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(1,555 posts)When my daughter was born, it was in the heat of the autism freak out. My wife and I were not sure what to do.
Our pediatrician settled our minds by reassuring that she was a hippie, too, but that she had her kids vaxed and we should as well.
We live in Ann Arbor which has a population that spans the globe in origin.
Looking back I am glad we got our daughter her shots, and since she turned 7 last week, she is dreading her "birthday shots". They're different from my birthday shots, that's for sure.
mountain grammy
(26,659 posts)paleotn
(17,989 posts)....for making the right decision for your daughter and everyone else's sons and daughters.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Response to AngryDem001 (Original post)
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MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,020 posts)Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)😂
GoneOffShore
(17,342 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)Response to Terra Alta (Reply #7)
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Archae
(46,359 posts)Enjoy your stay...
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Lucky Saturday to me.
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)She's registered and been banned from DU literally thousands of times. No doubt she'll be back.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Her reputation proceeds her.
Whiskeytide
(4,463 posts)Who tuned in too late at least a paraphrased version!!!
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)The claim that aborted tissue is used to make vaccines, and an edit where she wondered at the correlation between vaccine proponents and atheism.
7962
(11,841 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I barely even know anything about The Legend of Library Girl.
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uppityperson
(115,681 posts)So many lies, so little time. Oh well, she'll be back.
Archae
(46,359 posts)Archae
(46,359 posts)Sorry.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Archae
(46,359 posts)Something girl?
Most trolls though I've run into were basement-dwelling teenage boys.
They specialize in jobs that have "Would you like fries with that?"
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)thousands, many thousands of bannings.
malaise
(269,222 posts)the troll of trolls
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)to industry profits over the well being of citizens. Millions of people no longer trust the US government to effectively regulate health care industries. Furthermore, off-shoring the manufacturing of medicine to India offers corporations massive profits as regulation and quality control measures in Asia are inadequate to protect public health.
This anti-vax craze is nothing more than a by-product of our embrace of industry profits over human health.
For many, the science is not in dispute. The trust that an industry will protect the safety of patients is in dispute.
I'm not an anti-vax zealot. But I certainly understand the VALID concerns raised by those who don't trust the vax regiment.
Corners will get cut, regulations and oversight will get cut. We see it every day.
Perhaps the Ebola debacle highlights the folly cock-sure pronouncements by Govt. officials. In that case, the Govt. trusted the assurances of hospital administrators that they were prepared while telling nurses to wrap themselves in tape for protection.
You can't have it both ways, blinding deference to corporate CEO profits and a safe, secure public health system.
So now we must live with the consequences.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)Mocking anti-vaxxers and spewing anger at them does not help.
Vaccines are a scary thing to start with: doing something that obviously hurts the kid a lot, knowingly injecting the child with germs. At one point mercury levels in vaccines at one time far exceeded allowable levels.
In the end are kids better off getting vaccinated? Maybe so. But in questioning vaccines parents are being reasonable cautious. If they question out loud on DU, they are likely to be met with a shitstorm of namecalling.
I've seen a lot of DU posts saying something like "I've explained so many times why vaccines are OK, so please STFU with your anti-vaxx stuff." Maybe they have explained it, but I haven't seen it. (Maybe it's just the screaming posts that make it to the top.) On this issue I think we need an open, honest discussion in which each side treats the other with respect. Kinda like every other issue.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)They only deserve scorn.
There was s no debate to be had. The debate was over with the smallpox vaccine. The anti-vaxxers lost.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 1, 2015, 08:15 PM - Edit history (1)
you pull in MANY more germs than a single dose of a vaccine. A can of tuna fish has more mercury than any vaccine. On top of that, the mercury in vaccines is ethylmercury. It excretes through the skin, and does not deposit in the the body or limit brain function. The mercury in tuna is methylmercury. The one that actually does stay in the body and can limit brain function.
Now, the ones who get a shitstorm of name calling are the ones who keep posting the same tired links and the same tired disproven bullshit. IOW, they've already been shown the facts and choose to ignore it.
