My best friends husband died last year. He was 30. She found him unresponsive and did cpr. Took an hour for the ambulance. Too depressing.

That's horrible and inexcusable.

Don't know why this is getting to me so much. Just a horrible set of circumstances.

We blamed everyone. I feel angry. I suspect drugs and fear of treatment ( they would follow her like Brittney Spears if she checked in). Maybe she did it on purpose. She seemed sad. I've tried the same shit. Woke up 6 days later in the hospital. I wish she had had somebody to talk to. Missed her mother. Look at her father. I'd not want to be left with him as my only comfort.

Oh, I am so very sorry. I am so glad you made it, my new friend.

There's so much crap out there that would be reason enough for a young woman to do this. And we're such a sick society, I am sure you are right about how she would be followed around. She already has been.

This wasn't an accident in my mind. Too much like what happened to her mom. And family coming from her from all sides.

Just tragic.

Pissed at myself for even trying, but, depression kills. We need to start caring more and harassing less. If I got followed, I'd be locked up in a facility. For murder.

They put her on their show. She was shy. It was fucked up. During her chubby phase she had to participate in that show. She had bad self esteem. I hoped she'd make it, tho. Go to school and chill like regular people. All she had was her mom. Her dad had other kids.

We sure do.

Don't be angry at yourself. Like you said, depression kills. Kicking yourself won't help anyone or anything.

I believe that her upbringing caused all kinds of damage. But I also believe that both her parents loved her the best they were capable of at the time. Maybe this will wake other parents up some.

They got started in the business as teenagers. They did not know what to do. There are no instructions for that. It seems to do this to many entertainment folks.

Too much for too many young people.

Depression is so messed up. Yes, we all need to start caring more and harassing less. I've had similar experiences. Whitney's music touches me. I wish her family comfort and peace.

Can't stop thinking about it.

Celebrity kids never seem to get to live anything close to normal lives. My heart hurts for her, and for her family.

I think celebrity kids get treated like little adults. Breaks them down, causes pain and feeling out of place. Even Bieber is feeling crappy, thats why he acts out. Kids really do need structure and time to mature in private. Our society invades privacy too much and we put our business out there too much.

He said something like celebrity is too much for anyone, especially kids.



I feel like we're on a death watch. I hate that I can't turn away from this but almost feel like we owe it to her to rally for her and her family. However we can do that.

I stopped buying those magazines after how Brittney lost it after being followed into bathrooms and shit. I used to read all the trash and eat it up. We have to stop that. It's part of the problem.

It is too much for kids. If one of my kids shows extreme talent, I think I'll tell them to go to college first. Talent is talent. And to keep my grandkids out of the spotlight. No good comes from it. Money and death.

I do read them when getting my hair done but that's about it. Maybe a people magazine three times in my life. John John's death was one of them. I hated what the media and all the people who just couldn't stop listening to the media, did to Brittany and lohan. How is anyone supposed to deal with so much?

Just sad and horrible

There's no reason for that. As you said, we just have to make sure we do what we can to stop the media attacks on celebrities personal lives.

I heard that some magazine editor, fairly recently, stated they will no longer place or buy pictures of celebrities children. Evidently, most of the magazines followed suit. That's why we don't really see the kids anymore. At least not as much. Hopefully, they'll continue to move in that direction

It was hard on Bruce Willis and Demi Moore's children too. Body dismorphia and self esteem issues. So sad.

That Suri would have been the next major victim. But she's never pictured anymore. Thank goodness.

Made me undertand why Michael Jackson hid his baby in a blanket for 4 years.

Shouldn't mean you can't go outside without being jumped on by a ton of pariahs.

in chaos, saw this around her and normalized it so she had an enormous possibility to do the same thing. I am so sorry for this. So tragic but so almost inevitable. I wish she could have had a better life, poor little girl. I feel for everyone here.

Not a good childhood for a sensitive person. Too much going on.

how did she end up "face down" in the bathtub? Unless it is a big bathtub, it is not easy to turn over in one. Not to mention uncomfortable.

Slipping down underneath the water makes more sense.

That bothers me.

I think we just have to wait for the reports. It seems like it's hard to trust first info.

which just struck me as odd.

Of course, who know if the media has any idea.

Poor thing. I do feel sorry for her. Such a waste.

She seemed so sweet. I feel sad too.

Been wondering about that myself. But it could be a huge tub.

But how uncomfortable would it be to lie face down in a ceramic tub?

And why? You'd need a snorkel! (not being facetious here; it simply makes no sense to me)

But there are some really big tubs out there. If she slipped into unconsciousness, maybe she just turned? Or maybe she slipped and fell. Maybe this was just a horrible coincidence. Though I doubt it

There was some loser drug dealer type that supposedly "found" her.

