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malaise

(269,157 posts)
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 02:29 PM Feb 2015

I have a question for DU

If the pilot was killed at the beginning of January, how did Fox just happen to have that video in time for the Jordanian king's visit with the the US President? How did the king just happen to be in America in time for the release of that video?

Obama hosted Abdullah at the White House for a hastily arranged meeting, hours after a video emerged online purportedly showing 26-year-old Lt. Muath Al-Kaseasbeh burned to death by the militant group. Abdullah, who was on a previously scheduled trip to Washington, arrived after nightfall and made no remarks to reporters as he and Obama sat side by side in the Oval Office.


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article9076286.html#storylink=cpy

Pardon me but I'm a very suspicious and cynical 'almost senior citizen'.
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I have a question for DU (Original Post) malaise Feb 2015 OP
It seems possible that the video was obtained weeks ago. leveymg Feb 2015 #1
Yes indeed malaise Feb 2015 #2
My guess is that the King of Jordan came to talk it the president his ally to tell him what they jwirr Feb 2015 #9
ISIS and Boko Haram share funding sources: Saudi and Gulf elites. Can't do anything about either leveymg Feb 2015 #19
A very good place to start. Thank you. jwirr Feb 2015 #23
So you're thinking that Fox set up and filmed the pilot's murder and held it long enough to Fuzzy Slipper Feb 2015 #3
Huh??? n/t malaise Feb 2015 #5
ISIS has a very effective propaganda and recruitment team and capabale ingeligence ability. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #4
Any propoganda that's this "effective" malaise Feb 2015 #6
So you are saying people in the middle east aren't smart enough to do good intelligence work? Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #10
Let me tell you something - on any given hour of the day malaise Feb 2015 #11
So you don't want to answer that question. Do you think people of that region are somehow inferior? Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #12
They can develop anything they want malaise Feb 2015 #13
Because it is newsworthy? Throd Feb 2015 #16
A group of extremist have taken advantage of civil war and Iraqi mismanagement to create new country Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #21
I think ISIS made sure Fox got the full video first. And they were right to do it it seems. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #7
Do you remember all the lies leading up to the illegal war against Iraq malaise Feb 2015 #17
Can you provide a record of when Fox obtained the video? Throd Feb 2015 #8
Huh?? n/t malaise Feb 2015 #14
Have they been sitting on it, or did they release it soon after obtaining it? Throd Feb 2015 #18
I think you're overthinking it sharp_stick Feb 2015 #15
Wasn't it obvious way before a month that he was not alive? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #20
There is this ... GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #22
I have a question - what has Fox got to do with this? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #24
Because ISIS was playing games while bargaining with Jordan. Daemonaquila Feb 2015 #25
Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best one. Adsos Letter Feb 2015 #26
Because that's when the video was released!! Yo_Mama Feb 2015 #27

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. It seems possible that the video was obtained weeks ago.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 02:35 PM
Feb 2015

The timing of the King of Jordan's quiet visit likely is no coincidence. We're about to see a much more active US and NATO role in Syria and Iraq. Much of the basing for an expanded attack would be in Jordan. Where that goes is a matter of informed speculation, but to be skeptical, ISIS may not be the only target of a military intervention. The confluence of events is troubling, to say the least.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
9. My guess is that the King of Jordan came to talk it the president his ally to tell him what they
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 02:59 PM
Feb 2015

were going to do in retaliation for the killing of the pilot. I think we are about to escalate the attacks on ISIS.

Was talking with my daughter about things like this and we ended up agreeing that there are two things that have to be addressed. I hate war but the mess in Nigeria is one issue that I think we need to address - heard later that African's themselves are going to take this on. Good for them.

The other issue is ISIS. Bush created them and now they are not just threatening people in the ME but everywhere in the world. Our allies in the ME and the countries that have already had attacks need to step up and help us stop this.

These two issues IMO are not going away by themselves and they are only going to get worse.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
19. ISIS and Boko Haram share funding sources: Saudi and Gulf elites. Can't do anything about either
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 03:30 PM
Feb 2015

terrorist group without cutting off the money that fuels both groups at its source. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/paying-for-terrorism-where-does-boko-haram-gets-its-money-from-9503948.html

The connection between Boko Haram and al-Qa’ida – and its money – perhaps deepened when Yusuf fled to Saudi Arabia to escape one of Nigeria’s first crackdowns on the terrorist group. It remains unclear what happened while he was in Saudi Arabia, or who he met, but Boko Haram leaders have later said that much of their funding comes from al-Qa’ida. A Boko Haram spokesman said in 2011: “Al-Qa’ida are our elder brothers. We enjoy financial and technical support from them. Anything we want from them we ask them.”

 

Fuzzy Slipper

(25 posts)
3. So you're thinking that Fox set up and filmed the pilot's murder and held it long enough to
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 02:42 PM
Feb 2015

Try to embarress Obama and the King?

I can see that.

Maybe that's what pissed off Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal and caused him to dump his Newscorp stock too.

Billionaire Alwaleed Sells $190 Million News Corp Stake


(Bloomberg) -- Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal’s investment firm sold a stake valued at almost $190 million in News Corp., reducing its holding in Rupert Murdoch’s media company to about 1 percent.
Alwaleed’s Kingdom Holding cut its ownership of Class B shares to 2 million from 13.2 million, or 6.6 percent, it said in a statement to the Saudi bourse Wednesday. The sale generated 705 million riyals ($188 million), which will be used for other investments, it said. Through Kingdom, Prince Alwaleed holds stakes in companies including Citigroup Inc. and Twitter Inc.
Alwaleed, who had the second-largest holding of voting stock in News Corp. after the Murdoch family, has been a staunch ally of the media baron. He publicly supported the family’s running of News Corp. amid phone-hacking revelations in 2011 that saw the New York-based company abandon its bid to take over the rest of European pay-TV operator Sky Plc.


