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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI grew up in the 50's and caught everything.
Measles-German and whatever the other type was called.
Chicken pox--had it.
Mumps--had it and then was hospitalized with mumps meningitis.
Polio--got vaccinated in '54 I think, but knew kids who had it and had to wear iron leg braces.
I wish we had more vaccinations back then, but the ones I did get were repeated when I was in Army basic training. In fact I have had the polio vaccination 3 times.
My point is vaccinations for mumps etc. would have been a godsend back then. I remember from 1st to third grade there was always someone home sick with a highly contagious disease.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,741 posts)Are you saying you didn't need the vaccinations you did get?
Kingofalldems
(38,498 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,498 posts)a double dose would be even worse using the anti-vaxx logic.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)part is. Braiin?
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,741 posts)I agree.
And thanks for clarifying!
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)at the sick kids house!
Kingofalldems
(38,498 posts)being talked about.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Rubeola, you were very very very very very sick, isolated inside with the curtains drawn for days.
Rubella, german measles, it was common way back to plan when your kids would be sick and you home with them by sharing with each other.
But not rubeola, hard measles. Parents tried to avoid contact with that because it is a very serious disease.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Naturally over the years, and as a parent, I learned a lot more than I did in my single digits.
Kids who had polio were in our school and we lined up to get smallpox and polio shots, also tb tests. We were very happy to get vaccinated, and it was free at the public school.
I wonder if it is the charter, private and homeschooled kids are the ones not getting the vaxxed now? That will make it impossible to control, we have lost the PR battle due to mistrust of all things governmental and scientific among too many people. There will be no turning back this ignorance for a generation or even more, sad to say.
I wonder why all of these medicines aren't available in a sugar cube such as we got then, most likely a medical person would know why they must be injected now. Of course now I had to get a shingles shot for contracting chickenpox, in the method described, the block exposure method, and wish there was a shot for it back in the day.
And I don't know why they still use needles that make kids scream, I wonder if that is why some freak out about shots. When I get a flu shot, or recently when I got a tetanus booster, it was with a modern device which was completely painless. But then, I never cried no matter what a doctor did.
I feel embarrassed to see the USA to be coming down with these diseases since we know better (?). All of this was orchestrated by the purveyors of the Ideocracy and completely unnecessary. How many of them will call it Gawd's will, or a conspiracy either way?
Sad, sad, depressing stuff.
Kingofalldems
(38,498 posts)Around 1960 they introduced sugar cubes, a series of 3 I think.
I got both the shots and the sugar cubes, the latter twice.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I think the anti-vaxx thing is more from the CT people like Icke, Jones, etc. who make so many claims they cause sterility, cancer, brain disease and also inject nanobots. Yes, they've been saying that stuff for years and it's gospel to some people now.
I've read where people into 'health' now go abroad to have their children to escape mandatory examinations and shots as were required by the state in the 1980s where I lived. If your child was born in the hospital, they were on file and got a social security number at birth, and a series of shots set up. So they insist on natural birth at home as healthier and I'm sure most children do fine that way, but some don't. I had a friend who tried give birth at a commune, but it didn't go right. She ended up in the hospital and her child ended up disabled due to things not going right in the birth.
My grandmother died giving birth to twins over a hundred years ago and they died too, they were out in the country and she'd already given birth several times successfully. Then her children had no mother.
Some people want to go back to some medieval lifestyle, all close to nature, rejecting modern medicine, but they risk the natural course of disease and death by doing so.
And when children in an increasingly crowded world, no longer pristine and natural, are at risk, it just doesn't work 'to keep oneself pure' from all modern things. And even in the fantasy world of completely natural living, people died from such things.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)However the one that doesn't kill you, "german measles", if a pregnant woman catches it, she stands a real good chance of causing severe abnormalities in her fetus.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Not enough room in the message title to add that caveat, but if I am going to get a string of corrections, I'll just edit again. I'd have had to live in a bubble to not have heard of the terrible effects of rubella on children in the womb.
Now that I've read the high death toll as described in the anecdotes of some DUers, I understand why this arouses such intense passion here, but calling anti-vaxxers stupid doesn't work, no more than calling a teapublican dumb. They've got a force field against it.
It is a completely preventable disease and we counted on herd immunity for so long some people think the diseases are gone from the biosphere. I've only known of one person in my own life who had complications, which affected their vision only.
While I knew and know people who contracted polio or have survived menginitis, but were gravely disabled, some of them and never recoved, I didn't know anyone personally when I was in elementary who died of measles. So now I have heard their pain. I'm glad to have been spared that in life.
