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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 03:00 PM Jan 2015

The Rude Pundit - According to the NRA, We're Screwed...Right Now



That ominous image up there is the cover of this month's NRA magazine. The magazine is called America's First Freedom, which, if it's referring to owning guns, is just wrong because of the word "second" in the Second Amendment. The article is "The Most Dangerous 700 Days America Has Ever Faced."

You might think, "Well, surely that's referring to a period of time right after we declared independence and fought the Revolutionary War." Or perhaps, "Oh, of course, it's an article about the most violent part of the Civil War." Or "Indeed, the time right after Pearl Harbor was quite trying for our nation." Maybe even "Gosh, I knew things were bad after 9/11, but I didn't realize it was the most dangerous time." Yes, yes, you might try each of those, but, fuck you, you unarmed traitor. That shit is happening now.

Those 700 days (give or take) encompass the last two years of President Barack Obama's term in office post-2014 midterms. Let the motherfucker with the combover of doom, Wayne LaPierre, lay it on the line for you: "If Obama and his allies succeed in their 'transformation' over the next two years, the America we know and love may cease to exist." Why? Because he's gonna take away the guns. The guns, goddamnit. Obama's coming after them, even though, as LaPierre admits, in the last six years, "the Second Amendment is the only freedom that has expanded while others have retreated."

Don't you get it? Obama's been playing the long game. He put on hold all his devious machinations to walk into your home and rip the rifle from you cold, dead hand. Sure, he's never actually talked about doing that or done anything at all other than suggest a few minor regulations that wouldn't affect the vast majority of gun owners. And, even though the NRA was sure that, right after his reelection, Obama was going to unleash the goons, no goons have appeared. But, one supposes, he was waiting until after he lost huge in the midterms. He has no more elections to worry about, they say. So, fuck it, let's get the gun melter going 24/7.

Of course, the whole thing is just a ploy to get you to send more hard-earned money to the NRA (motto: "LaPierre's Rogaine expenses are driving us into the ground&quot . It even gives you a pat on the back, faithful NRA members: "In the end, we're the only ones on which freedom can truly count." Which, if you think about the implications of the sentence, is a pretty fuckin' scary thing to say.

"Over the next 700 days, Barack Obama and his gun-hating, freedom-fearing, big-government allies can make profound, toxic, and permanent changes to our country," LaPierre concludes with absolutely no evidence at all (seriously, there's not one fact against Obama in the entire article).