All in all very convenient timing.

Good catch.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
4. ISIS has a very effective propaganda and recruitment team and capabale ingeligence ability.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 02:46 PM
Feb 2015

So likely they new that King Abdullah was traveling to the US and released he video for maximum effect.

ISIS can also play Fox like fucking fiddle.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
6. Any propoganda that's this "effective"
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 02:49 PM
Feb 2015

usually has close links to Western intelligence.


From day one I smelled a rat re this ISIS business.
Time solves all problems - truth will out. I'll wait this one out.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
11. Let me tell you something - on any given hour of the day
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 03:05 PM
Feb 2015

people with agendas decide what we will see as NEWS.
Anything receiving this amount of attention is being driven by some big players' agenda.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
12. So you don't want to answer that question. Do you think people of that region are somehow inferior?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 03:11 PM
Feb 2015

So that they can not develop agendas of their own. That they can not decide to go to war without the "West" manipulating them like puppets.

That is a pretty staggering conspiracy. That only western establishments are capable of doing terrible things.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
13. They can develop anything they want
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 03:20 PM
Feb 2015

but it is your corporate media who is covering it non-stop. Maybe you should ask why.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
21. A group of extremist have taken advantage of civil war and Iraqi mismanagement to create new country
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 03:45 PM
Feb 2015

that openly claims to lead every Suni Muslim and intends to kill every Shia Muslim because Shia have left the true faith. They have created an effective multi-medial recruitment systems that preys on the poor and the mistreated, and send them to die on battlefields in Syria and Iraq. They have successfully directed attacks in Egypt, Europe and Australia, and are calling for attacks everywhere, including Saudi Arabia. They have specifically said they will attack the US in New York.

They rule by terror. Murder anyone of a different religion, convince young girls to come there and them turn over to their fighters as concubines.

This is a really big story that is being covered internationally because it touches nations on four continents and millions of people.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. I think ISIS made sure Fox got the full video first. And they were right to do it it seems.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 02:51 PM
Feb 2015

Could have been in a lock box in New York, waiting for Fox to pick it up and spread it instantly no matter what the other media did.

A Sleeper Box.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
18. Have they been sitting on it, or did they release it soon after obtaining it?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 03:26 PM
Feb 2015

Without a delivery date to Fox, everything is just speculation.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
15. I think you're overthinking it
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 03:21 PM
Feb 2015

ISIS killed him at the beginning of January but was holding it back in order to try and win the release of one or two fellow nutjobs in Jordan.

Jordan was open to trading prisoners to get the pilot back but demanded proof of life which the scumbags couldn't produce because they already killed the guy.

When it became obvious that they weren't going to get what they wanted they published the images and video via their normal channels of assholes. The video was widely available on Youtube and other sites before Faux news decided to help them out and show them on their fake news channel.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
20. Wasn't it obvious way before a month that he was not alive?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 03:37 PM
Feb 2015

And the execution of the two Jordanian ISIS fighters was not retaliation, the executions were already scheduled to hang long ago according to law, it was delayed pending the negotiations.

The female prisoner executed had been on death row for her part in a 2005 bombing in Jordan.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
24. I have a question - what has Fox got to do with this?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 04:41 PM
Feb 2015

A typical report of the release of the video on social media says nothing at all about Fox:

The Islamic State released a video on Tuesday that purports to show a Jordanian pilot, Lt. Muath al-Kaseasbeh, being burned alive by his captors.

According to the SITE monitoring group, which follows militant Web sites, the 22-minute video, titled “Healing of the Believers’ Chests,” was released on social media even as Jordan struggled to learn his fate.

Shortly after the video appeared online, Jordanian state TV reported that the pilot was killed on Jan. 3. It gave no further details on how the date was determined, but it suggested that it was new information because Jordanian officials sought “proof of life” evidence from the Islamic State as recently as earlier this week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2015/02/03/islamic-state-video-appears-to-show-burning-death-of-jordanian-pilot/?tid=sm_tw


Are you saying that it was Fox that first put the video on the internet for public access, not IS? If so, how do we know that?
 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
25. Because ISIS was playing games while bargaining with Jordan.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 05:44 PM
Feb 2015

Remember, ISIS, Jordan, and Japan were in talks to do a prisoner swap. The pilot was one of the people Jordan demanded to swap for the Jordanian prisoners. However, Jordan was demanding proof of life, and was getting nothing from ISIS. (Now, we obviously understand why that was the case - they had killed him weeks earlier.) Suddenly the Japanese hostage is murdered, and then the video is released. Apparently they were trying to bluff until they could no longer maintain the fiction that the pilot was alive.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
27. Because that's when the video was released!!
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 08:07 PM
Feb 2015

Everyone had it when it was released.

ISIS was bargaining for something it wanted by pretending that the pilot was still alive, and when they couldn't achieve anything without proof that he was, they released the video.

It's not FOX that released the video - it's the Islamic State of Snuff Flicks that released the video. Fox just apparently aired it, which I think was wrong.

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