses collapsed in the snowdrifts, some hardy plains people had the reflex to slit the horse bellies open and crawl inside.

There the people were rescued, saved by the warmth and shelter provided by the dead horse.

Tough times...

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
25. New York City was locked down for a week
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:27 PM
Jan 2015

with no communication in or out from the rest of the world since all the telegraph lines came down. And what a crazy amount of overhead lines there were with the telegraph, power lines and everything else that we can't even imagine since all that stuff is underground. Pretty cool that it was the biggest reason for implementing a subway system in big cities.

I just cannot fathom those people having to dig out of that with nothing but hand shovels! It's amazing that it only took days.

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
3. Wow!
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:33 PM
Jan 2015

Thanks for posting those.

Out here in the Rockies (at approx. 7,000ft) it gets like that sometimes. Not this winter yet, though. .. we're about 20ft short of the norm. But I like to live in a place where nature rules and if the weather closes down business for a spell, that's okay with me.

Hope everyone stays safe for the next week. This could take a bit of time to clean up afterward. There is some considerably warm temps coming behind this thing so it could turn into a flooding problem before all the plowing is finished.

tosh

(4,423 posts)
4. Cheeses!
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jan 2015


These amazing pics are a reminder of why some DUers remain in the south in spite of The Red Evil.

Stay warm and safe, all you Northeasterners!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
27. You get me!!!
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 05:07 PM
Jan 2015

I am so tired of hearing otherwise sane DU members slander the entire South, forgetting that we DO have Dems down here who need understanding and support!

and btw...we DID have a blizzard here. 2010..almost 3 inches of snow. Remained on the ground for 2 days and paralyzed the whole state!

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
50. Was that an actual blizzard or a good snow?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:54 PM
Jan 2015

A Blizzard needs snow with 35mph winds for 3 or more hours.

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
5. thanks for this, Torch
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jan 2015

complete awe here!!!!!!

my little sister is in Brooklyn and i'm posting this to her FB wall.

thanks again

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
22. you're very welcome
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jan 2015

I'd never heard of this event before except that I was looking for a novel by an author that normally puts in real events that happened at the time that the characters are caught up in (like the Johnstown flood I remember was in another book) since I hadn't read it in years and thought it would be a good one to read while I'm stuck out home for two days. Out of curiosity I looked it up and discovered that this blizzard was a real event, and the photos just blew me away. People actually went out in the storm to just go a couple of blocks or across the street, got stuck in a drift they couldn't get out of and died there. Horrible.

Response to TorchTheWitch (Reply #22)

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
53. it's just terrible to even imagine
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:38 PM
Jan 2015

I had just been saying in another post here...

No one had expected this at all. Temperatures had been rather mild with a lot of rain but they suddenly plummeted into the single digits in a matter of hours. People were out and about when the storm hit so violently and not at all dressed for such weather. Some people died in the street on the way from here to there just going a couple of blocks. I think most of those people died from exposure and exhaustion trying to fight their way through the storm and just couldn't go on anymore combined with disorientation as to where they were with the white out conditions. Others stepped into monstrous drifts they didn't know where there with the white out conditions and couldn't get themselves out. Last year I found out the hard way that just having one leg plunge into a drift nearly up to the crotch is DAMN hard to get out of. Thank goodness I didn't get both legs stuck or I wouldn't have been able to get out! It was such a struggle that one boot came off down at the bottom of the drift and I had to dig it out. It was terrifying.

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I'm still trying to find out more information about how many people were found dead in the snow. I'm trying to read photocopies of newspaper article at the time, but the copies are so bad or so small they're really hard to read. I did find a drawing of the extrication of one body (wealthy man George Baremore) from the snow on 7th street by accident though. Back then photography was still pretty young, and newspapers still used drawings instead of real photos. Interestingly though I also found it it was one of or the first time that amateur photographers took most of the photos of this event. Glancing at other drawings in newspapers they seem to tell the story of what happened to people on the streets during the storm pretty eloquently.



And I just found this, too...

http://history1800s.about.com/od/crimesanddisasters/ss/Great-Blizzard-Of-1888.htm

In the freezing and blinding conditions, it was estimated that 400 people died, including 200 in New York City. Many victims had become trapped in snowdrifts.

In one famous incident, reported on the front page of the New York Sun, a policeman who ventured out onto Seventh Avenue and 53rd Street saw the arm of a man protruding from a snowdrift. He managed to dig the well-dressed man out.

"The man was frozen dead and had evidently lain there for hours," the newspaper said. Identified as a wealthy businessman, George Baremore, the dead man had apparently been trying to walk to his office on Monday morning and collapsed while fighting the wind and snow.

