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MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:05 AM Feb 2015

The Single BEST thing about the anti-vaxxer caused measles outbreak in Disneyland?

The nation is finally waking up to the fact that anti-vaxxer bullshit is actually criminal child neglect.

Laws will be changed over this and the madness will cease.

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The Single BEST thing about the anti-vaxxer caused measles outbreak in Disneyland? (Original Post) MohRokTah Feb 2015 OP
I wish I had more confidence in our ability haikugal Feb 2015 #1
No YarnAddict Feb 2015 #2
If my unvaccinated child kills an immunocompromised child, is that manslaughter? DetlefK Feb 2015 #6
I don't know YarnAddict Feb 2015 #7
You again. It is child neglect. I said abuse previously, Lucky Luciano Feb 2015 #8
Me again. YarnAddict Feb 2015 #11
A 2.5 year old boy. If parents seriously lack the capacity to Lucky Luciano Feb 2015 #13
Yes MohRokTah Feb 2015 #17
It seems strange to protect animals against disease Downwinder Feb 2015 #3
Howard Dean: Rand Paul's Anti-Vaxxer Remarks Disqualify Him From Becoming President JDDavis Feb 2015 #4
What makes you so sure? davidn3600 Feb 2015 #5
Most people who do not vaccinate do so because of 'faith' not lack of faith. Religious reasons are Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #9
Maybe we should tell them the vaccination will prevent tgeir Lucky Luciano Feb 2015 #18
Might Disneyland 'wise up' and restrict visitors below a certain age without a vaccination? randome Feb 2015 #10
Interesting idea, but YarnAddict Feb 2015 #12
No, no, there wouldn't be any enforcement, just a notice. randome Feb 2015 #14
If we are just going to trust people YarnAddict Feb 2015 #15
Disney may need to do something to reassure people who may now stay away because of the outbreak. randome Feb 2015 #16
Norovirus hasn't significantly hurt the cruise industry davidn3600 Feb 2015 #19

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
1. I wish I had more confidence in our ability
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:10 AM
Feb 2015

To behave in such a rational manner...as it is, not so much.

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
2. No
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:12 AM
Feb 2015

Wrongheaded, yes.

Criminal child neglect, not at all.

The real risk in not vaccinating healthy children is that they could expose immunocompromised children, babies, and unvaccinated pregnant women. Therefore, there is a social responsibility to vaccinate, but they are not neglecting their own healthy children.

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
7. I don't know
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:59 AM
Feb 2015

Maybe. Maybe it depends on the circumstances--if I was quarantining my kid, and an unvaxxed Jehovah's Witness showed up at my door, was exposed to my kid and took it home--then maybe not.

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
11. Me again.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:23 AM
Feb 2015

I guess you see yourself as the final arbiter of how children should be raised.

Do you even have any kids?

Lucky Luciano

(11,258 posts)
13. A 2.5 year old boy. If parents seriously lack the capacity to
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:28 AM
Feb 2015

make intelligent decisions on incredibly important public health issues, then maybe the decision needs to be made for them.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
17. Yes
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:41 AM
Feb 2015

It is criminal child neglect, no different from a Jehovah's witness refusing a blood transfusion for their child.

 

JDDavis

(725 posts)
4. Howard Dean: Rand Paul's Anti-Vaxxer Remarks Disqualify Him From Becoming President
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:17 AM
Feb 2015
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/02/howard-dean-rand-pauls-anti-vaxxer-remarks


video at link


DEAN: I actually believe this disqualifies Rand Paul from becoming President of the United States. If you're a physician and you say what he just said, then you are clearly willing to override any set of facts that you ought to know.

It's one thing for Christie to blunder his way through this and try to pander. For Rand Paul to deny his entire education as a physician, I assume he went to a good medical school and knows something about medicine, that is truly appalling and he, a guy like that should never be let near the White House.
 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
5. What makes you so sure?
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:24 AM
Feb 2015

Just because 100 people get the Measles isn't suddenly going to restore faith and trust in the medical community or the government.

In fact, what are the Freepers blaming? Obama, of course. They say if the borders were secure this wouldn't have happened.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. Most people who do not vaccinate do so because of 'faith' not lack of faith. Religious reasons are
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:19 AM
Feb 2015

the leading international reason for not vaccinating children. Such people had no faith in science to restore, they reject science in favor of faith. They reject the medical community. They always have. It is part of their religion, just as being anti gay is part of their religion. It's not that they 'lost faith in gay people' it's just that their religion teaches them to despise us. And vaccines. Go figure.

Lucky Luciano

(11,258 posts)
18. Maybe we should tell them the vaccination will prevent tgeir
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:54 AM
Feb 2015

Child from being gay. Then their heads might explode while figuring out the "right" course of action.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. Might Disneyland 'wise up' and restrict visitors below a certain age without a vaccination?
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:22 AM
Feb 2015

Of course it wouldn't be enforceable but just hanging a sign out front would ensure that the company isn't liable for this or future outbreaks.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
12. Interesting idea, but
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:26 AM
Feb 2015

I wonder if they could even do that. It would involve checking kids' vaccination records, which seems to be an invasion of medical privacy. And by having not medically trained people doing it and making judgments about whether they are enough just seems--wrong.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
14. No, no, there wouldn't be any enforcement, just a notice.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:30 AM
Feb 2015

Something like "Vaccinations must be current unless determined otherwise by medical reasons." Short and simple, no checking, just a notice to give people cause to think. And for the un-vaccinated to maybe stay the hell away from Disneyland.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
16. Disney may need to do something to reassure people who may now stay away because of the outbreak.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:40 AM
Feb 2015

I don't know if their visitor count will suffer because of this but if I was a corporate board member, I'd at least be concerned that it might.

Telling anti-vaxers, in effect, that they're not welcome at DisneyLand might help make another outbreak less likely, it wouldn't be a certainty of anything.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
19. Norovirus hasn't significantly hurt the cruise industry
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:19 AM
Feb 2015

Measles, and Mumps and the Flu and the Chicken Pox can cause complications and problems. But the vast majority of the time, a person will recover without problems. So people do not have very much fear with these diseases.

This isn't Ebola we are dealing with here.

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