And I wish the anti-vaccination folks would get all of these shots and stop believing Infowars, etc. Now back to edit that post, thanks for bringing to my attention how it could be misinterpreted.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Until I finally had my cataracts done recently, I had terrible, terrible vision. It shaped my life. Of course the advantage is that reading was a great pleasure and my way into the world. I also learned to figure things out and reason because I really could not see. My family did not discover that I was nearly blind until I was maybe 7. I just fooled them by figuring things out and listening carefully. They should have realized the problem because I was having a lot of accidents, running into swings, etc. And I was terrible at the simple sports children play. There were lots of tip-offs. You do not want to risk a child's eyesight. Now that my vision is good, finally, in my old age, it is such a joy to see well and to wake up in the morning and look at my husband's face. What a wonderful sight. Before, I always had to reach for a pair of glasses first thing before getting out of bed. I took them off last thing before going to bed and wore them all the time in situations you would not believe. I just could not see to be safe without them.
So just damage to the eyesight is not a trifle. It's a very serious matter. People who have reasonably good eyesight all their lives have no idea how lucky they are.
Why risk these diseases when the vaccinations are mostly safe. And remember, some children really should not have the vaccinations. So we need to have our children and grandchildren who can be vaccinated vaccinated to protect the very vulnerable children who cannot be vaccinated. It's the compassionate and responsible thing to do.
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uppityperson
(115,681 posts)"Returning anti-vax nut. No vax for stupidity" per MIRT.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,596 posts)3 Days measles and German Measles. Like the OP, I grew up in the 50's and had both kinds of measles, mumps, chicken pox, whooping cough and almost had scarlet fever......
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)fetuses if pregnant women are exposed.
Rubeola is Hard Measles, much more intense, makes you more sick, more people die, etc.
Measles/rubeola, mumps, rubella/german measles, roseola, fifth disease (it never got a better name as was pretty mild and most didn't know they had it), chickenpox, hand, foot and mouth disease (not hoof and mouth), scarlet fever (after strep), whooping cough are the basic childhood diseases.
Lugnut
(9,791 posts)I also had pneumonia at the same time. I remember being pretty sick and in bed with sunglasses on and the curtains closed.
MiniMe
(21,722 posts)The idea was catch it when you are young, so you are immune afterwards. I had chicken pox, measles, mumps, not sure about rubella, was vaccinated for small pox, polio, and whooping cough.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and let me tell you, it was horrible. Supposedly it isn't as bad if you get it when you are younger.
MiniMe
(21,722 posts)I was out of school for 3 weeks. I had them under my eyelids, in my ears and on the bottom of my feet. I would gladly take a vaccine or give a child a vaccine to prevent that sort of horror!
countryjake
(8,554 posts)I used my hairbrush to scratch and I've still got the scars to prove it, more than fifty yrs. later.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)a dog, Absolutely misery for I don't remember how long.
drthais
(870 posts)when one of us 'came down with' measles or whatever, she'd just throw us all in one room
so everybody would have it at once!
Laffy Kat
(16,390 posts)My neighbor's kid caught chicken pox and she threw a "lollipop party" for her playgroup. All her mom-friends believed in naturally immunity, so they brought their kids--all around the same age--to my neighbor's house. The moms sat around drinking mimosa's while the sick kid sucked on a lollipop then passed said sucker around to his cohorts. At that time my youngest was almost the same age and she invited us. I declined and was incredulous. (My kids had already been vaccinated anyway.)
Lebam in LA
(1,345 posts)took kids to the infected house and we were all exposed on purpose in the 50's. The only vaccinations we got were small pox and polio. Everyone I knew growing up got measles, mumps and chickenpox on purpose.
Kingofalldems
(38,498 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)It was decided I needed another and another one five years later. Well, I got all three, still going after all these years. There was also a family who got polio in my hometown, the man was a boy scout leader so every one got the polio shot. I want to remind you this was in the time they sterilized the needles for multiple uses, not the nice thin needles in use today. Was it worth it yes and my mom made the decision I would make the same decision today.
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)My parents vaccinated me and the only thing I got was the chicken pox, and they have a vaccine for that now.
I have a "friend" who is an anti-vaxxer and has 5 kids. The kids are always coming down with some type of preventable illness, I think the latest was whooping cough. She and her anti-vaxxer friends always throw a "party" when one of their kids gets sick, so the rest of the kids can contract the illness. I find it rather disturbing.