A powerful New York politician, Roscoe Conkling, nearly died while walking up Broadway from Wall Street. At one point, according to a newspaper account, the former U.S. Senator and perennial Tammany Hall adversary became disoriented and stuck in a snowdrift. He managed to struggle to safety, but his health was so damaged that he died a month later.



 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
7. The Winter of '88 was really one for the history books...
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jan 2015

Last edited Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:24 PM - Edit history (1)

Schoolhouse Blizzard

This article is about the blizzard in the Great Plains of the United States. For the blizzard during the same year in the Eastern United States and Canada, see Great Blizzard of 1888.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoolhouse_Blizzard

The Schoolhouse Blizzard, also known as the Schoolchildren's Blizzard, School Children's Blizzard,[1] or Children's Blizzard,[2] hit the U.S. plains states on January 12, 1888. The blizzard came unexpectedly on a relatively warm day, and many people were caught unaware, including children in one-room schoolhouses.





The blizzard was preceded by a snowstorm on January 5 and 6, which dropped powdery snow on the northern and central plains, and was followed by an outbreak of brutally cold temperatures from January 7 to 11.

The weather prediction for the day was issued by the Weather Bureau, which at the time was managed by Adolphus Greely; it said: "A cold wave is indicated for Dakota and Nebraska tonight and tomorrow; the snow will drift heavily today and tomorrow in Dakota, Nebraska, Minnesota and Wisconsin."[1]

On January 11, a strengthening surface low dropped south-southeastward out of Alberta, Canada into central Montana and then into northeastern Colorado by the morning of January 12. The temperatures in advance of the low increased some 20–40 degrees in the central plains (for example, Omaha, Nebraska recorded a temperature of ?6 °F (?21 °C) at 7 a.m. on January 11, while the temperature had increased to 28 °F (?2 °C) by 7 a.m. on January 12). The strong surface low rapidly moved into southeastern Nebraska by 3 p.m. on January 12 and finally into southwestern Wisconsin by 11 p.m. that same day.

The blizzard was precipitated by the collision of an immense Arctic cold front with warm, moisture-laden air from the Gulf of Mexico. Within a few hours, the advancing cold front caused a temperature drop from a few degrees above freezing to ?20 degrees Fahrenheit (?40 °F/?40 °C in some places). This wave of cold was accompanied by high winds and heavy snow. The fast-moving storm first struck Montana in the early hours of January 12, swept through Dakota Territory from midmorning to early afternoon, and reached Lincoln, Nebraska at 3 p.m.
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My grandmother used to tell stories about her older brothers and sisters (recent immigrants to Nebraska) being caught in this white hell.



 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
24. Just took it from Google pics of "Children's Blizzard"--
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jan 2015

but obviously, it's from a later era. Thanks for catching that.

Here are some drawings and a photo that purport to be from the time:






MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
9. Strangely, that picture of the train...
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:46 PM
Jan 2015

Last edited Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:00 PM - Edit history (1)

...is the same one used for the Wikipedia entry for Laura Ingalls Wilder's novel, The Long Winter. The caption says that it's a train stuck in the snow in southern Minnesota on March 29, 1881.

I know, it's Wikipedia, so who knows...

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
13. You misread that. Wikipedia gives the date 1881 for that train, not 1981.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:41 PM
Jan 2015

Yes, it was a picture from the 1880-81 blizzard (subject of the LI Wilder book), not the '88 blizzard.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
16. No, I didn't misread it...
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:59 PM
Jan 2015

...that was a typo. I'm very aware that the Liitle House books take place in the 1800s....

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
45. No problem. I should've proof read it.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 08:58 PM
Jan 2015

That video just makes me really happy I live in Southern California.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
17. that was my fault
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:04 PM
Jan 2015

I got the photos from google. I forget sometimes that searching for photos can bring up stuff that's similar but not exactly what you're looking for. There's other photos from the '88 blizzard of trains but they're pretty grainy and in most the them the trains were on their sides since the winds were so strong and avalanching snow mountains tipped them over. There were also some other train photos of the long long lines of box cars filled with snow to ship it out of the city since there was just nowhere to put it all.


MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
19. I see. I only came across it because the story of the '88 blizzard reminded me of the book.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jan 2015

I googled the book to see if it was the same blizzard, and that's when I recognized the picture.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
36. it's such a great image
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 07:22 PM
Jan 2015

There's something so haunting and surreal about it. One of those rare photos you just can't stop staring at.

It's just incredible to think that they had to have dug all that snow out by hand since there wasn't anything at all like the high tech machinery we have in this modern world. It's fascinating in the same way as old European chathedrals... how they could have done that with primitive tools is just awe inspiring.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
46. Yes, technology is great for the most part,
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:04 PM
Jan 2015

...like snow-digging and the Internet and such.
But when it comes to architecture and things requiring craftsmanship, you can't beat old-school.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
52. Actually, I just found out that there was no notice about this storm because
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:14 PM
Jan 2015

the weather bureau closed in the evening on Saturdays, and the storm hit on Sunday.

