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NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 08:38 PM Feb 2015

Why using non credible sources is a mistake even if they are accurate.

I see links here to non credible sources such as Daily Mail and others.

Maybe it would be helpful to list here, as McCarthyish as that sounds, sources that have no credibility, either papers or online sources.

Maybe such a list is already here.

I think most people do it innocently, not knowing the link is to a non credible source.

Maybe it isnt the problem I think it is here at DU...

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Why using non credible sources is a mistake even if they are accurate. (Original Post) NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 OP
After reading your OP, I think you're right on two points. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #1
Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #2
Me too. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #4
The Mail leans right, so if they're "opining" one must look askance. MADem Feb 2015 #26
Sorry, but if something is accurate, it's accurate. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #3
+1 btrflykng9 Feb 2015 #6
True, but highly credible sources are better for convincing others of accuracy. MH1 Feb 2015 #43
If a story is accurate and discussion-worthy, you can find it at a respectable source wyldwolf Feb 2015 #5
That is a very slippery slope and it does not end in a good place btrflykng9 Feb 2015 #7
It isn't slippery at all wyldwolf Feb 2015 #8
The better part of news today IS heresay and slander. btrflykng9 Feb 2015 #9
ok, then, how do you know the latest FOX News or Drudge story is 'accurate?' wyldwolf Feb 2015 #11
Every bit of information we get from ANY news source is suspect. We go into it with that btrflykng9 Feb 2015 #12
Vladmir Putin is financing progressive opposition to the Keystone pipeline wyldwolf Feb 2015 #13
I'm not sure what that particular news story or link has to do with a general discussion of btrflykng9 Feb 2015 #15
Read your own OP. The story comes from a non-credible source. THEY believe it's accurate. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #16
Ummm, I didn't write the OP. I responded to the OP. btrflykng9 Feb 2015 #21
Hmm. Then read the op wyldwolf Feb 2015 #23
*Sigh* As long as the post falls within the DU guidelines in terms of being liberal minded and such, btrflykng9 Feb 2015 #24
On the contrary wyldwolf Feb 2015 #25
General consensus does not equal truth btrflykng9 Feb 2015 #34
Has very little to do with 'general consensus.' wyldwolf Feb 2015 #36
I know the drill here with these types of threads and I'm not taking this ridiculous bait btrflykng9 Feb 2015 #37
cop out. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #38
Perhaps there is a better audience for this right wing ideology. It's not me. Bye. btrflykng9 Feb 2015 #39
So it's right wing ideology to discourage posting right wing ideology? wyldwolf Feb 2015 #40
is DU credible then? you can find the latest anti-Hillary screeds right here lol nt msongs Feb 2015 #10
Perhaps you have a list of acceptable sites? Savannahmann Feb 2015 #14
50 of the worst places you could go to get your news & information: wyldwolf Feb 2015 #17
Quoting from "non-credible" sources should not present a problem Maedhros Feb 2015 #18
exactly! Enrique Feb 2015 #32
Some prefer simply to believe what they are told, if the source is one that they've been told Maedhros Feb 2015 #35
Nah...as they say, even a broken clock.... pipoman Feb 2015 #19
Should we really be taking advice from unrepentent car thieves? I mean, credibility and all. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #20
You are lying about me, is that the way you silence someone? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #42
UNREC brooklynite Feb 2015 #22
What, like the National Enquirer breaking the John Edwards scandal? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #27
That's a call to authority fallacy Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #28
+1 btrflykng9 Feb 2015 #29
If it has poor ranking in news.google.com, Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #30
The problem is mainstream sources can lie and mislead in service to power, take the N.Y. Times for dissentient Feb 2015 #31
you never answered the question in your OP Enrique Feb 2015 #33
Credible sources like Judy Miller or Brian Williams? LittleBlue Feb 2015 #41
Last sentence is right on. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #44

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
1. After reading your OP, I think you're right on two points.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 08:52 PM
Feb 2015

1. It is McCarthyish.

2. It's not the problem you think it is.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
4. Me too.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:02 PM
Feb 2015

You can always follow one of those pictures to something interesting. I don't know what the supposed problem with the Daily Mail is anyway. It has some tabloid content, but most news sites have something like that. Nothing wrong with a little fun, as much as some people like to convince us otherwise.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
26. The Mail leans right, so if they're "opining" one must look askance.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 03:21 PM
Feb 2015

They're like the conservative counterpoint to the Guardian, which leans left.

