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Unfortunately, BBC makes every sentence a paragraph. Read the full article at the link. The last sentence/paragraph is revealing. He said though that he wished the US would deploy boots on the ground so that IS could directly engage the Americans - and kill them.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29123528
Since the sudden appearance of the extremist Sunni Islamic State (IS), the group has seized headlines with a shocking level of blood-letting and cruelty - but can its savagery be explained, asks Fawaz A Gerges.
Islamic State has become synonymous with viciousness - beheadings, crucifixions, stonings, massacres, burying victims alive and religious and ethnic cleansing.
While such savagery might seem senseless to the vast majority of civilised human beings, for IS it is a rational choice. It is a conscious decision to terrorise enemies and impress and co-opt new recruits.
IS adheres to a doctrine of total war without limits and constraints - no such thing, for instance, as arbitration or compromise when it comes to settling disputes with even Sunni Islamist rivals. Unlike its parent organisation, al-Qaeda, IS pays no lip service to theology to justify its crimes.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)which is now possible via Facebook and Twitter with their pool of over a billion people.
You only need a tiny fraction of one percent to heed the call to get thousands of recruits.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)the infrastructure that marginalized the crazies, when you open the prison doors, and release them, when you break up the civil authorities that kept them on the fringes where they belong, and when you flood the area with weapons, and even arm them when YOU want to use them, this is what happens.
Same thing would happen here if our country was invaded and destroyed as Iraq was.
As for atrocities, I wish the media would report on ALL of the atrocities and war crimes committed, remember the 'death squads' Negroponte sent to Iraq eg?
But we are selective in such coverage. The neocons want more war, and what better way to get people in the mood for war, than to report only some atrocities while ignoring others.
Get ready for more war in Iraq.
But don't think about the atrocities in Africa, they are not on the list for war, yet.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)but there is something extra behind the unrestrained savagery of this group that hasn't been explored in detail yet.
That's why I mention that many of them are self-selected invaders recruited via social media. I also think there's something in the training that brings out psychopathy, some new or refined technique. This technique may be exported to other areas too.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Their videos are well produced to get the maximum effect. Almost as if they are designed to get the US back on board for more war. And our propaganda arm, Fox, happily gives them coverage.
There is nothing exceptional about the viciousness of this group over all the viciousness and atrocities committed since Bush/Cheney's neocon invasion of the ME.
But it appears that when we want more war, we get these stories, some true, some exaggerated, see the 'babies in the ovens' story eg, many simply high-lighting SOME of the atrocities that have been ongoing for more than a decade.
I at least, haven't forgotten the horrific atrocities committed in Iraq after the neocon invasion. The beheadings, torture, slaughters in shopping malls etc.
Sending Negroponte, the war criminal who oversaw massive atrocities in Central America, shouldn't have surprised anyone, though it did, at the time.
Not falling for the latest propaganda, WE helped create this situation. Repeating what created it sure isn't going to end it. But maybe that's the plan. 'Forever War'!
The ISIS atrocities are just a continuation of the neocons' (whether by imitation or design) even to the point of dressing their hostages in orange jumpsuits.
In fact, if you read the comments on foreign news sites many of them think that ISIS are directly controlled by the neocons and their allies.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)From what I have observed, and it's hard to know for sure, I think Obama genuinely did want to end all these wars. Eg, I remember when he wanted to engage the Syrian Govt rather than start another war, being pushed by the neocons. Suddenly there were all these armed 'protesters', not Syrians, flooding the country.
Same thing with Libya. Forcing his hand. Bush of course was on board with all of it so it was easy for them then.
Iran tells us that the neocons are still desperate for war there. The sneaky plot to undermine Obama's efforts to resolve the issue peacefully shows how they are willing to go over the head of ANYONE, including the POTUS, to follow through with their nefarious and disastrous plans for that region of the world.
Same thing regarding Russia. Neocons were over there and I wonder if Obama was even consulted. The neocons miss the old 'commie' wars.
The only way to stop them, aside from arresting and prosecuting them, is for the people to refuse to be conned by them into more war.
However, I don't have much faith in that happening, considering they own the Media now where the American people will never be allowed to see any voices offering any view other than the one they are pushing.
ChosenUnWisely
(588 posts)take care of the ISIS problem instead of getting other people who do not live in the region to come and take care of them, ISIS.
I am to the point now of letting ISIS run rough shod over the ME until the people of the ME stand up and fight back.
If they don't want to fight back they can enjoy living under ISIS rule instead.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)ChosenUnWisely
(588 posts)greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)I don't approve of foreign troops going there. I see ISIS itself as a type of foreign invasion which the local people need to deal with.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)just because they can.
Plus I would guess that the beheadings etc. which include Arabs are also meant to terrorize their own people to the extent that the people are afraid to fight back. They are using murder to control the territory they hold and subdue the populations. I doubt we are hearing half of what they are doing to their captives - rape, torture.
JI7
(89,251 posts)And it usually takes things like what happened to the Jordanian pilot to get more involved.
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)..is an important explanation. No doubt it is not the only reason for the savagery, but one of the big reasons is that ISIS wants 'infidel' like the US and Europe to respond with ground troops, which would then give ISIS a better chance of killing Americans and Europeans than if they tried to carry out operations abroad.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)a self-feeding and self-escalating war.
dissentient
(861 posts)ISIS appears to get off on all the attention, seems like.
And if ISIS wants to prove they are so big and bad, then take on the country that is armed to the teeth in that region, Israel. ISIS are too cowardly to do that though. They would get their asses kicked if they started attacking Israelis, or did videos of beheading or burning them.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Typed ISIS into the box and your wish will be granted.
tblue37
(65,395 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)knocking out the local secular dictator. I mean, who could have imagined such a thing??
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)and subject their cities to occupation with loose rules of engagement for a decade" thing.
There's no way that could backfire.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)as that seems to be a completely new tact.
The throwing of gay men from tall buildings is also a fairly new thing to me but I keep reading in "news" pieces that the quran calls for that style of execution. I can't find anything to support that claim but I do remember that before 9/11 the Taliban used to topple walls on top of accused homosexuals and claim that that is the quran's proscribed execution method.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)There's a whole jihadi Twittersphere thing going on. In fact ISIS is probably the world's first social media army.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Is it like, "whoever gets the most retweets gets their execution carried out?"
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)and make, "kill him with kindness" the top tweet.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)combined with old-fashioned barbarism. Barbarians find it easier to justify their work when acting in the name of their non-existent gawd. This combination is as old as time. While barbarians will always find a way to justify their barbarism, when they convince themselves that it's skydaddy's will everything gets turned up to 11 or 12. Ergo, ISIS.
Humanity must either find a way to evolve past its seeming need to believe in Iron Age fairytales or it will perish.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Americans spent decades lynching black men, torturing them and burning alive those they didn't hang.
The CIA in the last century supplied napalm bombs that were used on Kurdish villages.
And even in this current century, as young as it is, America used a bomb in it's war of aggression against Iraq that was designed to explode at low levels, and was though to have essentially incinerated up to 12000 Iraqis.
And you can certainly go back through prior history to find similar brutalities from Germany in WW2 (or American atomic bombs) on back into time.
ISIS is just spending more time deliberately making sure the media covers the atrocities it commits, whereas most state actors generally try to hide their atrocities.