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RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:40 PM Feb 2015

Vaccines

One the one hand vaccines are proven to be beneficial.

On the other vaccines are known to be injurious to some partakers.

Think about it like this: Cars in our society are quite beneficial. Cars also are quite deadly in some cases. We are not about to outlaw cars, are we? Nor are we going to make car manufacturers pay an outright fee for the damage their products cause.

The best we can do is keep talking about the problems and pray our government regulates as best it can so damages are limited.

Remember the days car makers claimed that air bags were not going to do any good?

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Vaccines (Original Post) RobertEarl Feb 2015 OP
if a child has a legitimate medical reason to not get a vaccine, they shouldn't. Godhumor Feb 2015 #1
You forget feelings and delicate sensibilities. Glassunion Feb 2015 #2
Yep RobertEarl Feb 2015 #4
Remember the days car makers claimed that air bags were not going to do any good? Saboburns Feb 2015 #3
Thing is RobertEarl Feb 2015 #6
The odds of dying in a car crash are significantly higher... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #5
Also, starfish. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #7
Sea stars are still dieing RobertEarl Feb 2015 #8
Thanks, I needed a good laugh. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #9
That's weird RobertEarl Feb 2015 #10
Nope, not doing this with you again. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #11
Don't blame ya RobertEarl Feb 2015 #12
I really should learn to stop feeding the trolls. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #13
You gonna stop eating? RobertEarl Feb 2015 #14
they do regulate vaccines CreekDog Feb 2015 #15
Of course they do RobertEarl Feb 2015 #16

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
1. if a child has a legitimate medical reason to not get a vaccine, they shouldn't.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:45 PM
Feb 2015

Only exception.

There is no other valid argument at all to say a child shouldn't be vaccinated. There is no gray area.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
4. Yep
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:56 PM
Feb 2015

Therefore government should be doing every thing it can to make sure all vaccines are as safe as possible.

The CDC asked that Thimerosal be removed from some vaccines for that very reason. But still allowing it in others?

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
3. Remember the days car makers claimed that air bags were not going to do any good?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:55 PM
Feb 2015

Yeah, they remind me of people who tie themselves in knots posting silly allegories berating vaccinations.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
6. Thing is
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:01 PM
Feb 2015

Corporations are known for not having the best interests of the public in mind when making profitable decisions. The republicans hate government regulating any such decisions.

Unfortunately, given the hige private involvement in public health decisions, we face the same mindset as the car makers had at one time.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
5. The odds of dying in a car crash are significantly higher...
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:59 PM
Feb 2015

than the odds of suffering an adverse vaccine reaction. The odds of an adverse vaccine reaction are roughly one in a million. The odds of dying of measles in an unvaccinated population? Two hundred out of every million cases (per US data on fatality rate of measles from 1985-1992).

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
8. Sea stars are still dieing
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:28 PM
Feb 2015

In fact, there are quite a few other mortality events of much pacific sea life on the west coast.

See Enenews.com for credible mainstream media reports linked there.

Thanks for reminding me why I am an anti-Nuclear Dem!

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
10. That's weird
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:39 PM
Feb 2015

You laughing at dead sea life.

The head of the US nuclear navy had this to say about nukes:

Adm.Hyman Rickover, the Father of the Nuclear Navy and of Shippensport nuclear reactor. In the twilight of his career, he testified before Congress in January 1982. Below is an excerpt from his testimony. Given who this man was and what he did, his statements were profound.

Here’s an excerpt from Rickover’s testimony:

“I’ll be philosophical. Until about two billion years ago, it was impossible to have any life on earth; that is, there was so much radiation on earth you couldn’t have any life — fish or anything. Gradually, about two billion years ago, the amount of radiation on this planet and probably in the entire system reduced and made it possible for some form of life to begin…

Now when we go back to using nuclear power, we are creating something which nature tried to destroy to make life possible… Every time you produce radiation, you produce something that has a certain half-life, in some cases for billions of years.

I think the human race is going to wreck itself, and it is important that we get control of this horrible force and try to eliminate it… I do not believe that nuclear power is worth it if it creates radiation.

Then you might ask me why do I have nuclear powered ships. That is a necessary evil. I would sink them all. Have I given you an answer to your question?”

On the hazards of nuclear power.
Testimony to Congress (28 January 1982);
published in Economics of Defense Policy:
Hearing before the Joint Economic Committee,
Congress of the United States, 97th Cong., 2nd sess., Pt. 1 (1982)

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http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hyman_G._Rickover

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
15. they do regulate vaccines
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:53 PM
Feb 2015

if your premise is that the government doesn't regulate vaccines, then you should just delete your OP and write a new one that includes a valid premise.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
16. Of course they do
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:02 PM
Feb 2015

Like they regulate air and water pollution. And the NRC regulates nukes: Badly.

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