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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Ugly Conservative Tactic of Brutally Attacking Individuals, Even Kids, Instead of Ideas
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/ugly-conservative-tactic-brutally-attacking-individuals-even-kids-instead-ideasOne of the more unfortunate trends of the 21st century is the increasingly ugly right-wing strategy of singling out individualsusually those who have somehow offended them by having liberal opinionsand subjecting them to grotesque smear campaigns and a deluge of abuse. Recent examples include Michelle Malkin's smear campaign against a 12-year-old who testified in favor of SCHIP; the bizarre multi-year campaign to discredit climate scientist Michael Mann; and the relentless haranguing of feminist video game critic Anita Sarkeesian. The goal often seems to be to take out the target by making the price of continuing to speak out in public so high that they quit entirely.
These kinds of harassment campaigns arent just immoral, but illogical. For one, the targets seem to be chosen almost at random. Plenty of people agree with Sarkeesian about video games, but she gets exponentially more abuse for it than most of her comrades. The malice conservatives aim at their targets would suggest that they think by eliminating the person, they can somehow take out the ideas the person promotes, but theres no reason to believe that. Climate science will still be around if Mann retires tomorrow. Sarkeesians feminist videos are good, but if she quit making them, there are plenty of other smart women critiquing sexism in video games. No matter how successful Malkin may be at publicly humiliating a sixth-grader, she cant change the fact that millions of children get necessary healthcare coverage through SCHIP.
So why do they do this? Michael Mann published a paper titled The Serengeti strategy: How special interests try to intimidate scientists, and how best to fight back that examines this question for the January edition of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. Using his own experience as the punching bag conservatives hit when they want to take potshots at climate scientists, Mann argues that attacking individuals while leaving the larger group intact doesnt seem to make sense initially, but there is a purpose to it.
This is a classic ad hominem attack, consisting of innuendo and obfuscation, often focusing on irrelevant items, whose net effect is to direct attention away from the merits of an argument and instead to the character of the person making it, Mann writes. This approach appeals to feelings, emotions, and prejudices rather than intellectexactly the point when the attacker is on the wrong side of the facts.
hack89
(39,171 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)newthinking
(3,982 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)There is no comparison as you seem to be implying.
hack89
(39,171 posts)ChosenUnWisely
(588 posts)ever.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)It's just that people often don't see the ugliness when the target is someone they themselves despise.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)tenderfoot
(8,437 posts)Sorry, I'm stating that based on your posts. Which aren't very liberal or democratic.
Have a nice day.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)And that's not snark. I am saying sincerely that the Straight Community on DU needs to step the fuck up and stop allowing that bullshit. I see a smug OP like this, so self righteously blind to what is done by and to our own and I want to puke.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Fwiw, I vow to step up if/when I see it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)What is smug about the OP? Conservatives do in fact resort to ad hominem
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Just take a peek below at the "Confessions of an internet troll" which appears to have originated from Stormfront, and the site quoted is plagued with various Jew-haters (not an issue for some here), and such "awesome" articles, like:
Catholic Schools Pressured to Endorse Gay Disorder
The Gay Jewish Consultant Behind Conservative Leaders
Israelis Also Suffer from Gaystapo Terror
Burger King Gay Whopper
Part noble gesture part calculated targeting of the pink dollar, the Independent omits to mention that the latest Burger King ad is also part of a drive to re-brand homosexuality
Keep your gays and your aid, defiant Uganda tells West
Courts Help Gays Pimp Their Sons
Irans queen of pop promotes gay rights in new music video
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Webshites (check to see which sites are listed)
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)those with opposing viewpoints.
From the confessions of a paid internet troll:
Each popular poster was classified as hostile, friendly, or indifferent to my goal. We were supposed to cultivate friendship with the friendly posters as well as the mods (basically, by brownnosing and sucking up), and there were even notes on strategies for dealing with specific hostile posters. The info was pretty detailed, but not perfect in every case. If you can convert one of the hostile posters from the enemy side to our side, you get a nice bonus. But this doesnt happen too often, sadly. So mostly youll be attacking them and trying to smear them.
At first, like I said, my job was meme-patrol. This was pretty simple and repetitive; it involved countering memes and introducing new memes, and didnt demand much in-depth knowledge of the subject. Mostly just repetitive posting based on the dialogue pairs in the Strat section of the first binder. A lot of my job was de-railing and spamming threads that didnt go our way, or making accusations of racism and anti-Semitism. Sometimes I had to simply lie and claim a poster said something or did something in another thread they really hadnt said or done I felt bad about this ..