Most publications have a point of view--some show it more than others. And some websites--like the Weekly Standard or the Daily Caller or that Breitbart outlet--revel in their bias. "They're soaking in it!!!" to quote Madge!

So long as the bias is acknowledged I can deal with it--if, though, say The Washington Times is telling all of us what a fine man Jeb Bush is, I'm gonna call pure horseshit on that!

MH1

(17,600 posts)
43. True, but highly credible sources are better for convincing others of accuracy.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 12:59 PM
Feb 2015

That's what I was expecting to find in the o.p. when I clicked on it.

If I see something interesting at a source I don"t consider credible, I go look for it at a credible source.

Lots of accurate things are posted at non-credible sources. But what makes them non-credible is that they also post lots of inaccurate stuff. Without other sources, how do you know which you're looking at?

wyldwolf

(43,870 posts)
5. If a story is accurate and discussion-worthy, you can find it at a respectable source
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:05 PM
Feb 2015

If you can only find the latest anti-Hillary screed at a right-wing owned site, isn't it better to wait until a mainstream source picks it up rather than blow your cover?

Oh, btw, the same source that reported Bill Clinton at Epstein's orgy island (you know, the one some here were cheering over) is now implicating Tipper (yes, Tipper!) and Al Gore.

btrflykng9

(287 posts)
7. That is a very slippery slope and it does not end in a good place
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:20 PM
Feb 2015

Since when does "respectability" (however it is being defined here because I'm not sure) have anything to do with whether something is true or not? It's true or it isn't.

wyldwolf

(43,870 posts)
8. It isn't slippery at all
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:26 PM
Feb 2015

When a story is sourced from a site, paper or network known for their hearsay and slander, one cannot possibly make the case the story is true unless it's also mirrored at a more respectable source. And if that respectable source exists, why not just use that?

No, except for a few innocent mistakes, people who post 'news' from right wing sources are doing it to spread their own viewpoints and sway opinions. in those cases, 'truth' isn't the goal.

btrflykng9

(287 posts)
9. The better part of news today IS heresay and slander.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:32 PM
Feb 2015

The truth is in what's not being said most of the time.

btrflykng9

(287 posts)
12. Every bit of information we get from ANY news source is suspect. We go into it with that
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:42 PM
Feb 2015

understanding. Who ever mentioned either of those two sources being accurate? Not I.

wyldwolf

(43,870 posts)
13. Vladmir Putin is financing progressive opposition to the Keystone pipeline
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:47 PM
Feb 2015

SO FAR one source is reporting this. Should I post the link? Accurate is accurate.

btrflykng9

(287 posts)
15. I'm not sure what that particular news story or link has to do with a general discussion of
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:52 PM
Feb 2015

sources and accuracy. But okay.

wyldwolf

(43,870 posts)
16. Read your own OP. The story comes from a non-credible source. THEY believe it's accurate.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:55 PM
Feb 2015

Should it be posted on DU? Yes or no?

btrflykng9

(287 posts)
24. *Sigh* As long as the post falls within the DU guidelines in terms of being liberal minded and such,
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 02:23 PM
Feb 2015

I don't care if the post comes from a toddler or a prison inmate. As long as the information is valid, that is all I care about.

As so many here have already stated, critical thinking and common sense are what is required. How is this a topic past the age of 18?