Calling for an open, honest discussion with both sides isn't going to happen. One side has time-proven science and facts on it's side. The other side has a discredited paper from an unethical doctor whose license was revoked and a vast misunderstanding of how to read scientific data. That's like discussing with a global-warming denialist. It's not going to get you anywhere.
Thank you, Dr Hobbitstein
hatrack
(59,594 posts)Let's "reach out" to The Stupid, and enlist The Stupid in campaigns and ensure that The Stupid always has plenty of input into how we design and enact laws and policies, and let's make sure The Stupid always feels at home, and never feels rejected or sad for being so . . . Stupid.
Fuck that noise. And if you'd like to know why, substitute the words "Tea Party Voters" for "The Stupid" in the preceding.
It's been 35 solid years of getting comfortable with The Stupid, and The Magical and The Bullshit and The Ignoring Of Reality, and (in case you hadn't been paying attention) it has really fucked things up.
Hekate
(90,867 posts)Very succinctly put, in a fed-up-with-BS kind of way.
hatrack
(59,594 posts). . . and that bullshit is bullshit.
Or is that elitist, patronizing, and just a false construct of the oligarchic phallocentric hegemons?
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)fear comes from and instead bloviate you are making a critical mistake.
A big part of the problem comes from distrust of Pharma and capture of government by industry.
It isn't just tea party nut jobs who don't trust the regiment, it is also MANY liberals.
Perhaps I need to make a list of the recent fraud cases involving pharmaceutical companies and failure of our drug approval process?
But even then, you'll just call me names.
BTW - I get a flu shot every year and having quite a bit of travel to Asia, I am willing to bet I'll have more vaccines than average person. Even you.
And likewise, I doubt you give a flying fuck because its just to easy to hippie punch people who you can't be bothered to understand.
So, this is a problem of our own making. People justifiably don't trust the Government's ability to independently regulate Pharma.
There - is that so hard to understand?
reddread
(6,896 posts)meanwhile, some folks just go reptilian and hate their cohabitants
instead of their captors.
what a massive intellectual shortcut.
how easily played.
the only accountability being worked is against the citizens.
appears hopeless, but once you seperate the authoritarians
from the democratically minded, things look hopeful.
wonder how many other anti-freedom, pro-MONSTER PHARM
memes we have ahead of us? I remember when the idea of the
authorities sticking a needle in you required consent and sparked
outrage.
the anti-anti-vaxxer crusade is quite robust.
if only war crimes elicited the same response.
hatrack
(59,594 posts)Nice projection, btw.
Bye now.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Vaccines don't cause autism. We have a bigger vax schedule today than we did years ago because we can vaccinate against many more diseases now.
I haven't heard a SINGLE valid concern from an anti-vaxxer. Just unsubstantiated bullshit and posturing.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)You want kids to get vaccinated?
Then first you need to stop this shit.
It is a matter of trust.
The new anti-cancer drug has just been approved for use in the United States and is due to be released in Britain this year.
But MailOnline has learned that several of the children used as 'guinea pigs' for the drug trial in India reported suffering problems including weight loss, fatigue, dizziness and menstrual problems.
They and their parents claim they had no idea they were being used to test out Gardasil 9, which was then an untried drug.
The claims have sparked a furious row with the mother of reality TV star Jade Goody, one of the most high profile recent victims of cervical cancer, telling MailOnline: 'It is not right.'
Jackiey Budden said she would not have wanted her daughter - who died aged 27 in 2010 - to have been vaccinated with a drug that had been tested on children who did not know what was happening to them.
'Vaccination is a good idea but it shouldn't be tested on kids,' she said.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2893485/Children-guinea-pigs-anti-cervical-cancer-drug.html
[div class="excerpt"Texas Gov. Rick Perry, whose bid for the White House depends heavily on support from religious conservatives, finds himself confronting an issue that is a flash point for that part of his base: his attempt to order schoolgirls to receive a vaccine that would protect them against a sexually transmitted virus.
The uproar over the Gardasil vaccine manufactured by Merck, a major Perry campaign donor knocked the candidate off-stride during a Republican debate Monday night.
The vaccine is aimed at shielding girls from human papillomavirus (HPV), a common sexual infection that can lead to cervical cancer. Federal health officials say they are confident that the vaccine is safe, noting that more than 35 million doses have been administered in the United States with no pattern of serious side effects.
