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NYC DU'ers. Curious. What are the logistics of dealing with 2 ft of snow. (Original Post) alphafemale Jan 2015 OP
Sure they can blackcrow Jan 2015 #1
Ship it to Alabama, alpha!!! elleng Jan 2015 #2
I'll tell ya tomorrow. Smarmie Doofus Jan 2015 #3
Some streets take days to be plowed. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #4
If they have the bad luck to be labeled "tertiary" nt LiberalElite Jan 2015 #7
I forgot about those streets. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #9
it seems so does Sanitation nt LiberalElite Jan 2015 #11
This is a cool site. you should post itnin the NY room. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #15
I will! LiberalElite Jan 2015 #16
Pls. see page 9 - This is just for Manhattan but the plan's the same for the other 4 boroughs. LiberalElite Jan 2015 #5
Yeah. It was mostly Manhattan I was wondering about. alphafemale Jan 2015 #13
Good to know guys like that ! LiberalElite Jan 2015 #14
Could heated snow blowers even be a thing? alphafemale Jan 2015 #18
Not really. jeff47 Jan 2015 #31
What makes you think NYC is snow-removal expert? Panich52 Jan 2015 #6
We do pretty well considering we're not Buffalo nt LiberalElite Jan 2015 #12
I got no idea what happens in NY, but Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #8
yea, good question. SummerSnow Jan 2015 #10
WHAT??!! Wait? How? alphafemale Jan 2015 #17
I would take a bucket-full at a time and flush it down the toilet. patricia92243 Jan 2015 #19
OMG! nt alphafemale Jan 2015 #20
inthe storm of 78, they used half the sidewalk to hold the snow from the other part of hollysmom Jan 2015 #26
I know high school sports fields are dumping grounds for snow in my area tabbycat31 Jan 2015 #21
You'd be surprised what 8 million people pissing can do. rug Jan 2015 #22
snicker alphafemale Jan 2015 #33
I remember the "curb moats" after the snowbanks started to melt in to smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #23
Eventually they go around with dump trucks and front end loaders davepc Jan 2015 #24
Don't eat the yellow stuff. randome Jan 2015 #25
Ask Michael Bilandic. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #27
If New York was a bagger state streets would be filled with bread so kairos12 Jan 2015 #28
They could use bread bags for skiing too! flamingdem Jan 2015 #32
I'll explain it Depaysement Jan 2015 #29
And A Good Source Of Heart Attacks... WillyT Jan 2015 #30
okay, you can shovel me out blackcrow Jan 2015 #34
I seem to remember snow mounds lasting well into March after the Blizzard of '78. alphafemale Jan 2015 #35
Historically, they plow and then dump it in huge piles on the curb. Dorian Gray Jan 2015 #36
 

blackcrow

(156 posts)
1. Sure they can
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:42 PM
Jan 2015

and into just shoveled driveways. As long as it's out of the street, the town is happy.

They then issue tickets to homeowners for not having cleared the sidewalks in front of their houses.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
3. I'll tell ya tomorrow.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:44 PM
Jan 2015

My personal logistics are... and probably will be for 48 hrs.... laying on my back w. this laptop for extended periods, interspersed w. occasional dog walks into the great white way.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
11. it seems so does Sanitation nt
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:53 PM
Jan 2015

Once during a snowstorm, I recall watching the trucks go past a couple of side streets by me that hadn't been plowed in hours. (I'm on a relatively high floor.) I was thinking, no, turn right, turn right! You can track the street plowing on line, you know. See: http://maps.nyc.gov/snow/

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
13. Yeah. It was mostly Manhattan I was wondering about.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jan 2015

Neighborhoods with driveways would be no different than other neighborhoods with driveways.

btw I lived in the country and out driveway was unpaved and a few hundred yards long.

But my dad knew several guys on the road crew and they would plow and cinder our driveway when the storm was really bad.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
31. Not really.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:57 PM
Jan 2015

In order to melt the snow as fast as a snow blower picked it up, you'd need an enormous source of heat. Which really isn't practical to put into a snow blower.

Also, you have to deal with all the water. You can't just dump onto the ground or you get ice, but you're moving so you can't direct it to a safe location via hoses or similar.

What some places will do is attempt to move as much snow as they can into a few spots, and then use a snow melter like this:



The loader scoops up the snow, dumps it into the melter, and then the melter turns it into water, which is directed to the storm drains.

Only really works if the area is laid out for it to work well - you need places to gather the snow, straight roads to gather it from, but are not so long that you get too much snow to push to the melter. And you need storm drains (or a nearby river) that don't freeze.

