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Anybody got any ideas about why hydrocodone is still available for medical use in the US, but not in (Original Post) raccoon Jan 2015 OP
Yes. If the US admitted to the need to reschedule any drug, they'd have to admit they might be Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #1
Just a guess: NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #2
I've always wondered how many fatal "overdoses" Mariana Jan 2015 #8
Nope. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #12
What do you recommend for us chronic madokie Jan 2015 #3
when my body produces a kidney stone, hydrocodone is my best friend spanone Jan 2015 #4
I agree altho I only take it for bad, bad pain. CTyankee Jan 2015 #5
Thats why we've tried everything under the sun that might work madokie Jan 2015 #13
Someone close to me recently died from hydrocodone overdose. raccoon Jan 2015 #7
Worse day of my life madokie Jan 2015 #11
Have you tried a fentanyl patch? w8liftinglady Jan 2015 #9
Its about the only thing we haven't tried madokie Jan 2015 #10
This is from the Oxford Journal Annals of Oncology etherealtruth Jan 2015 #6
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
1. Yes. If the US admitted to the need to reschedule any drug, they'd have to admit they might be
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 09:50 AM
Jan 2015

wrong about other items as well. US officials are ultra committed to the harmful and stupid idea that cannabis must be listed as more harmful than Hydrocodone. Their entire policy is based on money and prejudices and as the hearing for the new AG prove yet again, science, medical need and the laws established by an informed public mean nothing to them at all.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
2. Just a guess:
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 09:52 AM
Jan 2015

European physicians are reluctant to prescribe medications containing acetaminophen, and hydrocodone is usually prescribed in combination with that. The Europeans are way more concerned, by and large, with liver damage caused by acetaminophen than Americans are.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
8. I've always wondered how many fatal "overdoses"
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:13 PM
Jan 2015

of drugs like Vicodin are actually caused by acetominophen toxicity, and not from overdose of the narcotic.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
12. Nope.
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 06:06 PM
Jan 2015

Paracetamol (international name, aka "acetaminophen&quot is a commonly prescribed pain reliever in Europe and is commonly prescribed in combination with codeine and dihydrocodeine here in the UK (and also available OTC in tablets of 8mg codeine/500mg paracetamol or 7.46mg dihydrocodeine/500mg paracetamol).

The issue is that hydrocodone has never been approved for medical use in most European countries, or has been withdrawn from prescription.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
3. What do you recommend for us chronic
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 09:53 AM
Jan 2015

pain sufferers.

I've tried 'm all and to me it is the best with the least side effects of anything we've, my doctor and I, have tried.

A while back one of my older brothers fell and broke his hip. Rreplace hip and doing fine except he is in a lot of pain. One day 4 of us brothers were talking and I asked my brother why he didn't take the pain meds, Hydrocodone, that his doctor prescribed and he said he didn't want to get hooked on them. I said I've been on hydrocodone for going on 10 years and yes if i was to just stop taking them I'd have a few days of hell but what I'm wanting to get at is. All three of my brothers that were there looked at me in amazement, not a one of them had any inkling that I was taking pain meds every day and had been for so long and probably will until I croak, no clue did they have. I have no desire to take more than whats prescribed because I really don't like how that makes me feel. Its been so long now that I feel no and I mean NO high from taking these pills.
So I ask you again, What the hell would you like me to do, live in pain?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
5. I agree altho I only take it for bad, bad pain.
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jan 2015

And no, I don't get high either but I guess some people do.

Does your doctor give you any flak for taking it so regularly? I had some major surgery and my doc refused to let me get a refill after a certain amount of time. She said I had been "addicted" to it and she felt she needed to wean me off of it. I told her I had never been addicted to anything. I quit a 20 year smoking habit with no withdrawal symptoms at all.

My opinion is that some people are prone to addiction and others are not and it has nothing to do with "character" or virtue. It just is.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
13. Thats why we've tried everything under the sun that might work
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 06:08 PM
Jan 2015

Same with the smoking and the drinking for me. Once I made up my mind I was going to quit both was easy. I was surprised at how easy it was for me to quit both of them.

raccoon

(31,118 posts)
7. Someone close to me recently died from hydrocodone overdose.
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 04:01 PM
Jan 2015

Why she was prescribed it, I don't know. I heard back pain but she hadn't had a back injury.

I get where you're coming from. Some on DU talk about how SSRI's cause people to do all kinds of crazy things. IME, I've known many people who have really been helped by SSRI's.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
11. Worse day of my life
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 06:04 PM
Jan 2015

was when my doctor prescribed paxil to me. I don't have depression, rather I have a problem with anxiety and have all my life. Anyway I'm glad that I had the good sense to only take one half tablet of the paxil because it was a living hell for me for about three days. The next time I seen my doctor, which was only a few days later, I said to him if you ever give me something like that again I'll choke you within a second of your life. I was pissed. Now my records state I'm allergic to ssri's. The va want to fill you up with pills and I'm sure any vets reading this will agree with me or at least many will.

Edit to add: I'm sorry for your loss and wish they could screen out the potential abusers better than they can

I also agree with the person who wondered how many of those od's were due to the Tylenol in the pain meds rather than the hydrocodone.

w8liftinglady

(23,278 posts)
9. Have you tried a fentanyl patch?
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 05:53 PM
Jan 2015

You wear it, it is slow release of very strong pain medicine around the clock. Patients I have had with chronic pain loved it...they could still function

madokie

(51,076 posts)
10. Its about the only thing we haven't tried
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 05:58 PM
Jan 2015

I learned long ago that I don't want to make any suggestions to the doctor concerning pain meds cause that sends up red flags.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
6. This is from the Oxford Journal Annals of Oncology
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jan 2015
http://annonc.oxfordjournals.org/content/21/3/615.

Formulary availability and regulatory barriers to accessibility of opioids for cancer Pain in Europe: a report from the ESMO/EAPC Opioid Policy Initiative

Opioid analgesics are critical to the effective relief of cancer pain. Effective treatment is predicated on sound assessments, individually tailored analgesic therapy and the availability and accessibility of the required medications. In some countries, pain relief is hampered by lack of availability or barriers to accessibility of opioid analgesics. In many countries, excessively zealous or poorly considered laws and regulations to restrict the diversion of medicinal opioids into illicit markets profoundly interfere with the medical availability of opioids for the relief of pain. Often, the logistics of the treatment of pain with opioids is so burdensome or complex for physicians, nurses and pharmacists as to be a major disincentive to involvement.


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