I just found this article with an interesting video of an interview with a guy named Jim Murphy that wrote a book about the blizzard. According to Murphy it was actually two storms that hit the same area at the same time...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/remembering-storm-shut-york-city/story?id=28484263

No one had expected this at all. Temperatures had been rather mild with a lot of rain but they suddenly plummeted into the single digits in a matter of hours. People were out and about when the storm hit so violently and not at all dressed for such weather. Some people died in the street on the way from here to there just going a couple of blocks. I think most of those people died from exposure and exhaustion trying to fight their way through the storm and just couldn't go on anymore combined with disorientation as to where they were with the white out conditions. Others stepped into monstrous drifts they didn't know where there with the white out conditions and couldn't get themselves out. Last year I found out the hard way that just having one leg plunge into a drift nearly up to the crotch is DAMN hard to get out of. Thank goodness I didn't get both legs stuck or I wouldn't have been able to get out! It was such a struggle that one boot came off down at the bottom of the drift and I had to dig it out. It was terrifying.

Horse drawn trolleys were the only real transportation for the average person since pretty much only the well-to-do had their own horse and buggy with a stable hand to meet them at where ever they were since even the wealthy used public stables unless they were so wealthy that they had a big spread with their own stables. The trolleys came to a stand still almost immediately, and just like now most people in the city just walked from here to there unless it was a long hike.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
11. There's a place in northern Japan...
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:12 PM
Jan 2015

... that gets absolutely INSANE amounts of snow on a regular basis every winter. Monster snowblowers dig canyons through the snow. Wish I could remember the name of the place. Anyone out there recall seeing pix of this place?

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
14. Daily snow and weather reports from Niseko (Hokkaido), Japan
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:41 PM
Jan 2015

Japan's record snowfall still not the deepest ever

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/01/japan-record-snowfall-not-deepest-ever






?w=1000
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Now, that's some serious snowfall--and it happens regularly on Japan's most northerly island.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
41. Basically, anyplace along the northern Sea of Japan coast can get lots of snow
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 07:42 PM
Jan 2015

The most famous area for snow on Honshu Island is Niigata Prefecture, where it's not unusual for drifts to go up to 2nd story windows.



 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
43. That is just mind blowing.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jan 2015

I couldn't imagine having to live with that every year! It's incredible to look at though. The people who live there must be very resilient.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
47. It does take a hardy breed to live there
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:10 PM
Jan 2015

I took a car trip to Niigata one year and was surprised to find that in some places there were still some roads closed by snow in May.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
38. maybe in the Akita Prefecture?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 07:27 PM
Jan 2015

That's in northern Japan. Mountainous and unbearable winters.

I hope someone knows since I'd love to see photos of it.

DemoTex

(25,399 posts)
18. I am currently reading George Rippey Stewart's "Storm" (1941).
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:07 PM
Jan 2015

Very interesting read, especially for these troubled meteorological times. I finished Stewart's "Fire" last week.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
23. fabulous photos! (i can just hear climate change deniers now though)
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:15 PM
Jan 2015

these are stunning thanks for sharing.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
34. That's nothing.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 05:46 PM
Jan 2015

If I hear mass media correctly, this is the worst storm ever ever ever ever, EVAR!!!!! Well... At least since the last one. Those photos don't tell us anything. Folks were only about 7 inches tall back then. So the photos don't reflect the shitpocolypse that's heading our way!!!! OMGZ!!!! PANIKZ!!!!

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
40. I know what you mean
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jan 2015

We either get blindsided by a horrible storm no one figured out was coming or they make a huge deal out of one that's normal winter crap we normally get. Sunday afternoon the lying weather jerks were saying 2-4 inches over Monday and Tuesday. Sunday night it suddenly became 8-12 inches and starting Sunday night. Which of course didn't happen. It's now Monday night and we have about 1/8 of an inch of snow on the ground, and nothing is dropping out of the sky.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
44. Incredible photos! Thanks for sharing.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 08:44 PM
Jan 2015

The one with the power lines amazes me the most. How far we have come!

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
51. I know! And how dangerous they must have been!
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:07 PM
Jan 2015

Back then NYC was so crisscrossed with so many power/telegraph lines that it was like a giant spider web overhead all the time.



locks

(2,012 posts)
48. Friends from Japan showed me
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:12 PM
Jan 2015

pictures of the ice sculptures in Hokkaido. I thought ours in the Breckenridge world competition were great but the Japanese sculptures were full size buildings including cathedrals. Amazing.
Can't find my old pictures of Trail Ridge in Colorado opening in the spring but they're pretty amazing too, usually a tunnel with 17-20 feet of snow on both sides. Looks like a moonscape.

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