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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:15 PM Jan 2015

Black NYT Writer Criticizes Yale Police as Son Held at Gunpoint

By Chris Staiti Jan 26, 2015 10:03 AM ET

New York Times columnist Charles M. Blow criticized Yale University police for holding his son at gunpoint after mistaking him for a black burglary suspect.

Blow’s son, a third-year student at the Ivy League school in New Haven, Connecticut, was stopped Saturday evening after leaving the campus library, the writer said in an op-ed piece in the Times. The officer brandished a gun and made Blow’s son lie on the ground before asking for identification or telling him why he was being detained, Blow wrote.

“When I spoke to my son, he was shaken up. I, however, was fuming,” Blow wrote.

The incident shows that elite schools aren’t immune to allegations of overzealous police action in incidents involving race. Blacks and Latinos are more likely to be subject to traffic and pedestrian stops by police than are whites, according to the American Civil Liberties Union. Profiling of Muslim Americans has also increased since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Campus police responded to an emergency call at Yale’s Trumbull College after students reported a man entering dorm rooms pretending to look for someone, a ruse for past burglaries on campus, Yale said in a statement. Students described the suspect as a tall, African-American, college-aged student wearing a black jacket and a red and white hat.

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Black NYT Writer Criticizes Yale Police as Son Held at Gunpoint (Original Post) Purveyor Jan 2015 OP
i almost posted this story yesterday CatWoman Jan 2015 #1
Did he have a reason to unholster his weapon? exboyfil Jan 2015 #2
and I agree with you there CatWoman Jan 2015 #3
Indeed, and Charles Blow hadl no problem with his son being questioned . . . markpkessinger Jan 2015 #5
Yea it is ok if only a certain exboyfil Jan 2015 #6
Imagine . . . markpkessinger Jan 2015 #7
Holy Toledo! KamaAina Jan 2015 #4
horrible Liberal_in_LA Jan 2015 #8

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
1. i almost posted this story yesterday
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jan 2015

but thought better of it, because I was/am torn.

On the one hand, the police were doing their job .................

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
2. Did he have a reason to unholster his weapon?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:21 PM
Jan 2015

It was described as a burglary without a weapon involved. Stopping and questioning so long as he reasonably fits the description is ok. Putting him on the ground at gunpoint without evidence of a weapon is over the top.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
5. Indeed, and Charles Blow hadl no problem with his son being questioned . . .
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jan 2015

. . . as he wrote in his column:

Now, don’t get me wrong: If indeed my son matched the description of a suspect, I would have had no problem with him being questioned appropriately. School is his community, his home away from home, and he would have appreciated reasonable efforts to keep it safe. The stop is not the problem; the method of the stop is the problem.

Why was a gun drawn first? Why was he not immediately told why he was being detained? Why not ask for ID first?

What if my son had panicked under the stress, having never had a gun pointed at him before, and made what the officer considered a “suspicious” movement? Had I come close to losing him? Triggers cannot be unpulled. Bullets cannot be called back.


The question is, if the suspect in the burglary had been described as white, would the police officer have pulled a gun on the first white kid he encountered? Somehow, on the campus of Yale, I seriously doubt it.

Some folks commenting on Blow's article have defended police based on a 'what-if' scenario (i.e., what if it had been the suspect whom the officer stopped, and what if he had been armed, and what if the officer didn't draw his gun first and had gotten shot first). The problem with that rationale is that in theory it could be used to justify any police officer drawing a gun on any citizen under any circumstance, on the theory that such citizen might be armed and dangerous.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
6. Yea it is ok if only a certain
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:36 PM
Jan 2015

class without power to object is treated in such a fashion (sarcasm). I am sure such thefts have occurred in the past on campus. I wonder how many other times a weapon was drawn? Drawing a weapon should always trigger a report and a review. We review every "close call" in our manufacturing facilities. The very act of drawing a weapon places the "suspect" and bystanders at risk. It should be reviewed in the same fashion.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
7. Imagine . . .
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 05:03 PM
Jan 2015

. . . if a gun were drawn on the young scion of a well-heeled white family with a long line of Yale alumni-benefactors, merely because he matched a description. I think it is fair to say that heads would roll!

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
4. Holy Toledo!
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:49 PM
Jan 2015

Yale police never used to behave that way in my day (mid-'80s)! In fact, they were known to tip students off about upcoming drug raids by the New Haven PD.

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