But give the NRA your cash, you dumb yokels, you credulous hicks. It's not like you will actually take a few minutes to see who the liars are.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2015/01/according-to-nra-were-screwedright-now.html
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The Rude Pundit - According to the NRA, We're Screwed...Right Now (Original Post) meegbear Jan 2015 OP
NRA is a terrorist organization NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #1
Are there still any lingering NRA apologists posting here on DU? villager Jan 2015 #2
Don't worry - they will show up in droves after next mass killing of innocents screaming srican69 Jan 2015 #3
True enough. Before the blood even congeals, they'll be snickering over the difference between villager Jan 2015 #4
they get more upset over penis analogies than they do over slaughtered children Skittles Jan 2015 #6
By my count, three who consistently imply a defense of the NRA LanternWaste Jan 2015 #7
Here's a post from one of our resident gungeoneers on this subject Electric Monk Jan 2015 #34
Wow -- their usual misdirection, non-answer, and the condescending use of "your sort," to boot! villager Jan 2015 #35
Seems you hate and fear "the other" just as much as the NRA does friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #38
Seems you're engaging in your usual bit of "friendly" conflation! villager Feb 2015 #45
Noting a similarity of approaches between two groups is comparison, not conflation friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #46
Actually, you're conflating all gun control proponents with, specifically the NRA. Thus "otherizing" villager Feb 2015 #47
I have a couple of hundred reasons for lumping gun control proponents together,... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #48
Seems my interlocutor has nothing to say after I posted my examples... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #49
Ah, yes. *You* of course, have your reasons. Only "others" do the "otherizing." villager Feb 2015 #50
I see no difference between the NRA's fearmongering, 'otherizing', cheap appeals to emotion,... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #39
Peter Gabriel grokked the mindset of both the NRA and their loudest critics... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #41
they pander to paranoid idiots Skittles Jan 2015 #5
You know, I think the most hilarious think about the NRA types jeff47 Jan 2015 #8
HA! Can't fix TEH STUPID. Bet that never crossed their minds. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2015 #10
here's one for ya, if you missed it. safeinOhio Jan 2015 #15
"Some poor lady". beevul Feb 2015 #42
Don't turn a blind eye to safeinOhio Feb 2015 #43
"I try to keep both eyes open." beevul Feb 2015 #44
Find the list? I have no doubt the NRA would hand it over to anyone willing to pay the price. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2015 #18
more than likely they've already hacked the list...and those have been added ileus Jan 2015 #37
The magazine makes money by selling ads to gun/gun accessory manufacturers. benz380 Jan 2015 #9
Stochastic terrorism. Scuba Jan 2015 #21
If their worst nightmares came true, I'd probably sleep a whole lot better at night. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #11
America's Sixth Freedom wouldn't be as dramatic. tclambert Jan 2015 #12
"LaPierre's Rogaine expenses are driving us into the ground" Marie Marie Jan 2015 #13
But people come on DU and insist that the NRA isn't just a shell conservative organization Johonny Jan 2015 #14
.... Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #16
Brilliant! R&K nt longship Jan 2015 #28
Yet somehow they have ads at DU...still not sure how that happens....buy a Star, all gone. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #17
They're google ads. The more a person uses select words the greater likelihood Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #20
It's seems also to be about the content of the page, along with the user's history petronius Jan 2015 #29
I don't mean to imply that the NRA's membership LibertyLover Jan 2015 #19
The notion of gun bans actually happening is delusional hack89 Jan 2015 #31
Just as end-of-the-world prophets never lose the faith of their followers. Go figure. nt tblue37 Jan 2015 #40
same thing you get with "Soldier of Fortune" magazine: constant stories drumming MisterP Jan 2015 #22
This is the gist of the entire billh58 Jan 2015 #23
Cross-posted to the RKBA & GCRA Groups, for if/when this thread is locked in GD Electric Monk Jan 2015 #24
People suffering from paranoid schizophrenia this severe hifiguy Jan 2015 #25
OMG is there some way some how that I could contribute money to stop this from happening???? underpants Jan 2015 #26
NRA is fucking paranoid nuts! TRoN33 Jan 2015 #27
Obama and Congressional Dems have been really good to gun owners hack89 Jan 2015 #30
It's just a ploy to spur weapon/ammo production sales and membership Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #52
NRA = WND JaneyVee Jan 2015 #32
World News Daily? Nt hack89 Jan 2015 #33
Let's not get carried away... ileus Jan 2015 #36
Poor NRA... Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #51
they are a dangerous organization. spanone Feb 2015 #53

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
1. NRA is a terrorist organization
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 03:02 PM
Jan 2015

And they lie like nobody ever before, maybe televangelists, to raise money

Pure, disgusting, puke ...

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
2. Are there still any lingering NRA apologists posting here on DU?
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 03:08 PM
Jan 2015

It was quite hilarious to see the rhetorical cartwheels they'd turn in explaining how by supporting a clearly rightwing political organization, they weren't, you know, actually supporting a clearly rightwing political organization.

srican69

(1,426 posts)
3. Don't worry - they will show up in droves after next mass killing of innocents screaming
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 03:11 PM
Jan 2015

"From my cold dead hands"

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
4. True enough. Before the blood even congeals, they'll be snickering over the difference between
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 03:18 PM
Jan 2015

"semi-automatic" and "automatic," if anyone makes the slightest rhetorical stumble while talking about the latest group of dead victims.

That, or snickering more if anyone should misstate the measurements or millimeters of the ammo used....

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
7. By my count, three who consistently imply a defense of the NRA
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 03:30 PM
Jan 2015

By my count, three who consistently imply a defense of the NRA without directly stating as much.

One of whom often uses the ploy of suggesting that any criticism of the organization is a result of fearing it; and on more than one occasion, directly defended the NRA's lobbying efforts to prevent the CDC from researching gun violence after the agency validated an independent study which itself, invalidated certain branding aspects the NRA holds as sacrosanct.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
34. Here's a post from one of our resident gungeoneers on this subject
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:41 AM
Jan 2015

in a post replying to one of my posts (where the phrase "think of the children" was not used) in a subthread there...

