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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 10:59 AM Jan 2015

Working Mom On Food Stamps Hits Back At Scott Walker’s Plan To Drug Test Her

“This is not about the workers,” she told ThinkProgress. “This is about Governor Walker playing to the dog whistle politics of the worst of his base as he follows his presidential aspirations.”

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“For Governor Walker to put another barrier in front of us is like saying we’re guilty, but we’re not guilty,” Smith told ThinkProgress. “It’s already hard to go down there and file for government assistance. We have to report in every day, fill out papers. Now I have to take the time out of my busy schedule to take a drug test? Come on!”

Epps-Addison, who depended on food stamps when she began law school at the start of the Great Recession in 2008, echoed Smith’s difficult experience in signing up for public benefits.

“There were times even I couldn’t navigate the process, as a law student with a college degree,” she said. “The system is set up to disempower people and make them frustrated enough to give up before receiving the help they need.”

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“I’m willing to work. I’m not lazy at all,” she said. “But the jobs we can get are horrible, low pay, and we can’t get the hours we need. As a parent, it just sucks. I want things that are healthy for her, but the fruits and vegetables she needs to grow as young child are expensive.”


http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/01/30/3617646/working-mom-food-stamps-hits-back-scott-walkers-plan-drug-test/
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Working Mom On Food Stamps Hits Back At Scott Walker’s Plan To Drug Test Her (Original Post) kpete Jan 2015 OP
Dear Working Mom: OldRedneck Jan 2015 #1
I don't think she sounds like she has any illusions about Walker at all muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #15
Most people with low-paying jobs like that Terra Alta Jan 2015 #2
Good for her. Question: She talks about reporting in every day - what is she talking about? jwirr Jan 2015 #3
A problem easily solved: ask for a religious exemption. randome Jan 2015 #4
But not a Muslim one. nt valerief Jan 2015 #10
Oh, good God, no! randome Jan 2015 #12
sure scotty, you pee first. mopinko Jan 2015 #5
Potty scottie wants you to shut-up working mom. And he sure doesn't want you to join a union. lonestarnot Jan 2015 #6
His Koch brother friends could offer good jobs to all welfare recipients instead bluestateguy Jan 2015 #7
Their ultimate hope is the you and your child die. olegramps Jan 2015 #8
How much does that state invest in food relief a year? n/t jtuck004 Jan 2015 #9
can we please drug test the assholes who start wars and pimp our jobs offshore Skittles Jan 2015 #11
Drug testing food stamp recipients = presumption of guilt meow2u3 Jan 2015 #13
I agree that it's wrong SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #16
Federal, state, and local governments are all bound by the 4th and 5th Amendment meow2u3 Feb 2015 #17
I'm a federal employee SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #18
scott walker needs to be accountable for every last one of sociopathic ******* weasel moves.. Cha Feb 2015 #14
this has been repeatedly litigated bigtree Feb 2015 #19
 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
1. Dear Working Mom:
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 11:44 AM
Jan 2015

You seem to be under the impression that
Scott Walker and his minions give a damn
about you and your children. They don't.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
15. I don't think she sounds like she has any illusions about Walker at all
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 06:23 AM
Feb 2015

She's just speaking out to get others to see reality.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
2. Most people with low-paying jobs like that
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jan 2015

Already get drug tested when they are offered a job. So why should they have to go through it again for the government? Doesn't seem fair to me. Scott Walker is an asshole.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. A problem easily solved: ask for a religious exemption.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:04 PM
Jan 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. Oh, good God, no!
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 06:11 PM
Jan 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

mopinko

(70,120 posts)
5. sure scotty, you pee first.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:16 PM
Jan 2015

i think we need to recognize the symptoms of projection. have seen damn few republicans accuse others of sins they themselves do not commit.

so, sure scotty, drug test everyone. everyone elected to jack shit should pee in the cup if you have to do that to get food stamps or a minimum wage job.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
7. His Koch brother friends could offer good jobs to all welfare recipients instead
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:23 PM
Jan 2015

but I'm sure they would have an excuse as to why they can't do that.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
8. Their ultimate hope is the you and your child die.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:33 PM
Jan 2015

The wealthy and their bought and paid for politicians hate anyone who requires assistance and regard you as nothing more than freeloader. Republicans are the scum of the earth and those who vote for them are stupid ignorant brain washed nincompoops.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
13. Drug testing food stamp recipients = presumption of guilt
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 08:03 PM
Jan 2015

It flouts the 4th Amendment right against unreasonable searches and seizures and our 5th Amendment right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty--due process.

