I'll be surprised if it has 30 votes when I come back tomorrow.

and absolutely shocked that the world stood by while it was done on such a large scale.

Is that the only input you have to provide?

Explain your "other" proposition...

The message is "ISIS is Nazi Germany".

My response to the OP: I think the US invasion of Iraq was more similar to Nazi Germany than ISIS is.

I speculate that the person who started this poll is also a Chris Kyle fan, who coincidentally used imagery which he copied from the Nazis for his logo.

Using its own kind of false equivalency.

The question exists in a vacuum. Those projecting current events on the question and failing to answer it are cowards afraid to accept the pitiful false equivalency used to dismiss ISIS.

As far as your conjecture about the OP, no.

But since this is very much an agenda driven poll, I'm not going to participate in it.

This was rw radio all day, by the way.

Fucking morons

kurt blome

Kurt Blome was a high-ranking Nazi scientist before and during the Second World War. He was a deputy of the Reich Health Leader (Reichsgesundheitsführer) and Plenipotentiary for Cancer Research in the Reich Research Council. Blome captured the spirit of his medical identity in an autobiographical book, Arzt im Kampf (Physician in Struggle), in which he exuberantly equated medical and military power in their battle for life and death.

Blome had been arrested on 17 May 1945 by an agent of the United States Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC, an army intelligence service) in Munich, and he had no papers except his driving licence. After some weeks of custody, in which the CIC checked on his identity, Blome was taken to the Kransberg Castle (medieval castle north of Frankfurt) by an escort.

A few days after his arrival at the castle a secret message was transmitted to the ALSOS mission, an Anglo-American team of experts, whose order was to investigate the state of German and Italian weapons technology towards end of war:

"In 1943 Blome was studying bacteriological warfare, although officially he was involved in cancer research, which was however only a camouflage. Blome additionally served as deputy health minister of the Reich. Would like you to send investigators?"

Blome admitted that he had been ordered in 1943 to experiment with plague vaccines on concentration camp prisoners. He was tried at the Doctors' Trial in 1947 on charges of practicing euthanasia (extermination of sick prisoners), and conducting experiments on humans. Although acquitted, his earlier admissions were well known, and it was generally accepted that he had indeed participated in the gruesome experiments (there is evidence that Blome experimented with Sarin gas on Auschwitz prisoners).

It is believed that American intervention saved Blome from the gallows. In return Blome agreed to provide information to the Americans about his experiments in Dachau and advice in the development of their own germ warfare program. Two months after his Nuremberg acquittal, Blome was transferred to the USA (see Operation Paperclip) and interviewed at Camp David, Maryland about biological warfare. In 1951, he was hired by the U.S. Army Chemical Corps to work on chemical warfare. His file neglected to mention Nuremberg.

Eventually, Blome was arrested by French authorities, convicted of war crimes, and sentenced to 20 years in prison.

Fail.

Nazi Germany was a threat to America, ISIS is not. In fact I bet the whole "they hate us for our freedoms" crowd would leave us alone if we just left them alone.

I've heard statements like yours made many times since I was a little kid watching The Big Picture reruns of WWII newsreels.

I think peoples' understanding about how such threats come to awareness would be benefited by getting beyond an oft repeated meme and down into the specific nature/structure and timing of the threats against the US.

If Germany defeated Great Briton and Russia, they would have had the manpower pool, natural resources and manufacturing base to pose a real threat to America.

By 1945, Germany had jet fighters, theater range ballistic missiles and snorkel submarines. And remember, Germany had a small, but very effective navy. Given a few years breathing room, Germany could have retooled and rebuilt to the point where they could have cleared the Atlantic and actually invaded America.

We defeated Germany by throwing massive amount of men and material at them until they were overwhelmed. Can you imagine if Germany had the material and manpower advantage conquering Europe would have given them?

And, no, I do not believe Hitler would have conquered Europe and called it a day. "Today Germany, tomorrow the world!" was more than just a catchy campaiin slogan.

By 1945...all the rationales end up being framed around the experiences of America already being engaged in war which really creates a problem of post hoc-proctor hoc for explaining the threats that took America to war.

You argument about having modern war-fighting capability applied to the contemporary world would mean the US is threatened by scores of nations. I don't think we live under that sort of real threat.

Roosevelt saw threats, as did others, in the mid to late 1930's but they had real difficulty explaining to Congress and the nation why they thought the US should be involved in a European war because much of the nation didn't see the threat in the way the Roosevelt administration supposedly did.

It's not at all clear that the threats to the US from Germany can be encapsulated as merely claiming 'obvious' dangers of fascism. The US didn't go to war with fascist/phalangist Spain. The fascist dictator put in place by the Spanish civil war, Franco, ruled until the 1970's...during which time the US military built and operated bases in Spain, such as the one at Zaragazo, built in 1954 that served both NATO and US interests.

I got in to the weeds with discussing equipment etc. Short answer: Germany was hell bent on global domination (aren't we all) AND was the most technically advanced nation in the world, with a very industrialized economy.

So, unlike ISIS. Germany had the wherewith all to coming very close to achieving their goals. I see no way for ISIS to conquer the US.

though Hitler attempted to be clever in this...punishing those who pushed the Treaty of Versailles, seeking ethnic German connections in the lands targeted for assimilation, while claiming to fight socialist/anti-capitalist movements.

It seems that did influence how Americans viewed the changing European borders and the threat of Germany...it mostly was limited to raised eyebrows.

It seems territorial expansion of Germany into N. Am was mostly played out in pursuit of petroleum from Mexico. Germany had pretty obvious needs to secure energy sources it lacked, and for a time Germany and Italy exploited American anger and trade policy intended to punish Mexico for seizing control some American oil co assets.

