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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 08:33 AM Jan 2015

The Ugly Conservative Tactic of Brutally Attacking Individuals, Even Kids, Instead of Ideas

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/ugly-conservative-tactic-brutally-attacking-individuals-even-kids-instead-ideas

One of the more unfortunate trends of the 21st century is the increasingly ugly right-wing strategy of singling out individuals—usually those who have somehow offended them by having liberal opinions—and subjecting them to grotesque smear campaigns and a deluge of abuse. Recent examples include Michelle Malkin's smear campaign against a 12-year-old who testified in favor of SCHIP; the bizarre multi-year campaign to discredit climate scientist Michael Mann; and the relentless haranguing of feminist video game critic Anita Sarkeesian. The goal often seems to be to “take out” the target by making the price of continuing to speak out in public so high that they quit entirely.

These kinds of harassment campaigns aren’t just immoral, but illogical. For one, the targets seem to be chosen almost at random. Plenty of people agree with Sarkeesian about video games, but she gets exponentially more abuse for it than most of her comrades. The malice conservatives aim at their targets would suggest that they think by eliminating the person, they can somehow take out the ideas the person promotes, but there’s no reason to believe that. Climate science will still be around if Mann retires tomorrow. Sarkeesian’s feminist videos are good, but if she quit making them, there are plenty of other smart women critiquing sexism in video games. No matter how successful Malkin may be at publicly humiliating a sixth-grader, she can’t change the fact that millions of children get necessary healthcare coverage through SCHIP.

So why do they do this? Michael Mann published a paper titled “The Serengeti strategy: How special interests try to intimidate scientists, and how best to fight back” that examines this question for the January edition of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. Using his own experience as the punching bag conservatives hit when they want to take potshots at climate scientists, Mann argues that attacking individuals while leaving the larger group intact doesn’t seem to make sense initially, but there is a purpose to it.

“This is a classic ad hominem attack, consisting of innuendo and obfuscation, often focusing on irrelevant items, whose net effect is to direct attention away from the merits of an argument and instead to the character of the person making it,” Mann writes. “This approach appeals to feelings, emotions, and prejudices rather than intellect—exactly the point when the attacker is on the wrong side of the facts.”
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The Ugly Conservative Tactic of Brutally Attacking Individuals, Even Kids, Instead of Ideas (Original Post) xchrom Jan 2015 OP
We are lucky we never see that here on DU. Nt hack89 Jan 2015 #1
You beat me to the punch! nt MADem Jan 2015 #5
Here? Naw... can't be.. newthinking Jan 2015 #6
yes, no ad homs, no bullying sarcasm, no eye rolling appeals to authority. It's amazing. GreatGazoo Jan 2015 #10
Except this isn't nationally televised and is not funded. Kingofalldems Jan 2015 #16
Same mentality writ small Nt hack89 Jan 2015 #18
They are not reasonable 'people' and reasonable actions will not make them stop ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #2
By no means unique to conservatives. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #3
Unfortunately I think there is a cultural trend occurring newthinking Jan 2015 #7
You know that because you despise liberals and their ideas. tenderfoot Jan 2015 #9
So all those on DU who do this to LGBT people are now 'conservatives'? You need to tell them that. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #4
I was unaware that this is going on. So sorry to hear it, Blue. PotatoChip Jan 2015 #8
Wtf? treestar Jan 2015 #17
BAM! Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #21
One of the strategies recommended for internet shills and sock puppets is to belittle GreatGazoo Jan 2015 #11
Gee, I wonder what it's like to get targeted like that MrScorpio Jan 2015 #14
You do realize that "article" orginated on Stormfront, a neoNazi site, right? Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #20
It says it came from "Above Top Secret" in the link. Got some evidence that it originated ND-Dem Feb 2015 #22
My bad...it was from another Jew-hating, conspiracy site, ATS. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #23
It's not described as a "Jew-hating site" anywhere I can see. More often a "conspiracy" site. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #24
Ding! Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #25
I went to your link and got ND-Dem Feb 2015 #26
Funny...my link right to it. Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #27
I was talking about your link for this snippet. (Which I eventually got by closing the spaces) ND-Dem Feb 2015 #28
"Sit down and shut up" or "low life scum" or take your pick mountain grammy Jan 2015 #12
I get this from conservatives quite often on another site. . . . Triana Jan 2015 #13
The other big "arguement" I've seen..... essaynnc Jan 2015 #15
Yesterday, here on DU, someone told me I was a hater of Obama 'cause I dared criticize a policy. Scuba Feb 2015 #19

Kingofalldems

(38,458 posts)
16. Except this isn't nationally televised and is not funded.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jan 2015

There is no comparison as you seem to be implying.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
3. By no means unique to conservatives.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 09:06 AM
Jan 2015

It's just that people often don't see the ugliness when the target is someone they themselves despise.

tenderfoot

(8,437 posts)
9. You know that because you despise liberals and their ideas.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 10:30 AM
Jan 2015

Sorry, I'm stating that based on your posts. Which aren't very liberal or democratic.

