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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRNC Member: Removing Prayer From School Led To 'Assault, Rape, Murder'
By CAITLIN MACNEAL Published FEBRUARY 3, 2015, 11:24 AM EST
A Republican National Committee member from Iowa last week claimed that the end of school prayer led to an uptick in serious crimes committed by students.
RNC committeewoman Tamara Scott on Friday joined the "View From a Pew" radio program to discuss her experience at Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's (R) prayer rally.
"When the prayer came out in the 70s --- and thats one of the things that I prayed for last week in Louisiana with 6,000 people: repentance. Because we as a church should have never have let that happen, we should never have allowed prayer to be taken out of our schools," she said, according to video published by Right Wing Watch.
Scott then cited conservative activist David Barton, claiming that the end of school prayer has hurt the nation.
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NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)You hate Muslims and all other religins and you hate all non white rightwing straight fake christians.
I say fake because you canNOT be what she is and be a christian.
ChosenUnWisely
(588 posts)God even commanded his followers to Rape, Murder and Assault other humans.
So according to her if kids in school don't pray to a god who commands his follower's to Rape, Murder and Assault then the kids will Rape, Murder and Assault anyway without Gods blessing?
ck4829
(35,081 posts)And students can pray, but I guess it's not REAL prayer if the students are being led by the principal and they are all praying to the same god, right?
The ideology of Tamara Scott and David Barton is what you get when you arrive at the intersection of cherry picking and a sensationalist media. You are convinced that the idea that no school-led prayer is a bad, bad thing and you are looking for things to confirm this on one side and on the other you have a media spoonfeeding you stories of wild violence, voila.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Re the horse hockey about the omipresence of prayer in schools in the "old days": My mother was raised in a small town in NW Minnesota in the '30s and '40s (she was born in 1922). They never had prayer in schools in her day. I know because she told me so and thought the idea was ridiculous.
shraby
(21,946 posts)hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Where did you grow up.
shraby
(21,946 posts)Bigmack
(8,020 posts)All denominations..? Satanists?
Satire is wasted on Teapublicans, but....
My favorite "Letter" about school prayer...
"Dear John,
As you know, We've been working real hard in our town to get prayer back in our schools. Finally, the school board approved a plan of teacher-led prayer with the children participating at their own option. Children not wishing to participate were to be allowed to stand out in the hallway during prayer time. We hoped someone would sue us so we could go all the way to the Supreme Court and get the old devil-inspired ruling reversed.
Naturally, we were all excited by the school board action. As you know, our own little Billy (not so little, any more though) is now in the second grade. Of course, Margaret and I explained to him no matter what the other kids did, he was going to stay in the classroom and participate.
After the first day of school, I asked him "How did the prayer time go?"
"Fine."
"Did many kids go out into the hallway?"
"Two".
"Excellent. How did you like your teacher's prayer?"
"It was different, Dad. Real different from the way you pray."
"Oh? Like how?"
"She said, 'Hail Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners...'"
The next day I talked with the principal. I politely explained I wasn't prejudiced against Catholics but I would appreciate Billy bein transferred to a non-Catholic teacher. The principal said it would be done right away.
At supper that evening I asked Billy to say the blessings. He slipped out of his chair, sat cross- legged, closed his eyes, raised his hand palms up in the air and began to hum.
You'd better believe I was at the principal's office at eight o'clock the next morning. "Look," I said. 'I don't really know much about these Transcendental Meditationists, but I would feel a lot more comfortable If you could move Billy to a room where the teacher practices an older, more established religion."
That afternoon I met Billy as soon as he walked in the door after school.
"I don't think you're going to like Mrs. Nakasone's prayer either, Dad."
"Out with it."
"She kept chanting Namu Amida Butsu..."
The following morning I was waiting for the principal in the school parking lot. "Look, I don't want my son praying to the Eternal Spirit of whatever to Buddha. I want him to have a teacher who prays in Jesus' name!"
"What about Bertha Smith?"
"Excellent."
I could hardly wait to hear about Mrs. Smith's prayer. I was standing on the front steps of the school when the final bell rang.
"Well?" I asked Billy as we walked towards the car.
"Okay."
"Okay what?"
"Mrs. Smith asked God to bless us and ended her prayer in Jesus' name, amen just like you."
I breathed a sigh of relief. "Now we're getting some place."
"She even taught us a verse of scripture about prayer," said Billy.
I beamed. "Wonderful. What was the verse?"
"Lets see..." he mused for a moment. "And behold, they began to pray; and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God."
We had reached the car. "Fantastic," I said reaching for the door handle. Then paused. I couldn't place the scripture. "Billy, did Mrs. Smith say what book that verse was from?"
"Third Nephi, chapter 19, verse 18."
"Nephi what?"
"Nephi," he said. "It's in the Book of Mormon.
The school board doesn't meet for a month. I've given Billy very definite instructions that at prayer time each day he's to go out into the hallway. I plan to be at that board meeting. If they don't do something about this situation, I'll sue. I'll take it all the way to the Supreme Court if I have to. I don't need schools or anybody else teaching my son about religion. We can take care of that ourselves at home and at church, thank you very much.
Best Wishes Always,
Bill
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Archae
(46,340 posts)I posted the facts to her.
The fact that God was never taken out of the schools.
MANDATORY religion was.
As one of my teachers said 40 years ago, "As long as there are pop quizzes, there will be prayer in schools."
And there were back then, and there still are, student prayer groups in schools.
But talibornagains like the ditwit in the OP want "the good old days" back, when they could force THEIR religion on all kids in public schools.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I thought I read that somewhere. Just sayin'
tanyev
(42,598 posts)And let the buyer beware.