When you can't win via logic, invoke "Lovejoy's Law"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

Authors John Meany and Kate Shuster wrote in their 2002 book Art, Argument, and Advocacy: Mastering Parliamentary Debate that usage of the phrase "Think of the children" in debate was a type of logical fallacy. They identified this as a form of an appeal to emotion. The authors explained that the debater will utilize the phrase in an effort to emotionally sway members of the listening public instead of engaging in logical discussion. Meany and Shuster gave as an example: "I know this national missile defense plan has its detractors, but won’t someone please think of the children?" The assessment that use of the exhortation: "Think of the children" is a type of appeal to emotion was echoed by Margie Borschke in an article for the journal, Media International Australia incorporating Culture and Policy. Borschke went on to call this methodology a tactic of rhetoric.

Ethicist Jack Marshall described "Think of the children!" as a tactic used in an attempt to cease back-and-forth discussion by invoking a powerful argument. According to Marshall, the strategy proved useful due to its success at stopping individuals from engaging in rationality and reason. He called this plan an unethical manner of obfuscating debate by misdirecting empathy towards another source which may not have been the focus of the original argument. He wrote that usage of the phrase had positive intent but had a tendency to become irrational when used repeatedly by both sides in a dispute. Marshall concluded that referring to the phrase had the impact of manipulating a simple act of following regulations into a confusing ethical quandary. He cautioned that society should not fall into the mindset that citing "Think of the children!" had the ability to upstage all other morals and standards in civilization....

...Cory Doctorow wrote in a 2011 article for Make magazine that the phrase "Won’t someone think of the children?!" was used by irrational individuals to support arguments about the dangers to youth of four types of groups on the Internet. These four groups, collectively referred to as "Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse" included: "pirates", terrorists, organized crime, and child pornographers. He wrote that use of the phrase in such a manner was done with the intent of gagging additional discussion on the merits of the underlying issues and stopping rational analysis. Doctorow observed that these tactics were often used during the burgeoning period when society was determining the proper approach to legal aspects of computing.


And since your sort are fond of employing cartoons in discussions like these:



Classy, like always
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
35. Wow -- their usual misdirection, non-answer, and the condescending use of "your sort," to boot!
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:49 AM
Jan 2015

A perfect apologist post!

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
38. Seems you hate and fear "the other" just as much as the NRA does
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 04:50 PM
Jan 2015

That is part of the reason (aside from their obvious shilling for the GOP), I despise
them as much as I despise dishonest gun prohibtionists...

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
45. Seems you're engaging in your usual bit of "friendly" conflation!
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:25 PM
Feb 2015

No surprises there -- but glad to here you're halfway toward sanity!

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
46. Noting a similarity of approaches between two groups is comparison, not conflation
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 06:12 PM
Feb 2015

One that speaks poorly of both camps, regardless of how loudly the members of one
or the other proclaim their moral superiority...

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
47. Actually, you're conflating all gun control proponents with, specifically the NRA. Thus "otherizing"
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 06:13 PM
Feb 2015

...in the same manner you claim to be against.

When it suits you.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
48. I have a couple of hundred reasons for lumping gun control proponents together,...
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 06:38 PM
Feb 2015

...all provided by fellow DUers.

The disinterested reader will find plenty of fear, hatred and otherizing for their perusal
at the following link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=19281

Just looking for input.

Last edited Tue Oct 2, 2012,
What are your nominations for words or phrases used by the pro-control side?

I'll start this off with one of my favorites: "...Awash in guns."


Then, there's the ever-popular reposts of cartoons, most of which are noted approvingly:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022188101

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1262421

And we can't forget many, many of the posts in the gun control safe haven:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262


Forgive me for not finding your ire very compelling...






jeff47

(26,549 posts)
8. You know, I think the most hilarious think about the NRA types
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 03:33 PM
Jan 2015

Is that one of their great fears is gun registration. Because some future evil government will use those registration lists to go seize everyone's guns.