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=64853
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Has anyone seen this happen on DU from outsiders?
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)BTW...that site is an anti-Semitic cesspool. Not to mention being a wacky (and that's being nice) conspiracy site. It's like a "who's who" of anti-Semites, racists, and homophobes.
ETA: Sorry, wrong Jew-hating site. See below.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)where you say?
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)http://www. abovetopsecret. com/forum/thread826545
(I won't directly link to the Jew-hating site.)
Thank you for forcing me to further explore the BS.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)Above Top Secret is the internet's beehive for all things conspiracy, UFO, paranormal and just about anything crank-related. The domain was registered in 1997 by Simon Gray, but he didn't actually start developing the site until 1999.[2] Initially it was a compilation of various documents and texts concerning shadow government, the New World Order, and related theories, but it primarily focused on extraterrestrial life and alleged attempts by the government to cover up their existence. Following the 9/11 attacks, the site received a boom in popularity, has since undergone several major layout changes and eventually mutated into one of the largest and most popular conspiracy theory discussion boards on the internet with over 9.5 million posts of, apparently, "substance".
On political subjects, ATS' userbase typically swings towards the radical end of whichever side is currently out of power. During the George W. Bush administration, for instance, a lot of far-left users inhabited the site, and 9/11 Truthers, various conspiracy theories about the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, and the 2000 election, and people calling Bush a fascist were never more than a couple of clicks away. When Barack Obama was elected, though, most of the moonbats left (or became less active) and were soon replaced by equally rabid wingnuts, with the site crawling with birthers, religious whackjobs, claims that Obama was a fascist and/or a communist, and claims that the latest mass-murder spree was a false flag operation so that They could take away your guns. The horseshoe theory, though, guarantees that a lot of the content, especially the less politically-charged stuff (like the aforementioned aliens), tends to show up whether it's leftists or rightists posting.
And with no idea where this snippet came from, why should anyone believe it?
Thread is close and hoaxed. The author admitted in a private exchange that the entire story was fabricated.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)These sites tend to go well beyond conspiracies into one-stop nuttery shopping. Here is where you may find besides the conspiracy theories: Christian and New Age woo side by side, anti-Semitism and seeming opposition to same on the same site, alt-meds, UFOs, cryptozoology and those all-knowing lizard people.
##Above Top Secret
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Webshites#Conspiracists
Ummm...I gave you a link to the damn site (take out the spaces).
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)I closed the spaces and got the link but it seems no more authoritative than any other post. an anonymous poster says its fake and the guy who wrote it told him that.
I don't see that as making it any more fake than the fact that it was written on the internet by an anonymous person in the first place. now another anonymous person says it's fake because the first anonymous person told him so?
it's ridiculous.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Try linking directly instead of typing it in. Or: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Webshites
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)I used the other link earlier and found the ATS reference:
Conspiracists
These sites tend to go well beyond conspiracies into one-stop nuttery shopping. Here is where you may find besides the conspiracy theories: Christian and New Age woo side by side, anti-Semitism and seeming opposition to same on the same site, alt-meds, UFOs, cryptozoology and those all-knowing lizard people.
##Above Top Secret (http://www.abovetopsecret.com).
I don't see "one stop nuttery" sites as equivalent to anti-Semitic sites like Stormfront.
mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)yes, conservatives are bullies. Do we respond with snark of our own? You bet, finally! Liberals have been at the receiving end of the slings and arrows for a long time and we held our peace, to our detriment, making us look weak and ineffective. Get loud, speak out! No great movement was ever started without some shouting.
Triana
(22,666 posts)On which I occasionally post political stuff. They literally NEVER debate the facts (because they can't) -- they only personally attack ME. That's it.
essaynnc
(801 posts)Is the "Rush Limbaugh" defense. Whatever the point is that is being discussed, bring up EVERY issue that has absolutely nothing to do with the original question and just confuse, argue, demean, obfuscate, and since no ground was given, the right winger somehow "wins". I still haven't figured out how to even get into this argument, much less try to make a few points that might be heard......
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Either it's not just conservatives, or there's conservatives on DU. Or both.