For the most part it seems the threat of Nazi Germany to the US was due to Nazi Germany being an ally of Japan...a circumstance that was sealed around belief that both nations deserved expansion and both were anti-communist.

Isn't it curious that anti-communist philosophy actually guided Western politics for nearly 50 years after WWII and in that half century American interests spread towards hegemonic control of the northern hemisphere

...the US would've stayed out of the whole thing were it not for Pearl Harbor.

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act,


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar


Fritz Thyssen, the German industrialist who began funding Hitler in 1923, set up the Union Banking Corp in New York to handle funds supplied to it through Thyssen's Dutch bank for American investment. Prescott Bush, who had been an officer of the W.A. Harriman bank since 1926, was a director of the Union Banking Corp from 1934 through 1943. According to government documents, "all of the shares of the Union Banking Corp., were held for the benefit of members of the Thyssen family."


Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland 'Bunny' Harriman, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Bush


"By Oct. 26, 1942, U.S. troops were under way for North Africa. On Oct. 28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation.


http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htm

Yet ISIS killed two of their citizens.

ISIS will not leave other folks alone if left alone. That meme has left the building regarding ISIS.

do to isis for them to kill those two Japanese reporters? You whole "they would leave us alone" falls completely apart in seconds. You should consider deleting such an obvious mistake.

We didn't recruit Hitler, so suppose you just compare like things in your poll.

freeing the Holocaust survivors." The USSR liberated Auschwitz (and all the Polish death camps), not the U.S. The USSR lost 20--26 million, the U.S. some 250,000.

mankind, and if we don't fight them over there, we will have to fight them over here, and if you aren't with us, then you are against us, and that means you are allied with the terrorists, etc. etc.

I recognize several out of the gropu who have voted "other".

Grampa Georges - you were right. They did it again. So glad you and a lot of other WW I French Military Officers got the hell out of France when you did.

Hitler's mother. It would be the misogynist thing to do.

and no we did not go to war because of any such atrocities once already engaged no we weren't going to randomly leave the camps in place and obviously the territory of our allies would be freed.

The question attempts to reframe World War II into something it wasn't to set up a push poll. Native Americans nor atrocities had much to do with joining the war at all. In fact the reference to our behavior toward the natives is a weird ass counter anyway. World War I would come closer to a comparison but even that is dicey and not comparable to the Iraq invasion that folks of this mode of thinking love to say that was ten years ago which is one a small period of time anyway and two that they seem to forget either just ended or never did. In fact, I don't even know where ten years ago came from the invasion happened prior to that and the occupation didn't end in 2004 by any stretch of anyone's imagination.

The only real comparison here is that in both situations some bad people are doing some bad things, that is the only real parallel which means the poster is trying to herd folks into supporting the US as world police or to say some along lines of "fuck the Holocaust victims" or some such silly shit.

from the holocaust! Our government knew what was happening long before our involvement! And yet if you ask the average american about it, they will say that was the reason we entered the conflict.
I just love how people rewrite history to suit themselves.

It isn't asking your opinion on the motives of the United States government in World War II. It is asking you how you would feel were you around to have learned of atrocities committed in Reich-occupied territories.

but it is a touchy subject. My great-grandmother changed her name and religion to protect her children. I did not learn of this until I was a teenager. I just felt that the first choice was worded as if the U.S. was a saviour of the jews and others killed by the Nazis. I apologize.

get involved.

but they are on our side (wink wink). Yeah the rewrite of history is pathetic, but totally predictable by ultra-nationalists and their hatred for facts.

after all it was the Jews that killed their Jesus.

The same attitude is still in America they only care if WAPS get killed or harmed.

Now with the GOP in control sit back and watch them ignore Africa and groups like Boko Harem kill other Africans, they won't do diddly squat about it, why, because they are only killing blacks in Africa.

and I grew up in a community of German Americans. Most of the families in our community had at least one if not more sons who enlisted and came home to tell us about it.

we were attacked by the Japanese. Plenty of Americans knew about the camps but had no desire to get into a war over it. Those are the facts.

I did know at least a couple of people who were still spouting German support in the 70s. As to knowing about the camps I have never heard any of the older people talking about that.

For one thing our German-American community had been through WWI. We had been told we could not speak German any more and often treated like we were at war with our own country. We knew better than to support Germany in anything they did by the time of WWII.

And Britain had been at war with Germany for three years. By the end of 1942 the Allies were aware of the mass transportation and execution of Jews, as well as German atrocities committed against Poles (the Katyn massacre). By that point I think it was clear to most people on the Allied side that we were going to prosecute the war against Germany to the fullest and would accept nothing but an unconditional surrender. (of course if we had the Internet back then I have no doubt that some people would have dismissed reports of Nazi atrocities as Allied propaganda and blamed Roosevelt for provoking the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor.)

we should make some effort into disrupting the machinery of the Holocaust instead of ignoring it?"

Or maybe: "It'd be pretty morally reprehensible to ignore the plight of the European Jews before and during the war, and then pretend we fought it for them once the war was over?"

How about: "We should do more to help the Jews (and others) who were stuck in displaced persons camps after the war, and not wait until five years after the end of the war to finally end immigration policy that discriminates against Jews?

And perhaps also: "If we care about preventing atrocities, we should stop the Soviet Union from conducting its mass ethnic cleansing of Germans at the end of the war, which lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands and included widespread rape?"

Err, sorry. I guess I should have answered, "AMERICA, HELL YEAH! We took out Saddam and gave the Iraqis freedom!"

but didn't know about the Holocaust until I was in junior high school. I was shocked of course.

understand the full implications then but grew up to understand it.

watching a "progressive' post a strawman poll, because another DUer pissed them off that much! Fetch little doggy, fetch!