Arkansas Granny
(31,536 posts)that I was delirious. When she tried to take care of me, I didn't recognize her and would try to get away from her.
I also went to school with kids that wore braces due to polio.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Grandmother had tetanus, they had to strap her to a board.
We don't have those around because we get vaccinated.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)horrifying way to see his brother die.
I had them all and Scarlet Fever. I was sent to my grandparents with the SF to protect my much younger sisters.
My family made you try to eat a pickle to tell if you had the mumps, iirc. I wonder if anyone else has ever heard of that?
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)water tower. They strapped her to a board to keep her back from breaking. My Uncle had a heart murmur, I think from diphtheria.
Scarlet Fever went through our whole school. I was the test case, went through the pealing and the whole thing. The Dr. or nurse came 32 miles from town every day for three weeks to give me a penicillin shot.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)with SF. No one took me to the doctor until after I began peeling and had not gotten much better. 104/105 temps, but they used Aconite to lower fevers. I lost 25 lbs in a month that I didn't need to lose. I remember everything feeling so surreal.
I never want my grand-sons, or anyone, to suffer in such a way.
2naSalit
(86,867 posts)and man did it suck when it was positive!. We all had both measles; mumps; chicken pox... we had those horrible multiple pin-prick vaccinations for smallpox I think or polio... was vaccinated for those... but we had a bunch of kids such that some of us had mumps and chickenpox twice before we were all better. We called the German measles the two week measles and the other kind the three day measles.
Some distant relatives had scarlet fever and polio though. Two who had scarlet fever died rather young from heart failure.
ETA: I had to be vaccinated with the pin-prick stuff twice because an uncle picked me up to say hello during a visit and squashed the blister on my arm, so I have a scar from that on each arm.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)did the nurse get excited. I just didn't know, and thought you were immune after having it. It was, and looked, much worse the second time. It was 1986, iirc.
2naSalit
(86,867 posts)episodes were almost immediate... like within a week because the late infections were still running in the same house, I guess. One sister went from measles to chickenpox while in the examination room at the doctor's. This all happened in the 60s.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The nurse seemed to me to be all dressed in black. She scared me. I thought she was a witch. (I had extremely poor eyesight. I was close to blind, so I probably didn't see that she was a person.) The nurse told me she was going to give me some crackers to eat. But what she gave me was not crackers. It tasted awful. And I was very upset. I don't know whether maybe it was some kind of sulfur medicine. This would have been in the 1940s, maybe 1945, so penicillin was rather new. I would not wish those illnesses on any child if they could be avoided.
The high fevers are not good for children, not good for their eyes or ears or their immune systems contrary to what a lot of crazy people think. And children should not be placed in positions in which they may have to spend time in a hospital. It is awful enough when adults have to go to the hospital. But for a child or infant to have to be away from home and in a hospital for a childhood disease? What a stupid waste.
Vaccinate your children. Please. Those of us who had the diseases wouldn't wish them on anyone. I remember the mumps quite clearly.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)a month of being very ill. This was 1970. It was surreal, but will never forget it. I thought I was dying. Now I have some rare heart issue that likely came from it. My family used Aconite for the high fevers and rarely saw doctors.
I never hesitated to vaccinate my daughter.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)The entire time that he was sick (and long after), my mother kept giving me a pickle to eat every day. I was so little I just thought that I was getting treated extra-special nice or something; we did our own canning and when she brought up the first jar, I was awed that she opened it and handed me a pickle. My folks both watched me devour it and my daddy laughed and said, "Nope, nothing wrong with her!"...I'll never forget that.
I had Scarlet Fever really bad, too, but never did get the Mumps.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Does it hurt to eat a pickle when you've got mumps? Or maybe there's visible reaction?
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)all american girl
(1,788 posts)just the idea of a lemon would send my glads into overdrive
I was in grade school in the 70's. I ended up with the mumps, but not my brother or sister. We all had the chicken pox...like everyone else in my school. When I went off to college, I had to get a redo on my measles.
My poor kids ended up with the chicken pox. My son got it just months before the shot became available where we lived. My daughter got it about a week before her 9th month well baby check-up...the one where she would have gotten the shot. Oh well, at least they were young.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)The vaccine for chicken pox was 1995, my kid was born in 1979, and she had a nasty case of chicken pox the second time she got it.
I would seriously not want those diseases again at 56.
JustAnotherGen
(31,962 posts)Thsnks for this. I wish there had been a chicken pox vaccine when I was a kid - I was but had a bad enough case that I still have a few small scars on my body.