Perry bristled Monday night at accusations from his chief rival for tea party voters, Rep. Michele Bachmann (Minn.), that he had pushed the vaccine in 2007 at the bidding of Merck, which employed a former aide to the governor as a lobbyist.
It was a $5,000 contribution that I had received from them, Perry said. I raise about $30 million. And if youre saying that I can be bought for $5,000, Im offended.
But campaign disclosure records portray a much deeper financial connection with Merck than Perrys remarks suggest.
His gubernatorial campaigns, for example, have received nearly $30,000 from the drugmaker since 2000, most of that before he issued his vaccine mandate, which was overturned by the Texas legislature.
Merck and its subsidiaries have also given more than $380,000 to the Republican Governors Association (RGA) since 2006, the year that Perry began to play a prominent role in the Washington-based group, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics.
Perry served as chairman of the RGA in 2008 and again this year, until he decided to run for president. The group ranks among the governors biggest donors, giving his campaign at least $4 million over the past five years, according to Texans for Public Justice, a watchdog group.
Its very clear that crony capitalism could likely have been the cause of Perrys decision to issue the vaccine order, Bachmann said Tuesday on NBCs Today show, alleging that the drug may be dangerous for young girls. Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, who until now has been generally supportive of Perry in public remarks, joined in the criticism.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/perry-has-deep-financial-ties-to-maker-of-hpv-vaccine/2011/09/13/gIQAVKKqPK_story.html
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)whose statement that someone told her her daughter had gotten autism from an HPV vaccines was so stupid even Rush Limbaugh called her out on it.
Tanfastic.
Hekate
(90,867 posts)whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)think that builds public trust?
On edit - actually, Perry forced this vaccine. There has been much written about this fact. Take some time to read the facts and then you should understand why our corporate/government partnership is so dangerous.
We are now dealing with the consequences. Want more people to vaccinate their kids? Then stop letting pharma buy elections and write public policy which breeds mistrust.
In meantime, take it easy. I've got enough vaccines in me due to frequent travel to kill a horse. And that's without the goddamn flu shot which put my kid in bed for a day with massive swollen arm, migrane and fever.
Diagnosis? Flu shot reaction which was higher than average this year, which I don't know whether to believe or not. Wasn't a hospital visit but still damn serious.
Think that's funny? Wait until it happens to your kid.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)The rest of that post is strawmen and fallacious nonsense.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Anti-vaxx conspiracy woo.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Keeping posting your dumb shit. I'll post something like this in reply. There's plenty more where this comes from.
The negotiated settlement, which includes resolution of civil cases, was the latest of a series of fraud cases brought by federal and state prosecutors against major pharmaceutical companies.
By the time Vioxx, which was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 1999, was pulled off the market in 2004 because evidence showed that it posed a substantial heart risk, about 25 million Americans had taken the drug.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/business/merck-agrees-to-pay-950-million-in-vioxx-case.html?_r=0
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)In the US. You can try and cherry pick data, or post articles about pain relievers (what that has to do with vaccines is beyond me) but in the end, it's your fault. If anyone dies, there's blood on your hands.
Keep it up. Woo woo woo woo woo.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)hatrack
(59,594 posts)Just asking . . .
Woo-woo! Must be a train a-comin'!
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)There are schools that ask you not pack PBJ sandwiches in your kids lunch because of kids who have allergies to peanut butter. There is a big deal about these allergies and making sure we protect the children.
And yet it seems these Anti-vaxxers don't give a rats ass about who they are possibly harming by sending their kids to school unprotected. Not every child can get these vaccines. Kids with poor immunity systems for legitimate reasons cannot get these vaccines but the thing was this - there were enough other children with the vaccine that it protected the children.
Now it's just a mess.
Personally if parents don't want to vaccinate their kids fine especially if there are absolutely no reason why they cannot vaccinate their kids. Those parents should then be required to homeschool their kids. Why should other parents suffer over the stupidity of these parents.
Butterbean
(1,014 posts)underpants
(182,951 posts)With too much time on their hands