Have a nice day.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
4. So all those on DU who do this to LGBT people are now 'conservatives'? You need to tell them that.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 09:23 AM
Jan 2015

And that's not snark. I am saying sincerely that the Straight Community on DU needs to step the fuck up and stop allowing that bullshit. I see a smug OP like this, so self righteously blind to what is done by and to our own and I want to puke.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
8. I was unaware that this is going on. So sorry to hear it, Blue.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 10:21 AM
Jan 2015

Fwiw, I vow to step up if/when I see it.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
21. BAM!
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 06:07 AM
Feb 2015

Just take a peek below at the "Confessions of an internet troll" which appears to have originated from Stormfront, and the site quoted is plagued with various Jew-haters (not an issue for some here), and such "awesome" articles, like:

Catholic Schools Pressured to Endorse Gay Disorder
The Gay Jewish Consultant Behind Conservative Leaders
Israelis Also Suffer from Gaystapo Terror
Burger King Gay Whopper

By wmw_admin on July 4, 2014
“Part noble gesture … part calculated targeting of the pink dollar”, the Independent omits to mention that the latest Burger King ad is also part of a drive to re-brand homosexuality

Keep your gays and your aid, defiant Uganda tells West
World Bank and Western governments withholding aid to Uganda to force it to change its anti-homosexuality laws

Courts Help Gays Pimp Their Sons
“The judge told me …that my son needed to get used to a homosexual lifestyle, and he then ordered no contact between me and my son.”

Iran’s queen of pop promotes gay rights in new music video
The promotion of “gay rights” has become a byword for Illuminati sponsored campaigns. In much the same way as “anti-Semitism” has been seized upon and exploited by Zionists


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Webshites (check to see which sites are listed)

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
11. One of the strategies recommended for internet shills and sock puppets is to belittle
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 10:48 AM
Jan 2015

those with opposing viewpoints.

From the confessions of a paid internet troll:

The site-specific info in the second binder included a brief history each site, including recent flame-wars, as well as info on what to avoid on each site so as not to get banned. It also had quite detailed info on the moderators and the most popular regged posters on each site: location (if known), personality type, topics of interest, background sketch, and even some notes on how to “push the psychological buttons” of different posters. Although I didn’t work for ATS, I did see they had a lot of info on your so-called “WATS” posters here (the ones with gold borders around their edges). “Focus on the popular posters,” my trainer told me. “These are the influential ones. Each of these is worth 50 to 100 of the lesser known names.”

Each popular poster was classified as “hostile,” “friendly,” or “indifferent” to my goal. We were supposed to cultivate friendship with the friendly posters as well as the mods (basically, by brownnosing and sucking up), and there were even notes on strategies for dealing with specific hostile posters. The info was pretty detailed, but not perfect in every case. “If you can convert one of the hostile posters from the enemy side to our side, you get a nice bonus. But this doesn’t happen too often, sadly. So mostly you’ll be attacking them and trying to smear them.

At first, like I said, my job was “meme-patrol.” This was pretty simple and repetitive; it involved countering memes and introducing new memes, and didn’t demand much in-depth knowledge of the subject. Mostly just repetitive posting based on the dialogue pairs in the “Strat” section of the first binder. A lot of my job was de-railing and spamming threads that didn’t go our way, or making accusations of racism and anti-Semitism. Sometimes I had to simply lie and claim a poster said something or did something “in another thread” they really hadn’t said or done I felt bad about this…..


www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=64853

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
14. Gee, I wonder what it's like to get targeted like that
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:09 PM
Jan 2015

Has anyone seen this happen on DU from outsiders?

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
20. You do realize that "article" orginated on Stormfront, a neoNazi site, right?
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 05:39 AM
Feb 2015

BTW...that site is an anti-Semitic cesspool. Not to mention being a wacky (and that's being nice) conspiracy site. It's like a "who's who" of anti-Semites, racists, and homophobes.

ETA: Sorry, wrong Jew-hating site. See below.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
22. It says it came from "Above Top Secret" in the link. Got some evidence that it originated
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 06:13 AM
Feb 2015

where you say?

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
23. My bad...it was from another Jew-hating, conspiracy site, ATS.
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 06:26 AM
Feb 2015
Thread is close and hoaxed. The author admitted in a private exchange that the entire story was fabricated.


http://www. abovetopsecret. com/forum/thread826545

(I won't directly link to the Jew-hating site.)