I so won't my mom to get the shingles vaccine and bet your butt when I'm old enough I'm getting it!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)a couple. The husband had shingles and was forgetful due to it. At least that is what I understood.
paleotn
(17,989 posts)...I remember in the 70's, people my parent's age with braces. My aunt died as a child from polio. Luckily I grew up in the days when vaccinations were as automatic as enrolling your kids in 1st grade. The mumps were certainly no fun. No chicken pox vaccine back then and my mom tried for years to get me infected, but to no avail. I guess I'm one of those weirdos with natural immunity...I hope.
shanti
(21,675 posts)vaccination now? An ex bf got chicken pox at 35 and it lasted for 3 weeks. He was miserable...
greatauntoftriplets
(175,756 posts)My sister brought it home from school. Then I gave it to my mother, who was in her late 30s at the time. She was horribly sick with it.
The doctor would never commit to saying I had either the mumps or measles because I had such mild cases. Because it was the pre-vaxx era and it was seen as better to get it over with, my mother used to send me to play with kids who had mumps or measles. She eventually concluded that I had indeed had them despite the doctor, since I never caught them even from fairly close contact.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Chicken pox at 7 months, mumps, and german measles under 2 years old. I was 6 when I had Scarlet Fever. That is the only thing I remember. I am an Only Child so couldn't have gotten any of these from sibling, but I grew up in Manhattan so I was around a lot of other children and adults.
My friends growing up got all these diseases much older than I did. When they had all those parties, I still went. The kids and Moms said I was "cheating" because I couldn't catch anything. Got mad that they got to stay home from school when I didn't, except for Scarlet Fever. I was out for a few months in First Grade. Dad tutored me at home, which I liked.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)I still have my smallpox vaccine.
I wonder if the anti-vaxxers understand that through immunization, we were able to eradicate smallpox so that no one needed to be vaccinated again. Horrific disease, gone. I wonder if they'd risk their kids getting that one.
malaise
(269,225 posts)Never had measles but the entire family caught it after dad came down with it.
We all received the polio vaccine around the same time as you.
I actually got mumps as an adult from some infected puppies I kept alive by feeding with a milk-glucose solution. It was very mild.
We all lived but vaccines have saved millions of lives. Polio is a horrible disease.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)You can also die from these childhood diseases.
Leith
(7,813 posts)One of her earliest childhood memories is being in the hospital being treated when word came that there was a vaccine for it. She gets very angry with anti-vaxxers.
I had measles, mumps, and chicken pox at such a young age that I barely remember them. There are vague memories of having a swollen face and being told not to scratch when I itched. I don't understand how a parent can let their child go through that when it is so preventable.
My husband is not yet 50 (he's several years younger than I am), but he has had shingles twice. Heck if I know why he doesn't get vaccinated. He promised to ask his doctor about getting it next time he goes to see him (yeah, right - we'll see if he "remembers" .
ananda
(28,887 posts)I did get all the available vaccines though --
DPT and polio.
Now Im old, so I got the shingles vaccine a
few years ago, pneumonia and TDAP last year,
and flu last season and this one.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I guess I'll get the shingles vaccine as that sounds like a pretty bad relapse of the chicken pox.
I guess I do worry because I've never official had mumps. Both of my younger brothers got it and I lived in the same room so I'm guessing maybe I had it when I was real young and just didn't know it was that.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)I caught everything at school in the 40's and then brought everything home to my brothers. My mother had to go thru each disease three times. I think the vaccinations are a god send. Now that I am on the other end of things, I have had the shingles shot. I am surprised to realize so many folk do not vaccinate.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)My dad was an Officer in the Air Force and when he was transferred abroad to Germany, and again three years later when we came back, the entire family had to take lots of shots from the Air Force base doctors. My mother didn't like it but there was no choice whatsoever. They were very painful but I'm so glad I was innoculated against polio. One of our neighbors in Wisconsin got it and it did horrible things to one of his arms. I still got measles and chicken pox but I didn't get anything that threatened my life. I never got the mumps.
beveeheart
(1,373 posts)I didn't have them very bad, but my father was bed-ridden for almost 2 weeks. I was 11 and I had never seen him sick before. Years later my Mom explained to me how mumps could "incapacitate" men.
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)...it is better to have mumps when you're young. You can wish or you can do something. Before the American Pharmaceutical Revolution, that meant taking advantage of the outbreak.
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Kingofalldems
(38,498 posts)at the very top of the arm?