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
6. What makes you think NYC is snow-removal expert?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:46 PM
Jan 2015

You're going to get a better answer from folks in Erie, PA (Golden Snowglobe winner: http://goldensnowglobe.com/tag/erie-pa-snowfall/ ) or Buffalo, NY. Or several places in mid-west, ND...

Or did you want to know how a city that doesn't usually get deep snow deals with it...?

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
8. I got no idea what happens in NY, but
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:46 PM
Jan 2015

I live in country that can get pretty heavy snow cover. They pretty much plow it where they can & use front end loaders to load the snow into dump trucks to be carted to open places to be dumped.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
10. yea, good question.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:49 PM
Jan 2015

Its the law to shovel your snow in front of your residence and your business if you are the owner. If you don't you will be fined. if you shovel it in the streets you will be fined , if you shovel it in front of your neighbors yard , you'll be fined and might get a black eye.And you cant shovel it anyplace on the sidewalk. So yes, how do you get rid of all of that snow? Oh yea and the city snowplows always push the snow on the sidewalks ---NYC DU'er

Sidewalk Safety

Whether you're the owner, tenant, occupant or the person in charge of any lot or building, you must clear the snow and/or ice from your sidewalk within four (4) hours after the snow has stopped falling, or by 11 a.m. if the snow stopped falling after 9 p.m. the night before.

If the snow becomes frozen and too hard to remove, you may spread clean, unused cat litter, salt, sand, sawdust or another similarly suitable material within the same time limits.

As you clear your sidewalk, keep in mind: YOU MUST NOT THROW SNOW INTO THE STREET. It's against the law, and it forces Sanitation to re-plow your street. Also, you should never cover fire hydrants with snow - this could interfere with firefighting efforts.

The bottom line is sidewalks must be thoroughly cleaned as soon as the weather permits.
Failure to comply with the law may result in fines ranging from $100 to $350.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dsny/html/about/column_feb08.shtml

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
17. WHAT??!! Wait? How?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 07:03 PM
Jan 2015

I'm guessing minimum of twenty feet frontage. Also guessing 8 ft wide sidewalk on average? 20x8x2 320 cubic feet of snow.

Before the plow!

What do they expect you to do?

Eat it?

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
26. inthe storm of 78, they used half the sidewalk to hold the snow from the other part of
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:39 PM
Jan 2015

the sidewalk, there was nothing else to do with it. after 2 over 2 foot snowfalls in a row, we ended up walking next walls of 6 feet of snow. it did not warm up for weeks. My landlord could not shove the snow on the stairs high enough, so he tunneld the snow and we had to walk bent over to get through the giant snow arch.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
21. I know high school sports fields are dumping grounds for snow in my area
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 08:45 PM
Jan 2015

I seriously wish there was a way that we could send the plowed snow to a place like CA that needs the water badly.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
23. I remember the "curb moats" after the snowbanks started to melt in to
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:06 PM
Jan 2015

the streets. They were these very deep, very wide puddles at every corner of melting slush and if you didn't have a good pair of high wellingtons, you were pretty much out of luck. There were times when I didn't think ahead and came home soaking wet from having to walk through a massive curb moat in regular shoes. There was almost no way to avoid them as they were at almost every intersection. The subways were a mess from the melting snow as well. I am in Boston now and it doesn't seem to be as bad here for some reason.

davepc

(3,936 posts)
24. Eventually they go around with dump trucks and front end loaders
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:12 PM
Jan 2015

And wind up dumping the snow into the East River.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
25. Don't eat the yellow stuff.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jan 2015

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Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
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kairos12

(12,862 posts)
28. If New York was a bagger state streets would be filled with bread so
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:47 PM
Jan 2015

bread bags could be used as snow shoes.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
29. I'll explain it
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:47 PM
Jan 2015

Mounds of snow on the grass 5-6 feet tall. The sidewalk becomes a little path. The plows move the snow into the cars in the parking lanes, not the sidewalk. The car owners get the pleasure of digging out. Same thing happens in every big storm, 1996, 2010 all of them. Shoveling is good exercise.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
35. I seem to remember snow mounds lasting well into March after the Blizzard of '78.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:01 AM
Jan 2015

But there were areas to mound snow.

Manhattan just seems unique to me as having very few open spaces to shove snow into.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
36. Historically, they plow and then dump it in huge piles on the curb.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:53 AM
Jan 2015

luckily there is no need for that today. DUD!

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