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I read this week that VP Biden 'hasn't decided yet whether or not to attend Netanyahu's speech' to Congress! Why?
The plot hatched between Israeli Ambassador Dermer and Netanyahu to use Boehner in order to undermine President Obama's efforts for a peaceful resolution with Iran, has outraged world leaders from the US to Europe to Israel itself.
So what is the problem? These plotters insulted this COUNTRY, by insulting its President.
Dems, who were on board with Bibi initially, like Menendez eg, have begun to change their minds since the tide turned so swiftly after the nefarious plot was exposed.
They are now expressing their own intentions not to vote for Menendez's own Amendment to increase sanctions on Iran, Bibi's reason for coming to encourage them to do so against the President's wishes.
What is everyone waiting for? The Israeli Ambassador also treated Kerry like garbage when he kept quiet about the plot during a visit from Kerry to the Israeli Embassy.
Kerry has stated, rightfully, he will not be meeting with Bibi if he comes to the US.
French President Hollande did not hesitate to show his displeasure when Netanyahu insulted HIM by refusing to comply with a request HE made and simply doing what HE wanted.
Hollande asked Netanyahu not to attend Paris memorial march
Hollande sat through most of the ceremony, but when Netanyahu's turn at the podium arrived, the French president got up from his seat and made an early exit.
When the French Govt found out that Netanyahu intended to defy their request, they invited Abbas to the ceremony and their reaction to Bibi's flaunting of their authority, was swift.
Israel PM defied France to join Paris march: reports
"Hollande sat through most of the ceremony, but when Netanyahu's turn at the podium arrived, the French president got up from his seat and made an early exit."
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"Before Netanyahu began his speech, President Hollande left with his entourage... The impressive delegation of leaders from the Muslim community who attended the ceremony also chose to leave. They all, apparently, had prior commitments."
Netanyahu's conduct was widely criticised by Israeli commentators.
"It was embarrassing, not to say disgraceful, to see Israel's prime minister yesterday trying to push his way onto a bus that he was not supposed to board, making his way determinedly from the second row (where he was placed) to the row of leaders walking in front (which he took over), behaving in a mourning parade as in an election rally," Ben Caspit wrote in the rightwing Maariv newspaper.
"The reprisal was not late in coming. President Francois Hollande fell on Abu Mazens (Abbas's) shoulders in a close embrace but greeted Netanyahu with a frozen hand."
It's way past time to teach this authoritarian who appears to believe he has so much control of our Congress, a hard lesson.
Democrats AND Biden need to announce TODAY, that the Bibi/Dremer/Boehner plot for a speech to a 'joint session of Congress' will not be happening.
Calling hesitant Democrats worked to help them step back from their initial support for this disaster.
So if we continue to call them, maybe for once, Bibi will get a lesson he so needs and for so long.
The Ambassador Dremer also needs to hear what the American people think of foreign agents interfering with their President's Foreign Policies. He seemed to think we don't matter at all.
Israeli Embassy Phone #: (202) 364-5500
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)Over-compensation??
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)it is own natural hair! If so, maybe a rug would be better ....
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)And so there is an actual exchange of ideas about any and everything. Which is not something that occurs here.
Here we have only a binary discussion, and you have to be wary of what is being said.
Far too often, here in the USA, there is no one correct side that is being proposed, just a side that is weird on the "Far Right" and a side that is weird on the "Centrist Middle."
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)And those wanting to take over this country knew that, which is why they worked so hard to take over the media.
Imo, to restore this democracy to even a semblance of what it ought to be, restoring the Fairness Doctrine, which wasn't perfect, is going to be necessary. How to do that, is another question.
We never hear Liberal voices on the Corporate Media. You have to go to foreign media to hear our best journalists now.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)that to the overturning and gutting of most of ACA in the same week, and guess what you have...
What you should have is an actual revolution, but we will do absolutely nothing.
Rex
(65,616 posts)American media is infortainment at best. We have subjective pundits lying about facts and history on supposed news channels. I'd much rather listen to the BBC world news report.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)Which is more insulting, to walk out en masse, or one at a time, making a continuous parade?
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)I think this is the one thing that will send the message - imagine the expression on Boner's face - he might be embarrassed and blush - if you could see red through the orange!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)an act that, finally, has disgusted nearly everyone, here and around the world, is BLAMING BOEHNER!!
So not only did they USE Boehner, knowing they could, when they all got caught, they are calling HIM a 'liar'.
Dermer is claiming that he 'didn't mean it' or something, but that Boehner lied to him that it would be a 'Joint Session' of Congress.
But Boehner didn't lie. A few weeks ago, Democrats WERE planning on attending the speech, some of them publicly agreeing with Bibi that Menendez' (Dem) bill demanding new sanctions on Iran, (against Obama's wishes) should pass.
But then the outrage began. From the WH, then from the five nations who are working with the President on Iran, and even from Israel.
So Dems 'began to waver' and now are in revolt, they heard from the American people also.