Evidently, the cable guy was there as well. That's why they found her. He came to the house to do whatever and her friend went looking for her to talk to the cable guy. Had that not happened, it surely would have been too late.

Could have a different life and that she could give her live purpose and meaning.

This is very sad.

Me too, Mary. So tragic. First Whitney and now her baby.

TYY

So they can be together in a special way. That sounds so trite and weird but I hope you know what I mean

...will give ALL of her friends and family members an opportunity to say goodbye.

It's the right thing to do.

TYY

I think most of the family is there or has been there. But, yeah, friends haven't been allowed to see her from what I read. Maybe they'll change that now so they can say goodbye

... that the 11th was the exact anniversary. I think that fact makes the 11th perfect timing, even moreso.

TYY

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especially if it turns out that there was no foul play.

But I also hope you're wrong, because the Illumin-Nutties will have a field day.


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Unbelievable. Some people will grasp at anything to make it a conspiracy.

I understand they don't want to let go. I just can't imagine they can let this go on much longer.

I just read an article about one of the aunts saying, just days after Whitney died, that Bobbi Kristina was in danger and she believes Whitney was murdered.

I don't think I have ever seen so much coverage, with so much conjecture, about anything else.

The whole thing is just sad.

Same reason as you: It's just SO damn sad and tragic. That family has already been through so much.

Much more than I could handle. At least with all the publicity, gossip and infighting being broadcast around the world constantly

I cannot imagine the pain the Houston family and Bobby Brown are going through.

to the Houston and Brown families and especially to Cissy Houston, I can't imagine the grief she's feeling.

May she find the peace that escaped her in this realm and may her family somehow find the strength to cope with yet another horrific waste of promising life.

I really have lost respect for everyone involved in BK's life. Everyone.

Somehow, I suspect they won't. I have nothing to base that on.

to the larger hospital, my thoughts were to prepare for possible donations.

time on machines isn't good for donations.

Too bad.

I thought she was going to be ok.

Horrible.

Condition as "grim", and almost no brain activity. I noticed that the national news was much more vague about her prognosis.

Some of us have been through this scenario with a friend's relative or our own relative. I simply never had much hope, but still hoped for the best and a "miracle."

so sad for everyone who knows and loves her.

My family has also been through this, though not by the same cause. (My cousin was thrown onto a car hood head-on, hit on his motorcyle. He walked into the hospital himself, broken fingers and all ......... they never dx'd or treated him for a brain injury despite him telling them how he landed. It didn't take long for him to go into a coma, then the prognosis and decision to stop all treatment.) It was horrible and destroyed my aunt, she's never been the same. I've also been through it personally, the most horrendous decision to have to make. There are really no words to describe it - I feel so badly for her family.

You're very kind.

Just so sad to hear this news and how much terrible loss these families are going through. I wish them all the strength in the world.

Glad you're here. Such a sad thing. That poor sweet girl. Such a complicated life - and so young. Sorry to hear about the grim condition. So sad. It's one of those times when one is not sure what to pray for. That she revives? But under what condition then? Or that she passes gently? What a sad thing.

Her grandmother was very worried about her, asked her to 'stay more in touch with me' a while ago.

I guess she knew her grand-daughter was deeply depressed but was unable to help her as she wanted to do.

From reports it appears she will not make it.

There's no way at this point.

Can't possibly imagine what her grandmother is going through.

Too much. Too sad

This must be more than she can bear. I hope she finds a way to go on, but the pain must be unbearable.

describing her condition as "grim" with no improvement in a brain that had little function.

probably not that serious. I believe she was hospitalized before and was okay.

It is so terribly sad. She is so young, and if she could have gotten through the difficult period after her mother's, also, tragic death, there is so much she could have done. But it was apparently, not to be.

He was an abusive asswipe. A cancer to Whitney and their daughter.

I often wonder if Whitney would be living happily today had she married a decent, reliable guy. She had her troubles for sure, but it makes me curious about how she would have dealt with her problems if she had a partner who supported her rather than constantly tearing her down.

This is so sad.

That his soon to be born child sees a different dad.

From what I've read Whitney was into drugs before Bobby came along, that might've been what attracted her to him. In any case, they were in this marriage together, made mistakes, had there problems., etc.

The man's daughter is dying, he's at her side and I could not imagine what he's going through. May-be we can reserve judgment on him.

would Bobby inherit what's left of Whitney's estate?


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There would probably be a big court fight. Bobbi Kristina hasn't actually inherited everything yet. She wouldn't receive everything until she turned 30. The grandmother is in charge of what she didn't get.

