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Kaleva

(36,307 posts) Thu Feb 5, 2015, 01:30 PM Feb 2015

Well, it looks like ISIS managed to turn most rank and file Jordanians against them

Lt. Moaz al-Kassasbeh was a member of a very important and influential tribe in Jordan. A tribe that is allied with a number of other tribes in that nation. An atrocity committed against one tribal member is an atrocity committed against them all. These tribes are not calling out for justice. Demanding that the people who were directly involved in killing the Lt. and those who ordered it be arrested and brought to trial. They are calling for revenge against all of ISIS.

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Well, it looks like ISIS managed to turn most rank and file Jordanians against them (Original Post) Kaleva Feb 2015 OP

Tribes... TreasonousBastard Feb 2015 #1

The point isn't really whether tribes are obsolete in the modern world starroute Feb 2015 #3

I'm aware of that, just musing on the point of tribes. TreasonousBastard Feb 2015 #4

football. modern tribalism. of their familial and regional organization is old roguevalley Feb 2015 #5

So if Lt. Moaz al-Kassasbeh came from a lessor tribe or no tribe it would be OK and not as bad. ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #2

How to get 'revenge against all of ISIS'? Join the military? Aren't many Jordanians Iraqi refugees? freshwest Feb 2015 #6

Most Jordanians were already against ISIS. They were divided on being involved in military action... Violet_Crumble Feb 2015 #7

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)

1. Tribes...

Reply to Kaleva (Original post)

Thu Feb 5, 2015, 01:38 PM

Feb 2015

I suppose tribes had a point in the past, but in this modern world the idea seems old-fashioned, and perhaps a little frightening.

The concept is ingrained within us, though, and modern "tribes" center on abstractions like politics and religion.

starroute

(12,977 posts)

3. The point isn't really whether tribes are obsolete in the modern world

Reply to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 5, 2015, 02:13 PM

Feb 2015

It's that the pilot wasn't just some random nobody. ISIS has poked a hornet's nest and they may not enjoy the result.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)

4. I'm aware of that, just musing on the point of tribes.

Reply to starroute (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 5, 2015, 02:15 PM

Feb 2015

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)

5. football. modern tribalism. of their familial and regional organization is old

Reply to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 5, 2015, 02:58 PM

Feb 2015

fashioned, then so are football groups. Just saying.

ChosenUnWisely

(588 posts)

2. So if Lt. Moaz al-Kassasbeh came from a lessor tribe or no tribe it would be OK and not as bad.

Reply to Kaleva (Original post)

Thu Feb 5, 2015, 01:40 PM

Feb 2015

Got it.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)

6. How to get 'revenge against all of ISIS'? Join the military? Aren't many Jordanians Iraqi refugees?

Reply to Kaleva (Original post)

Fri Feb 6, 2015, 04:01 AM

Feb 2015

That would give them inside knowledge if they are willing to engage ISIS back in Iraq and may push them back faster.

I still see this as a generational war, taking longer than many of us will live to see the changes it will make in the world. Can't even imagine what this will take to end extremism, and what's worse is what we will turn into by the time it's over.

Just glad I am not Obama, hard to grasp what he has seen in the reports that we haven't. I'm sure he's aware of just how bad things are over there and it is his job to respond to it.

Unfortunate that ending the war as planned didn't end in the way that we envisioned it. But I just don't see the resolve among the rank and file to deal with whatever one calls all of this.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)

7. Most Jordanians were already against ISIS. They were divided on being involved in military action...

Reply to Kaleva (Original post)

Fri Feb 6, 2015, 04:27 AM

Feb 2015

The murder of the pilot changed that totally. Before that people hadn't wanted to be involved because it wasn't their problem and ISIS hadn't done anything to Jordan. That's all changed now and most want revenge and to destroy ISIS. And Jordan's dramatically stepped up its airstrikes over the past day or so, so if ISIS thought that murdering the pilot would cow Arab states that had until then had limited involvement in airstrikes, they miscalculated badly...

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/jordan-continues-their-revenge-on-isis-carrying-out-airstrikes-against-the-terror-group/story-fnh81ifq-1227209129504

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