But Dermer the worm, who plotted the whole thing, used Boehner, is now trying to save his own neck by BLAMING BOEHNER!! Lol!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)must have made an impression.
AND as an additional slap in the face to the bully, Bibi, he hugged the Palestinian Rep. The French know how to return a slap in the face. Time for Dems to learn how to do it also. Sick of watching them be bullied, by everyone.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)It's amazing this got so little coverage in our media. Instead they were mocking our secretary of state for bringing James Taylor with him.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)media to get news. I don't watch the MSM much so don't know if they are reporting on the firestorm that this has caused, not just here but in Israel, too and the five countries working on Iran with Obama have publicly asked that Netanyahu not interfere with Congress's decision.
abakan
(1,819 posts)Great minds think alike...
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)it's every foreign dignitary and corporate CEO foreign and domestic who hopes to do money what Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany failed to do with force of arms. For the sake our children and our planet it is time to start kicking ass and taking names.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)more influence over our Representatives than the people they work for, us, have.
I hope Dems boycott this speech, I don't know what the delay in simply announcing it is, but they're not the most heroic group in the world. They have to weigh all their options, funding etc.
Otoh, Hollande didn't waste any time at all. Insulted Bibi right back as fast as he could.
mountain grammy
(26,642 posts)dissentient
(861 posts)I feel sorry for all the good progressives and liberals in Israel that the country keeps electing this jerk.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)the administration was not happy about. They are Fox, Rush, Freeper far right, bullies.
And to be honest I have no idea why Dems are waiting to decide what to do about this speech or not.
There is no political gain to letting them get away with this. It truly was an outrage.
JEB
(4,748 posts)invite a representative from Iran to give an accompanying speech? Walking out would be good too.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)shoulder to Netanyahu, because of Bibi's insulting behavior towards him.
So yes, I think that would be the right thing to do. The American people have a right to know what is going on. Bibi thinks HE runs this country's Foreign Policies.
But Dems will never go that far, even with all this, Wassermann has said she won't participate in boycotting her buddy, Bibi. And Reid is wavering, praising Bibi as a 'thoughtful friend' or some such garbage.
We have to hope that Dems will find the backbone, as de Blasio called the missing ingredient in our party, to stand up for this COUNTRY against this bullying, interfering war criminal.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)France has the largest Jewish and Moslem population in Europe. Hollande had no idea whether the Charlie Hebdo situation might get out of control in the following days. Netanyahu is a polarizing figure. It would have been better for neither Netanyahu nor Abbas to involve themselves. I do understand the desire of the leader of the Jewish state to show concern for the Jewish people in France and the four victims of the attrocious act of murder specifically against Jews by Coulibaly in the Kosher store. But turning the event of mourning into an opportunity to derive a political advantage by Netanyahu was inappropriate. Personally, had I been Hollande, I would not have walked out on Netanyahu's speech, because Netanyahu (unfortunately) is a symbol and leader of the Israeli people and is not just an individual. I would have publicly condemned Netanyahu in the press, however, had I been Hollande.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)French Government. However, once Netanyahu decided to ignore the request, the French had no option but to invite Abbas also.
I think Hollande did exactly the right thing. Netanyahu IS a polarizing figure, he is one of the most unpopular leaders in the world, for one thing.
As for as being a head of state, that doesn't excuse his arrogant disregard for OTHER heads of state, such as President Obama AND President Hollande.
He has also seriously insulted our SOS.
At this point, any disrespect he receives was brought on by his own horrible behavior. And heads of state like Obama and Hollande, cannot allow someone like this to disrespect THEIR countries without consequences.
As for his concerns for Jews in France, doesn't seem like they are too happy with him at all. They are French citizens and many were highly offended by his attempt to encourage them leave their country.
The man is a liability to Israel at this point, where he has also received much condemnation for his outrageous behavior.
Hopefully they will not keep him in a situation where he can further harm their country in the upcoming election.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)and recommended a whole bunch!
malaise
(269,144 posts)Rec
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)just to appear fair and balanced, then place him in the front row next to the Supreme Court justices.
Surely that will send a massive message.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Netanyahu that he did just that, he invited Abbas and then gave him a big hug while giving the cold shoulder to Netanyahu.
Bullies need to be confronted, and that is what Hollande did.
Let's see how our leaders handle this. So far, there seems to be some hesitancy on their part, which is extremely puzzling considering the insult to THIS country was even more egregious.
It was an attempt to interfere in the Foreign Policies of this president. And it was done the way a bunch of internet trolls would gleefully plot against someone they didn't like.
There should have been a swift reaction IF we had leaders with any spine.
First demand that the main plotter, Dermer, be recalled from his post as Ambassador, and if that request was denied, kick him out.
The second, an announcement from Democrats, and some Repubs who don't seem to like Boehner's little game either, that there will be NO JOINT SESSION of Congress for Netanyahu to address.
Boehner claims he has the right as Speaker, fine.
Dems have the right to turn it into a one party, the choir iow, affair.
But already we have a few weak links, as always, in our party.