If Bobbi dies without a will or a legally wedded husband, there will be big court fight indeed.


rocktivity

She, Cissy, had petitioned the court to not allow Bobbi to receive all the money at once. Bobbi agreed. So now Cissy is in charge of that portion.

I hate to say it, but if Bobbi was without oxygen for that long, I hope she doesn't make it. I can't imagine she wouldn't be severely brain damaged.

But what do I know.

This waiting has to be more than those closest to her can handle.

She wanted her estate divided equally between her mother Cissy, her brothers Gary and Michael and her husband Bobby Brown.

Since Bobby Brown is no longer her husband, I'm not sure where that legally puts him.

Pat Houston, Gary's wife, Whitney's sister-in-law and former manager, is in charge of the estate. Cissy Houston did not want the responsibility and went to court to have Pat assigned as the executrix of the estate.

I don't know what is real and what isn't.

It's just tragic.

This one has a copy of Whitney's last will

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2112189/Whitney-Houstons-daughter-Bobbi-inherit-mothers-fortune-stages-11-years.html

This one mentions that the family gave authority to Pat Houston

http://www.showbiz411.com/2012/03/09/the-whole-story-about-whitney-houstons-last-will-and-testament

It was also recently reported that Nick Gordon was upset with Pat Houston of the amount of Bobbi Kristina's monthly allowance. Pat had a restraining order placed on Nick and that's why he's not at the hospital with the family.

Tyler Perry supposedly broke up a fight between Gordon and Bobby Brown.

There are too many rumors for us to know what is really going on. I know that the aunt had a restraining order a year ago. But I don't know that it is still active.

Thanks for the links.

Since Pat is at the hospital, Nick cannot be.

Yes, I also read there was a fight between Bobby Brown and Nick, and it probably did happen. Nick is not well liked by anyone, except Bobbi Kristina.

And yes, rumors are flying.

But if she has been taken off life support, I hope, if what we're reading the doctors are saying is true, that she doesn't make it. There are things worse than death. A vegetative state is one of them.

Especially with the conflicting reports on brain death.

Then she won't live long after artificial means are taken away. But I'd she has enough brain function to keep her heart and lungs working. Well, that's too sad to contemplate

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Unlike Michael Jackson's father, Bobby can make the argument that it's his daughter's estate, not his ex-wife's -- and that as the biological next of kin, he should get it all instead of just twenty per cent.


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If Bobbi had pre-deceased her, then Whitney directs that her estate is so divided. I don't think that, once her will had been executed and all left to Bobbi (though some in trust until she's 30), they can go back and re-distribute now that Bobbi will have subsequently died. It's no longer Whitney's to allocate, it's Bobbi's (and, presumably, Cissy Houston as her executrix) to bequeath.

At least that would be my guess.

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Keep in mind, Bobbi Kristina has only inherited a very small portion of the estate. 1.2 million on her 21st birthday. However, the estate did not give BK the entire amount, they were giving her monthly allowances. BK was to receive another portion on her 25th birthday and the remainder and larger portion on her 30th birthday. She actually will not inherit those amounts, because she has passed.

I think a judge will find, in this situation, that Whitney's intent was to have it equally divided among her family.

Anyway, I doubt this is something Bobby Brown and the family are worried about at this moment, and regardless of rumors of tension, I believe this will be settled amicably.

The biggest fear for all involved was Nick Gordon.

And yes, Bobbi has, in fact, inherited everything that was Whitney's intent to go to her. She has received a part, and another was to be released to her part four years from now and the rest five years thereafter. But it's all hers now. Just because a majority of it was put in trust doesn't change that.

Whitney's estate has been executed. Once Bobbi dies, whether that happens now or if a miracle should happen and she recovers (which she won't) and lives many more years, it will be her estate that the courts will have to make decisions about, not Whitney's. Whitney's estate is over and done with.

i.e. turning 25 and turning 30, the trust reverts back to the estate.

At least that's how it works in NYS.

Anyway, this is kind of a morbid discussion at this point.

But you're right.

Last rumor is they're waiting for Cissy to be able to say goodbye.

This is so damn sad.

My heart is with them all.

I think many of us that just don't follow this stuff normally are really feeling deeply about their plight.

Tragic. Just tragic

Bobby Brown was a violent abuser. Because you and I know that he was an abuser, we can pretty much guess that living with him was a nightmare. God only knows what went on in that house.

Domestic abusers create so much chaos and trauma in the lives of family members. The children who have to grow up in this environment are damaged for life. Yes, they can get therapy and thrive and go on to live meaningful lives--but only after years of hard work and healing.

Whitney Houston seemed like the classic codependent. Staying with a man who was an abuser, and Whitney sinking further and further into escapes like drugs and alcoholism. I feel for her. She must have been in pain a great deal--to feel that she deserved abuse like that.