Once can reasonably be expected to have enough ability to discern and judge by the time of adulthood to decipher what is to him or her, a valid point, without having to ask someone else first.

wyldwolf

(43,870 posts)
25. On the contrary
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 03:15 PM
Feb 2015

Posts from right wing sources seldom, if ever, give valid information and are a de facto violation of DU's TOS.

btrflykng9

(287 posts)
34. General consensus does not equal truth
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 07:28 PM
Feb 2015

This is how mass brainwashing happens. It is a tactic used by the right and it is an attempt to control others; it has nothing whatsoever to do with a search for truth.

wyldwolf

(43,870 posts)
36. Has very little to do with 'general consensus.'
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 07:55 PM
Feb 2015

If the admins of DU say that DU is a safe haven from right wing propaganda then some here post such garbage under the guise of seeking 'truth' (when, in reality, they're just looking for ways to score political points), they are in violation of the TOS.

Interesting, though, you're defending the use of right wing sources known for brainwashing because to discredit them would be brainwashing.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
14. Perhaps you have a list of acceptable sites?
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:49 PM
Feb 2015

You know like Huffington Post. Oh wait, President Obama told us not to go there. So that site is off the list right?

CNN has reported information that is not welcomed here, so they're off the list. What does that leave? I'm assuming you have a blog or two written by family members that is acceptable.

Better yet, since you're on the book burning and authorized site high horse, you should consider joining a different group.

Perhaps you would feel more comfortable here. http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/should-christian-parents-ban-books

They believe we have a duty to ban books and stuff. So perhaps you would find kindred spirits there that agree with you.

wyldwolf

(43,870 posts)
17. 50 of the worst places you could go to get your news & information:
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:57 PM
Feb 2015

1. Fox News

2. The Rush Limbaugh Show

3. Glenn Beck
4. Savage Nation w/ Michael Savage

5. Alex Jones’ Info Wars...

more.

http://thebigslice2013.org/the-50-worst-places-to-get-your-news-and-information/

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
18. Quoting from "non-credible" sources should not present a problem
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:58 PM
Feb 2015

to those with critical thinking skills. If what is quoted/linked makes sense, then it will bear analysis. If it doesn't make sense, it won't.

That applies to every source, even the "credible" ones like the New York Times.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
35. Some prefer simply to believe what they are told, if the source is one that they've been told
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 07:54 PM
Feb 2015

is "right."

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
19. Nah...as they say, even a broken clock....
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:13 PM
Feb 2015

I choose to not completely discount any source because of the source. I can discern truth from fiction better by not dismissing sources.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
42. You are lying about me, is that the way you silence someone?
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 12:54 PM
Feb 2015

You know god damn well I never stole a car or said I stole a car, so why lie about me?

I think I know why...

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
22. UNREC
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:50 PM
Feb 2015

Feel free to call on people not to use sources you don't like. Don't title your OP "Why using non credible sources is a mistake" and then never explain why it's a mistake.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
27. What, like the National Enquirer breaking the John Edwards scandal?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 03:22 PM
Feb 2015

Wasn't it several days before 'reputable' sources carried the story? The story was accurate during those days, whether or not the Enquirer is 'reputable'.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
28. That's a call to authority fallacy
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 04:05 PM
Feb 2015

Truth is truth no matter who speaks it, likewise with falsehoods. Credibility is utterly subjective, based on the willingness of the audience to believe that the source is telling the truth.

Many sources that a typical person would consider highly credible have track records of intentional deception, some quite lengthy. And every source no matter how much integrity they have will make unintentional errors from time to time.

The credibility of a source can be a useful tool in analyzing the veracity of information, but it is not in and of itself a useful guide to determining whether a particular claim is true or false.

A well-known example would be the National Enquirer and the John Edwards infidelity scandal. If you dismissed the story out of hand based on the source, you missed out on a story of significant national impact.

 

dissentient

(861 posts)
31. The problem is mainstream sources can lie and mislead in service to power, take the N.Y. Times for
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 07:15 PM
Feb 2015

example, and their cheer leading for Bush and the Iraq war.

And the N.Y. Times is about as mainstream as they come.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
44. Last sentence is right on.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 01:01 PM
Feb 2015

There's already plenty of suppression of facts from disfavored sources, but it's usually expressed in less candid terms.

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