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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsQuestion: when was it settled science that tinfoil hats don't block mind-control rays?
By what year?
Thanks in advance.
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Foiled again!
FSogol
(45,488 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)that with the frequencies supposedly used that the hats actually worked as a 1-3 db gain antenna reflector.
Edited to add link
http://disinfo.com/2011/08/do-tin-foil-hats-really-block-mind-control/
ChosenUnWisely
(588 posts)hat.
What are people thinking!
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)The government actually starts most conspiracy theories in order to persuade people to wear tin foil hats so that the mind control beams will actually work.
http://thoughtcrimewave.blogspot.com/2008/01/tin-hats.html
adigal
(7,581 posts)salin
(48,955 posts)Lint Head
(15,064 posts)ChosenUnWisely
(588 posts)get at the grocery store
Everyone knows that 3 layers or more of Commercial Grade Aluminum Foil is the only thing that will slow down and partially deflect the mind control rays!
Gee, what is wrong with people!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)OTOH, those who'd like to know what their, or in the case of certain posters, the US government have done in their name in regards to mind control, from a CIA memo that Richard Helms forgot to burn:
SOURCE: https://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/document-friday-project-artichoke-or-the-cia-attempt-to-create-a-manchurian-candidate/
DUers may remember the late Frank Olson.
So, your question, Orrex is not as stupid as it seems.
Orrex
(63,215 posts)Not even the stupid ones.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Why I wrote the way I did is to show that while many DUers make fun of people who think conspiracy is stupid tinfoil hat stuff, the reality of mind control has been taken very seriously by elements of the US government, especially by the CIA and others unknown in the offices of secret government. It's really bad for justice and democracy, too.
Orrex
(63,215 posts)"Mind control" takes many forms, both subtle and obvious. Given what we know about government misinformation and propaganda, it would be naive to pretend that no attempts at control are underway. While I don't believe that it rises to the level of "beamed mind-rays" or anything like that, there are plenty of other tools in the toolbox.
As for my "stupid questions," no offense was taken--I was simply riffing on what I recognized as inadvertant phrasing!
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)& the founding of the Public Relations industry.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)It's unfortunate that I had forgotten that episode.
I was thinking more John Hinkley.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...on business in Washington-Baltimore area and we stayed at the top of the pyramid in Frederick.
Love the town, the people, the restaurants. Ate at Five Guys for the first time. Found a great record store. Had a real blast.
If I'd known you were there, the family'd dropped in on ya, Hoot.
You know you got a brother in Detroit or wherever I'm at.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)I see you're keeping up with the art!
You better believe it!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Seems like it.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)You know, so you can post these homophobic, anti Semitic writers to DU?
You better believe it!
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)of BFEE, and executed by a group of predominantly Saudi operatives.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)From an EE perspective, aluminum foil won't block electromagnetic radiation, for that you need iron in some form.
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)All you need is Steel screen material and a soldering iron although you could probably just sew it. The thread wouldn't affect the Faraday cage performance.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The 'Man in the Moon' story is real!
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)But ask for evidence of existence and nature.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)meow2u3
(24,764 posts)but they sure make your head hot as hell if you stay out in the sun too long.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Well done....
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Shiny side in or out?
Personally, I have always recommended at least 2 layers, the inner one one shiny side in to keep your thoughts from escaping, and the outer one shine side out to keep them from implanting thoughts.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)Its' non-stick foil facing outwards and you're safe.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Who needs drugs when you have a Haysi Fantayzee video from the 80s?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)By Cory Doctorow - Oct 1, 2012
A group of MIT students decided to test the performance of different tinfoil beanies to see how various designs (the "classical," "fez" and "centurion" interacted with commonly used industrial radio applications. They found that all three designs actually amplified these mind control rays radio waves, suggesting that the tinfoil hat meme might be a false-flag operation engineered to trick the wily and suspicious into making it easier to beam messages into their skulls.
Among a fringe community of paranoids, aluminum helmets serve as the protective measure of choice against invasive radio signals. We investigate the efficacy of three aluminum helmet designs on a sample group of four individuals. Using a $250,000 network analyser, we find that although on average all helmets attenuate invasive radio frequencies in either directions (either emanating from an outside source, or emanating from the cranium of the subject), certain frequencies are in fact greatly amplified. These amplified frequencies coincide with radio bands reserved for government use according to the Federal Communication Commission (FCC). Statistical evidence suggests the use of helmets may in fact enhance the government's invasive abilities. We speculate that the government may in fact have started the helmet craze for this reason...