This entire story demonstrates how horrible domestic abuse and substance abuse is for people. This entire family is destroyed with the mother and the daughter now dead.

Most who endure this hell are not millionaires with fame and amazing talents. Whitney Houston and her daughter had all of those things, and still they could not overcome the damage of drugs and domestic violence. Those things are powerful, horrible forces.

Very sad situation.

Your post is great. But I hadn't heard this. I saw articles earlier that are now gone so I don't know if they jumped the gun or she is gone

"Above all, each of us must do our part to elevate the dignity of individuals impacted by mental health and substance use disorders. Rather than blaming these issues on moral failing, we must take responsible action to ensure that effective treatments are made available to those who need them, ending the tradition of neglect and replacing it with a 'whole health' culture of respect."

Thank you for this.

I will say that people are just trying to channel grief. Whitney Houston was a beloved icon with the voice of an angel. We all knew something about her. Now, after her tragic death, her daughter is dying in front of us (in a way
) I don't blame people for lashing out. Not the best idea but I understand it.

We should all follow the advice you posted

The fact that our system is based around not doing these things kills a lot of people.

My heart goes out to him and the rest of the family.

I also read that isn't true. Seems like suddenly, rumors are flying around like crazy. Have no idea what is true.

Thanks for the link

Here is the story from our local news on WSBTV

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/family-denies-bobbi-kristina-brain-dead/nj5XN/

I don't know if we will ever know the truth if what has transpired the last few days, or that we should. I suspect some of this is to help Cissy deal with whatever she has to deal with when she arrives in Atlanta.

I just hope they don't suffer this horrible trauma a moment more than necessary, however long that is for them to come to terms with the reality of the situation.

Thank you for the link

It's just so sad.

Money doesn't always buy happiness.

She looks so much like her dad and I feel sorry for her and him.

But I can see more of her mom in her. There's sure no doubt she's their daughter.

I read yesterday that they are waiting for Cissy to be able to say goodbye. I also read that Cissy plans to make everyone drop their differences and allow everyone that Bobbi Kristina loved to be with her, in peace, before she dies. She said she regrets how she handled Whitney's funeral and wants to be sure that Bobbi Kristina's last days are with her loved ones, including Nick Gordon.

Whitney hasn't been gone that long and now Bobbi Kristina? When my youngest brother died I don't think my mother ever got over it....she suffered for years and years.

I just can't see any of Whitney in Bobbi Kristina, but then, I couldn't see any of my husband in my oldest son when everybody said he was the spitting image of him. I look at Bobbi Kristina and I see Bobby Browns' mouth and teeth and nothing of Whitney. Oh well....

She never got over losing her two sons and a daughter. In fact, it saved my mother's life. My aunt Julia died at 6 months in my grandmother's arms. So when my mom (when an infant) had whooping cough and started to turn blue as my grandmother held her, my grandmother kind of flipped and screamed she wasn't going to have another baby die in her arms. As she did that, she threw my mom across the room. Luckily, right into my uncle, who caught her. The force of that caused my mom to start breathing again.

Sorry so off track.

Cissy is there now. I cannot fathom how hard this is on her. Too much. Just too much heartache.

I'm sorry for your losses.

Just too much pain and sorrow in her short life. What a horrible shame, and just unbearable heartache for all who love her.

when she died, it hit me hard. I don't know if it is because I grew up hearing her music all around or what, but it hit me harder than even my favorite musicians dying. I still cannot believe she is gone.

Now, her baby is dying. Life is so cruel to the sensitive people. I feel so bad for the family having to go through this again. There is no telling what happened that led to this horrible tragedy. I didn't even know much about Bobbi Kristina except she was Whitney's baby. Still, I feel really sad about this news.

My condolences to everyone affected by this tragedy.

I don't quite understand my feelings on this. Just that it's horrible. It's beyond horrible. And having to deal with this in the public eye has to be unbearable.

Her sadness and grief maybe got to be too much for her to bear.

Except for the rumor that Max Lomas has supposedly requested immunity before he speaks with the police about Nick Gordon and these alleged injuries, I almost wonder if she tried to slit her wrists.

I am sure eventually, we'll find out what happened. The last I read that supposedly came from the family was,

So sad. But the poor thing has suffered much too long. I cannot fathom the pain her loved ones are in.

I don't believe she did this to herself. I don't know if they will charge whats-his-name but I believe he did this to her.

Such a sad, sad thing.

Now we can look forward to two big ugly storylines: the murder investigation and inheritance fight we've discussed.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141158350


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I did see it. It's just tragic

Although I am interested in the investigation, I couldn't care less about the inheritance fight

I don't know about the aunts, uncles and cousins, but I am sure her father and grandmother are heartbroken