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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts) Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:03 PM Feb 2015

Anyone at risk of being captured by ISIS should be provided with a cyanide capsule.

A suicide pill (also known as the cyanide pill, kill-pill, lethal pill, Death-pill, or L-pill) is a pill, capsule, ampoule or tablet containing a fatally poisonous substance that a person ingests deliberately in order to quickly commit suicide. Military and espionage organizations have provided their agents in danger of being captured by the enemy with suicide pills and devices which can be used in order to avoid an imminent and far more unpleasant death (such as through torture), or to ensure that he/she cannot be interrogated and forced to disclose secret information[citation needed]. As a result, lethal pills have important psychological value to persons carrying out missions with a high risk of capture and interrogation.[1] The option to kill oneself in such extreme circumstances is generally recognized by society as a form of rational suicide.

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During World War II, British and American secret services developed the "L-pill" (lethal pill) which was given to agents going behind enemy lines. It was an oval capsule, approximately the size of a pea, consisting of a thin-walled glass ampoule covered in brown rubber (to protect against accidental breakage) and filled with a concentrated solution of potassium cyanide. It could be carried in the mouth, shaped as a false tooth; if it was accidentally swallowed it would pass harmlessly through the body. To use, the agent would bite down on the pill, crushing the ampoule to release the fast-acting poison. Brain death occurs within minutes and the heartbeat stops shortly after.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_pill

Probably an unpleasant death, but fairly quick, and vastly preferable to weeks or months of torture and interrogation followed by an excruciating beheading, burning, or whatever those disgusting animals come up with next.

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Anyone at risk of being captured by ISIS should be provided with a cyanide capsule. (Original Post) Nye Bevan Feb 2015 OP

Anyone financing ISIS should be given a cyanide pill. Bye bye Saudi and Qatari elites. leveymg Feb 2015 #1

Most of their funding has come from stolen oil fields and refineries Warpy Feb 2015 #2

If you believe that, I'll sell you a bridge across the Sinai desert. leveymg Feb 2015 #3

While Saudi seed money got them going Warpy Feb 2015 #4

The same Saudis and Qataris are still funding ISIS, just as they supported AQ. leveymg Feb 2015 #5

leveymg

(36,418 posts)

1. Anyone financing ISIS should be given a cyanide pill. Bye bye Saudi and Qatari elites.

Reply to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:08 PM

Feb 2015

If one chooses to go back a year or two, bye bye Turkish, American and NATO intelligence agencies.

Where does that leave us with this? I'm afraid distributing poison pills to pilots won't solve the problem.

Warpy

(111,339 posts)

2. Most of their funding has come from stolen oil fields and refineries

Reply to leveymg (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 4, 2015, 12:45 AM

Feb 2015

Since oil can be bought and sold ten times over before it gets on a boat and again when it's crossing the ocean and again when it leaves the refinery, there is no way to know who is funding ISIS. It might be you. It might be me.

However, I do think anyone at risk of being captured by those criminals and held for ransom that is unlikely to be paid deserves the option of a cyanide pill. It's nasty but not nearly as nasty as being burned to death.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)

3. If you believe that, I'll sell you a bridge across the Sinai desert.

Reply to Warpy (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:49 AM

Feb 2015

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If we were really trying to cut off ISIS funding at its source, wouldn't we be bombing both the oil facilities and the glass towers of Jeddah and Doha? Think about it.

To a limited extent, there has been a degree of retribution against some of the younger Saudi princes identified by Zubaydeh as being close to 9/11 AQ funding chain - including sons of the present King and of the former Ambassador (and head of Saudi GID intelligence), Prince Turki. See, this exhibit page in the ongoing lawsuit: https://archive.org/stream/423206-fls-0-2012cv61735-complaint/423206-fls-0-2012cv61735-complaint_djvu.txt

Hunton & Williams LLP

Case 0:12-cv-61735-WJZ Document 1 Entered on FLSD Docket 09/05/2012 Page 10 of 25

28. Other Saudi government sources have reported that Prince Fahd bin Salman died
suddenly at the age of 46 on July 24, 2001, shortly before the 9/1 1 attacks. Royal Embassy of
Saudi Arabia, Prince Fahd bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Dies in Riyadh, July 25, 2001,
http://www.saudiembassy.net/ archive/2001/news/page246.aspx.

29. Summers asserted in his book that John Kiriakou, a former CIA counterterrorism
officer, told him that Abu Zubaydah, a senior Osama bin Laden aide who the United States had
captured and waterboarded at least 83 times, named Prince Ahmed bin Salman as one of several
Saudi princes who was supporting al-Qaeda. The Eleventh Day at 418-19.

30. After Zubaydah reportedly identified Prince Ahmed bin Salman as supporting al-
Qaeda, the Saudi government reported that the Prince died of an alleged heart attack on July 22,
2002. See Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia, Death of Prince Ahmad bin Salman Announced,
July 22, 2002, http://www.saudiembassy.net/archive/2002/ news/Page246.aspx (reporting the
prince's death).

31. Within days of Prince Ahmed bin Salman's reported death, the Saudi government
reported that two other Saudi princes whom Zubaydah had named as supporting al-Qaeda also
died: Prince Sultan bin Faisal died in an alleged car accident, Royal Embassy of Saudi
Arabia, Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki Killed in Car Accident, July 23, 2002,
http://www.saudiembassy.net/archive/2002/news/Page245.aspx (reporting the prince's death);
and 25-year-old Prince Fahd bin Turki died of alleged dehydration in the Saudi desert, Royal
Embassy of Saudi Arabia, Desert Tragedy Kills Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud Al-Kabeer,
July 29, 2002, http://www.saudiembassy.net/archive/2002/news/ Page236.aspx (reporting the
prince's death).

Warpy

(111,339 posts)

4. While Saudi seed money got them going

Reply to leveymg (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 4, 2015, 02:17 PM

Feb 2015

it took oil money to fund a land war.

What you're citing is Saudi support of al Qaeda, something that is well known. Terrorism is far cheaper than funding a land war.

Again, their major funding comes from the sale of stolen oil. Why do you think you're enjoying all those low gas prices?

leveymg

(36,418 posts)

5. The same Saudis and Qataris are still funding ISIS, just as they supported AQ.

Reply to Warpy (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 4, 2015, 02:28 PM

Feb 2015

ISIS is really AQ metasticized into a larger Sunni militia that has subsumed most of the rest of the armed opposition in Syria. If you won't believe me, just GOOGLE.

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