Thank you for forcing me to further explore the BS.
 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
24. It's not described as a "Jew-hating site" anywhere I can see. More often a "conspiracy" site.
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 06:32 AM
Feb 2015
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Above_Top_Secret

Above Top Secret is the internet's beehive for all things conspiracy, UFO, paranormal and just about anything crank-related. The domain was registered in 1997 by Simon Gray, but he didn't actually start developing the site until 1999.[2] Initially it was a compilation of various documents and texts concerning shadow government, the New World Order, and related theories, but it primarily focused on extraterrestrial life and alleged attempts by the government to cover up their existence. Following the 9/11 attacks, the site received a boom in popularity, has since undergone several major layout changes and eventually mutated into one of the largest and most popular conspiracy theory discussion boards on the internet with over 9.5 million posts of, apparently, "substance".

On political subjects, ATS' userbase typically swings towards the radical end of whichever side is currently out of power. During the George W. Bush administration, for instance, a lot of far-left users inhabited the site, and 9/11 Truthers, various conspiracy theories about the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, and the 2000 election, and people calling Bush a fascist were never more than a couple of clicks away. When Barack Obama was elected, though, most of the moonbats left (or became less active) and were soon replaced by equally rabid wingnuts, with the site crawling with birthers, religious whackjobs, claims that Obama was a fascist and/or a communist, and claims that the latest mass-murder spree was a false flag operation so that They could take away your guns. The horseshoe theory, though, guarantees that a lot of the content, especially the less politically-charged stuff (like the aforementioned aliens), tends to show up whether it's leftists or rightists posting.



And with no idea where this snippet came from, why should anyone believe it?

Thread is close and hoaxed. The author admitted in a private exchange that the entire story was fabricated.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
25. Ding!
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 06:43 AM
Feb 2015

These sites tend to go well beyond conspiracies into one-stop nuttery shopping. Here is where you may find besides the conspiracy theories: Christian and New Age woo side by side, anti-Semitism and seeming opposition to same on the same site, alt-meds, UFOs, cryptozoology and those all-knowing lizard people.
##Above Top Secret
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Webshites#Conspiracists

And with no idea where this snippet came from, why should anyone believe it?


Ummm...I gave you a link to the damn site (take out the spaces).
 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
26. I went to your link and got
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 06:57 AM
Feb 2015
http://webhelper.centurylink.com/index.php?origURL=http%3A//www./&r=http%3A//www.democraticunderground.com/%3Fcom%3Dview_post%26forum%3D1002%26pid%3D6163212


I closed the spaces and got the link but it seems no more authoritative than any other post. an anonymous poster says its fake and the guy who wrote it told him that.

I don't see that as making it any more fake than the fact that it was written on the internet by an anonymous person in the first place. now another anonymous person says it's fake because the first anonymous person told him so?

it's ridiculous.
 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
28. I was talking about your link for this snippet. (Which I eventually got by closing the spaces)
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 01:06 PM
Feb 2015
Thread is close and hoaxed. The author admitted in a private exchange that the entire story was fabricated


I used the other link earlier and found the ATS reference:

Conspiracists

These sites tend to go well beyond conspiracies into one-stop nuttery shopping. Here is where you may find besides the conspiracy theories: Christian and New Age woo side by side, anti-Semitism and seeming opposition to same on the same site, alt-meds, UFOs, cryptozoology and those all-knowing lizard people.
##Above Top Secret (http://www.abovetopsecret.com).



I don't see "one stop nuttery" sites as equivalent to anti-Semitic sites like Stormfront.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
12. "Sit down and shut up" or "low life scum" or take your pick
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 11:35 AM
Jan 2015

yes, conservatives are bullies. Do we respond with snark of our own? You bet, finally! Liberals have been at the receiving end of the slings and arrows for a long time and we held our peace, to our detriment, making us look weak and ineffective. Get loud, speak out! No great movement was ever started without some shouting.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
13. I get this from conservatives quite often on another site. . . .
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jan 2015

On which I occasionally post political stuff. They literally NEVER debate the facts (because they can't) -- they only personally attack ME. That's it.

essaynnc

(801 posts)
15. The other big "arguement" I've seen.....
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jan 2015

Is the "Rush Limbaugh" defense. Whatever the point is that is being discussed, bring up EVERY issue that has absolutely nothing to do with the original question and just confuse, argue, demean, obfuscate, and since no ground was given, the right winger somehow "wins". I still haven't figured out how to even get into this argument, much less try to make a few points that might be heard......

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
19. Yesterday, here on DU, someone told me I was a hater of Obama 'cause I dared criticize a policy.
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 05:16 AM
Feb 2015

Either it's not just conservatives, or there's conservatives on DU. Or both.

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