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By Patrick Thibodeau
Computerworld | Feb 4, 2015 12:06 PM PT
Information technology workers at Southern California Edison (SCE) are being laid off and replaced by workers from India. Some employees are training their H-1B visa holding replacements, and many have already lost their jobs.
The employees are upset and say they can't understand how H-1B guest workers can be used to replace them.
The IT organization's "transition effort" is expected to result in about 400 layoffs, with "another 100 or so employees leaving voluntarily," SCE said in a statement. The "transition," which began in August, will be completed by the end of March, the company said.
"They are bringing in people with a couple of years' experience to replace us and then we have to train them," said one longtime IT worker. "It's demoralizing and in a way I kind of felt betrayed by the company."
SCE, Southern California's largest utility, has confirmed the layoffs and the hiring of Infosys, based in Bangalore, and Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) in Mumbai. They are two of the largest users of H-1B visas.
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Fuzzy Slipper
(25 posts)We had goddamned well better hope that the Democrats retain the White House and regain congress to thwart the flow of immigrants both legal and illegal.
I really don't give a shit about their effing votes! They don't do anybody any good if nobody has a good paying job.
OLDMADAM
(82 posts)I find it remarkable that my first response was outrage about how our current immigration policies have resulted in this kind of unmitigated disasters.. I expect it from the GOP, and that includes the Bush's, but we have held the balance of power for most of the past 10 years..
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)oops, sorry, I went off topic
trumad
(41,692 posts)FSogol
(45,488 posts)Not sure how having the WH for 6 years = balance of power for 10 years
Especially if you take into account the condition of the economy and US standing worldwide following the disasterous Bush years?
Bandit
(21,475 posts)We have not held the balance of Power. PERIOD
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)used to import cheap labor for the tech industry.
The democrats are enabling it and aren't going to do anything to stop it.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)"The majority of the H-1B program is now being used to replace Americans and facilitate the offshoring of high wage jobs," Hira said.
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2879083/southern-california-edison-it-workers-beyond-furious-over-h-1b-replacements.html
Duh. And no one gives a shit, suckers. Not the political parties who are selling you down the river, not your fellow workers (who apparently care only about their little purviews), and not the American public as a whole.
Suck it up and get used to the new low-wage reality and the spreading ghettoization of the USA.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)fuck them all
IronLionZion
(45,452 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)but every H1B thread on DU, idiots show up claiming how this is good because H1B "talent' is, you know, NEEDED - how it LIFTS other countries! They are full of SHIT.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)An H1B visa is only allowed to be given, by law, if the visa holder supplies a skill difficult to find domestic workers for hire.
How fucking difficult can it be to find a domestic worker to do the job when you already have domestic workers doing the job?!? If these existing workers can't do the job, why would they be using them to train their replacements?
"I want you to learn everything you can from this guy. Sure, he's such an idiot that I had to hire you to replace him. But I still want him to teach you because ... stuff."
In what world does that make a lick of sense?
I don't think you'll see the defenders on this one, Skittles. The defenders can make arguments for filling new positions (I disagree, but they can certainly fit a spin in there). The facts in this case make any defense impossible.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)anyone working in IT can tell you all about that so-called "talent"
IronLionZion
(45,452 posts)They have ways of getting around it, and good luck proving it in court. Do you have evidence to support it?
Visa workers are easier to control, easier to fire or transfer, easier to be made to work unreasonable hours for very little benefits and no job security, and simply less demanding than Americans. Culturally, the people on visas will love to tell you during interviews about how many hours they work. Hours and hours and hours. Lots of hours. I'm wary of workers who focus on hours instead of results.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)With you there! I'm 53, so lived through the "80 hours and loving it" era. I found those people came in the following categories:
- 10 hours work and 70 hours of talk. The workplace was their hangout and co-workers their friends.
- 80 hours trying to look busy because they really didn't know what they were doing.
- 10 hours getting it done, 10 hours breaking it because they could get it to perform 0.0000000001% faster, 10 hours fixing the break, 10 hours breaking it again because they had another great idea, 10 hours fixing the break....
In the meantime there was the "40 hours and hating it" group who made things that actually worked. And got it done on time.
pa28
(6,145 posts)I love those.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)people. Over & over.
FYI~
^^^This person could be our next president.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)race is shaping up to be.
salin
(48,955 posts)The stated purpose (and push for ever expanding numbers of special visas) is to alleviate hardships for companies because the US is not producing enough qualified highly skilled labor. This, and many other documented cases, proves the "need" is not there. This is displacing highly skilled labor. This is about increasing profits by cutting costs.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)(Gates!) or a neoliberal politico (all Dem leaders besides Warren); sometimes though it's ideological--someone who believes that massive arts and humanities funding is crippling science classes in the high schools, or something like that (no, seriously!)
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)IT corporations don't give a rats ass about people, just the bottom line and a continuing profit margin. My advice is find small companies that only need ONE IT person. Get 5 or 6 clients and you are golden.
pa28
(6,145 posts)At least that's what Jeff Immelt and Mark Zuckerberg told Obama.
If you are training your own replacement there is not a "skills shortage". The only "shortage" here is of skilled people willing to work for $12 an hour.
No wonder we can't find anybody willing to vote for us at election time.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)fundamentally destroys the entire premise on which the H1B program is based.
Namely, the immigrants taking the jobs don't have the skills that the citizens they displace already have. Once you understand this, you know what the real motivation is: suppressing wages.
Now if we could get some liberal attention to the blue collar workers for whom this has been a reality for 30 years.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)to bolster the jobs numbers? My guess, "Yes".
I feel so sorry for the ones having to train their 'replacements'. I don't think I could do that although I suppose it's a paycheck. Too bad the replaced employees of SCE didn't just leave the job and let tptb figure out the training.
Edit: This is snarky of me however, I want to know if the new replacements are vaccinated?
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)How the hell is this considered safe and advisable.
There's a thriller movie script right there
Largest utility company in a large state fires Americans and hires from India and one of those workers ends up being a mole who uses their position to fry the infrastructure.