We evaluated the performance of three different helmet designs, commonly referred to as the Classical, the Fez, and the Centurion... The helmets were made of Reynolds aluminium foil. As per best practices, all three designs were constructed with the double layering technique described elsewhere.
A radio-frequency test signal sweeping the ranges from 10 Khz to 3 Ghz was generated using an omnidirectional antenna attached to the Agilent 8714ET's signal generator...
http://boingboing.net/2012/10/01/tinfoil-hats-actually-amplify.html
Earlier reports are similar:
Tinfoil hats attract mind-control signals, boffins learn. Government conspiracy suspected
By Thomas C Greene - 11 Nov 2005
Wearing a tinfoil hat to deflect government mind-control radio waves is even more foolish than most people think. According to several (apparent) students from MIT who tested several hat designs, there was "a 30 db amplification at 2.6 Ghz and a 20 db amplification at 1.2 Ghz, regardless of the position of the antenna on the cranium."
The students note that "the helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, These bands are supposedly reserved for 'radio location' (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites."
The researchers speculate that the government is behind the rumour that tinfoil hats protect people from invasive radio signals in order to encourage their use and therefore to enhance the effectiveness of their radio control program.
We're no experts, but the researchers did admit to using Reynolds brand aluminum foil, rather than the classic tin foil, and we wonder if this could have skewed the results. We wonder also if a tinfoil propeller beanie might scatter the signals more effectively than a plain hat, and offer this humble suggestion for the benefit of the paranoiac community until further testing is complete.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/11/tinfoil_hats_as_government_plot/
A bit confusing as to the date, but I'm
going with 2005. Reiterated at a major source, The Atlantic. This is something I posted a while ago:
Tin Foil Hats Actually Make it Easier for the Government to Track Your Thoughts
By Matt Soniak - Sep 28 2012
Or so says "physics."
Let's say some malevolent group -- the government, powerful corporations, extraterrestrials -- really is trying to read and/or control your thoughts with radio waves. Would the preferred headgear of the paranoid, a foil helmet, really keep The Man and alien overlords out of our brains?
The scientific reasoning behind the foil helmet is that it acts as a Faraday cage, an enclosure made up of a conducting material that shields its interior from external electrostatic charges and electromagnetic radiation by distributing them around its exterior and dissipating them. While sometimes these enclosures are actual cages, they come in many forms, and most of us have probably dealt with one type or another. Elevators, the scan rooms that MRI machines sit in, "booster bags" that shoplifters sometimes use to circumvent electronic security tags, cables like USB or TV coaxial cables, and even the typical household microwave all provide shielding as Faraday cages.
While the underlying concept is good, the typical foil helmet fails in design and execution. An effective Faraday cage fully encloses whatever it's shielding, but a helmet that doesn't fully cover the head doesn't fully protect it. If the helmet is designed or worn with a loose fit, radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation can still get up underneath the brim from below and reveal your innermost thoughts to the reptilian humanoids or the Bilderberg Group.
More details on the MIT study at link:
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/09/tin-foil-hats-actually-make-it-easier-for-the-government-to-track-your-thoughts/262998/
And HULU is designed by reptilians to soften up your brain before they suck it out your ears with that little snaky licky thing they do.
So take the damned thing off, Orrex. Or put it back on, as these stories may all be a trick says The Atlantic:
...While the MIT guys' tongue-in-cheek conclusion -- "the current helmet craze is likely to have been propagated by the Government, possibly with the involvement of the FCC" -- maybe goes a few steps too far, their study at least shows that foil helmets fail at, and even counteract, their intended purpose. That, or the students are aliens who fabricated these results in an effort to get you to take your perfectly functional helmet off.
You decide...
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)A tin-foil hat makes you think that the BFEE controls the world.
A tin-foil hat makes you promote the fevered scribblings of racist, homophobic, bigoted conspiracy theorist lunatics on a progressive website.
For some, the tin-foil hat has cut off most of the circulation to their brain.
Sid
freshwest
(53,661 posts)It's Trending these days...
And there's a feedback loop.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Kilgore
(1,733 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)people can get data off a computer or a credit card or even count the number and denominations of money in cars remotely and that you can protect such devices from revealing themselves by wrapping them in tin foil. Later in the show it was suggested that our thoughts may be read remotely by computers one day. So yeah. Wrap you head in foil.
Duh
Dr. Strange
(25,921 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Clearly, I need to spend more time here.
In any case, I'm flattered, thanks!