Drug testing of welfare/food stamp recipients implies you're presumed guilty of drug use until you prove yourself innocent, something that's more befitting of dictatorial regimes than constitutional democracies.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
16. I agree that it's wrong
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 08:32 AM
Feb 2015

but how is it any different than drug testing job applicants? Perfectly legal in that case.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
17. Federal, state, and local governments are all bound by the 4th and 5th Amendment
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 08:50 AM
Feb 2015

Thanks to the 14th Amendment revoking the states' license to ignore protection against unreasonable searches/seizures and due process.
Private employers, on the other hand, are not, at least not regarding drug testing as a condition of employment, provided the employer foots the bill for the drug test. On the other hand, if the employee has to shell out the money just so he or she can have a job, then we have a problem.

When the government drug tests people applying for government assistance, it presumes a poor person is guilty of drug use, turning due process on its head. Drug teasing welfare/food stamp recipients amounts to a search without probable cause of drug use.

Cha

(297,285 posts)
14. scott walker needs to be accountable for every last one of sociopathic ******* weasel moves..
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 12:28 AM
Feb 2015

here's to it coming back and boomeranging in his smirky dumbass face one day.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
19. this has been repeatedly litigated
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 12:10 PM
Feb 2015

from The Atlantic:


...a federal judge, a nominee of President George W. Bush, struck down for good a dubious Florida law that required state welfare recipients to submit to (and pay for) drug testing as a precondition of receiving benefits. The ruling was not a surprise—the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals presaged it in a February 2013 injunction ruling in this case—but it was nonetheless bracing: a good, old-fashioned screed against a very bad idea.

The 30-page order by U.S. District Judge Mary Stenson Scriven, in Orlando, is an easy read and comes down to an essential point: The government may not condition the receipt of a benefit upon the violation of a constitutional right. What is remarkable is not that every federal judge who has ever looked at this law has found it unconstitutional but that Florida officials—led by the indefatigable Governor Rick Scott—defended it as long as they have.

What was Florida's argument in defense of the statute, passed with overwhelming support by Republicans in May 2011? Both before and after the 11th Circuit ruling last year, the rationale remained the same. The mandatory drug tests were necessary (and legally justified) for all candidates under the "Temporary Assistance for Needy Families" program to: 1) ensure TANF participants’ job readiness; (2) ensure the TANF program meets its child-welfare and family-stability goals; and (3) ensure that public funds are used for their intended purposes and not to undermine public health.

Judge Scrivens rejected these arguments as factually and legally insufficient when she granted a preliminary injunction temporarily halting the law late in 2011. Then the 11th Circuit, one of the most conservative federal appeals courts in the nation, did, too. Language from the 11th Circuit ruling last year that upheld Judge Scrivens' injunction gives you the best sense of how far short Florida fell in meeting its obligation to keep its citizens free from "suspicionless drug testing."

The court concluded:

The only pertinent inquiry is whether there is a substantial special need for mandatory, suspicionless drug testing of TANF recipients when there is

- no immediate or direct threat to public safety,

- when those being searched are not directly involved in the frontlines of drug interdiction,

- when there is no public school setting where the government has a responsibility for the care and tutelage of its young students,

- or when there are no dire consequences or grave risk of imminent physical harm as a result of waiting to obtain a warrant if a TANF recipient, or anyone else for that matter, is suspected of violating the law.

We conclude that, on this record, the answer to that question of whether there is a substantial special need for mandatory suspicionless drug testing is “no.”


read more: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/01/poverty-in-a-cup-why-a-federal-judge-rejected-a-florida-drug-test-requirement/282825/

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