And so they join the NRA. Providing a convenient list of people who have guns. As if that future evil government won't be able to find the NRA's membership list, and use that to go seize everyone's guns.

safeinOhio

(32,714 posts)
15. here's one for ya, if you missed it.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=160038

Seems the "grabbers" are just out to make a buck and what they really, really, want to do is go after the holy grail of registration.

The say how some poor lady is really more evil than Ted Nugent.
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
42. "Some poor lady".
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 12:10 AM
Feb 2015

The things one must turn a blind eye to, to utter such utterances.

Lets have a look at them:

Mrs Monsanto:

Troughton also served as director of Public and Corporate Affairs for Monsanto Company in St. Louis where she led external initiatives designed to generate positive, proactive media coverage of the company's agriculture biotechnology products.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/launch-of-new-public-relations-agency-voxpop-public-relations-llc-shannon-troughton-named-40-under-40-by-pr-week-65339842.html



Mrs. Second amendment:

Here she is claiming that "you know first of all, were not anti-gun, we support the second amendment...":



Yet their actions just don't match the words coming out of her lying mouth:

"Moms Demand Action Deeply Disappointed in Federal Judge’s Decision Overturning Chicago’s Citywide Ban on Gun Dealerships"

http://momsdemandaction.org/in-the-news/moms-demand-action-deeply-disappointed-federal-judges-decision-overturning-chicagos-citywide-ban-gun-dealerships/


And lets not forget, last but not least, that her org along with the brady bunch and VPC attempted to suppress a fundraiser for Democrats:

Almost a year ago, in the aftermath of the shootings in Newtown, Conn., a number of entertainment industry activists decried a vote that prevented the Senate from moving forward background check legislation. Some vowed to withhold support from Democrats who voted “No,” including Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska) and Sen. Mark Pryor (D-Ark.), both of whom are in the midst of tough reelection races...


...In a letter sent to Cindy Horn on Wednesday afternoon, the groups urged her to cancel the fundraiser, or, in the alternative, that they instead raise funds for Senate candidates in tough races who voted for the background checks, including Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.), Sen. Kay Hagan (D-N.C.), Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) and Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.).

The groups, including Women Against Gun Violence, the California Chapters of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the Violence Prevention Coalition and Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, wrote to Horn that “when Senators from far-flung places come to California to fuel their campaigns, we hope that you will remind them that you’re not their personal ATM. You have a right to ask why they deserve their support...

...The groups asked in their letter, ”Is ‘Democrat’ merely a box on a ballot, to be checked at any cost?”

http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/gun-control-groups-urge-cancellation-of-hollywood-fundraiser-for-mark-begich-and-mark-pryor-1201141065/


The poor poor dear.

safeinOhio

(32,714 posts)
43. Don't turn a blind eye to
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 07:38 AM
Feb 2015

the Rude Pundit's story on the NRA, unless you want to comment on the story's view President.
Perhaps she might be as guilty as the NRA is to be a whore to the fire arms industry. Me, I see little difference and can't condemn one with out the other. I try to keep both eyes open.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
44. "I try to keep both eyes open."
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 01:10 PM
Feb 2015

Nobody who is successful at "keeping both eyes open", would call Shannon watts "some poor lady", after everything that's been posted about her and her groups actions.


"Me, I see little difference and can't condemn one with out the other."

Yeah, you can't condemn one without the other to such a degree that you characterized her as "some poor lady.

Those are not the actions of someone that "tries to keep both eyes open", but of an ideologue.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
37. more than likely they've already hacked the list...and those have been added
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 08:12 AM
Jan 2015

to the suspected domestic terrorist list.

For all we know they've been flagged 100's or thousands of times already for ammo/gun/magazine ect...purchases. If only they'd known to pay with cash while wearing a hat.

benz380

(534 posts)
9. The magazine makes money by selling ads to gun/gun accessory manufacturers.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jan 2015

Putting Obama's picture on the front puts these gun owners in a panic. More panic sells more guns.
More guns sold means more ads.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
11. If their worst nightmares came true, I'd probably sleep a whole lot better at night.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 03:56 PM
Jan 2015

"If Obama and his allies succeed in their 'transformation' over the next two years, the America we know and love may cease to exist."

And we'd all be better off. Too bad it's unrealistic.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
12. America's Sixth Freedom wouldn't be as dramatic.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 04:26 PM
Jan 2015

How is it they want us to prepare for the 700 most dangerous days America has ever faced? Would it perchance involve buying more guns? I'm just guessing.

Johonny

(20,880 posts)
14. But people come on DU and insist that the NRA isn't just a shell conservative organization
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jan 2015

that has little to no interest in gun owners freedom, safety or apparently sanity.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
17. Yet somehow they have ads at DU...still not sure how that happens....buy a Star, all gone.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 04:41 PM
Jan 2015

Maybe any kind of traffic, even internal, to the local gunner group triggers the ads?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
20. They're google ads. The more a person uses select words the greater likelihood
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jan 2015

ads with those keywords will appear in the space reserved for the ads. The sponsor doesn't pick the site, the internet user's cache picks the sponsor.

petronius

(26,603 posts)
29. It's seems also to be about the content of the page, along with the user's history
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 06:58 PM
Jan 2015

For example, I just switched browsers and clicked around DU: on this thread (but not elsewhere) I got NRA ads; on a thread from Huff Post I got a Post Office ad; on a thread about Pat Robertson I got religion-focused ads.

Of course, that was the first time I've used that browser since clearing everything, and only at this site, so there was no history in my cookies and cache. Perhaps after a day's worth of activity the ads would be more targeted to my habits.

Still, it seems like the more DUers post about the NRA or any other topic, the more those specific ads will appear...

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
19. I don't mean to imply that the NRA's membership
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jan 2015

is collectively dumber than a box of rocks but this is what . . . the how many nth time that [insert name of Democratic president here] is coming for their guns? It hasn't happened and given the love of guns in this country, won't happen in the foreseeable future. But, damn, every time Pepe LaPierre or one of his coterie hint that it's really and truly, for sure this time, cross our hearts and hope to die, abso-damn-lutely gonna happen, the bless their hearts membership of the NRA start screaming. Talk about the boy who cried wolf.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
31. The notion of gun bans actually happening is delusional
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 07:09 PM
Jan 2015

I have never understood the "Obama is coming for your guns" hysteria. He has been good to gun owners.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
22. same thing you get with "Soldier of Fortune" magazine: constant stories drumming
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:21 PM
Jan 2015

how the Salvadoran war in the 80s was about to come to our shopping malls a la "Red Dawn" ANY DAY NOW PREPARE YOURSELVES THE HUN IS AT THE GATE BOOLA BOOLA BOOLA

everyone bemoaning that we're a new Rome is partly guilty of this too, I might add: we've been wringing our hands that we're going to lose everything and barbarian invaders and feral locals will roam our once-proud streets since the friggin' Boer War

billh58

(6,635 posts)
23. This is the gist of the entire
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:23 PM
Jan 2015

right-wing playbook "dictator" message with an aim towards instilling fear in their ignorant flock going into 2016:

"Over the next 700 days, Barack Obama and his gun-hating, freedom-fearing, big-government allies can make profound, toxic, and permanent changes to our country."


The right-wing extremist presidential pretenders are spreading the exact same message with the financial aid of the Koch Brothers and Sheldon Adelson.
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
25. People suffering from paranoid schizophrenia this severe
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jan 2015

used to be locked up in places with padded rooms and tall walls with razor wire at the top.

underpants

(182,868 posts)
26. OMG is there some way some how that I could contribute money to stop this from happening????
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:45 PM
Jan 2015


The NRA is the marketing dept for the gun makers.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
30. Obama and Congressional Dems have been really good to gun owners
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 07:07 PM
Jan 2015

it is amazing every gun owner doesn't realize that. No one is coming to take away guns.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
52. It's just a ploy to spur weapon/ammo production sales and membership
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 06:23 PM
Feb 2015

and it has been a very successful/lucrative one...

Right on cue, you can expect to see these stories every financial quarter...

ileus

(15,396 posts)
36. Let's not get carried away...
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 08:08 AM
Jan 2015

The days, weeks, and years after sandy hook were much worse than now. I don't think 2A progressives are going to have to sweat out the next 700 days.

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