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underpants

(182,861 posts)
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 12:38 PM Feb 2015

¿P.R.? Where were all these Veterans all these years Brian Williams was telling this story?

Let me stress two points to start:
-This is not an attack on the Vets.
-This is not a defense or excuse for Williams in anyway. He strewed up, for years, and he is just part of a horrifically bad news bubble that America lives under.

Where were all these Vets while Williams was repeatedly telling this story including on other national TV shows like Letterman?
Have they just now retired and are no longer restrained in their rights as members of the military are?

From what I can tell Williams was in the helicopter group just not on the one that got hit. They were "in Indian country" (Vietnam saying) as Williams said. Again NOT an excuse or defense. Our local RW drive time guy played Williams on Letterman soundbites and then stated that the WHOLE THING was false....then I happened by Hannity's taped radio show and he stated that Williams was "45 minutes behind" the group.....hmmmm..... Hannity taking it to the next step......we've seen this before.

This just smells to me as a coordinated Public Relations effort/campaign.

What raises flags for me?
Bowe Bergdahl
I passed a TV on a Saturday when the news was breaking that we were getting the last POW in Afghanistan back. I cringed a bit when I heard of the Gitmo detainees that were part of this trade. I knew the wrath that the RW press (and the rest of MSM to follow) would bring. Then I started hearing about what Bergdahl's former fellow soldiers were tweeting and saying publicly. How did the press know where to go look? Did they have a "Bergdahl book"? When the Terri Schiavo story broke we found out that there were "Schiavo books" not in the pressrooms but at both sides of the abortion issue. I had no knowledge of the Schiavo story but the concerned sides did. My intuition was that NO the press did not have "Bergdahl book"s with sources to go to for opinions. The American media is far too lazy and run too cheaply for that. It turns out that the Bergdahl story was being orchestrated by a P.R. firm run by a "Republican strategist" and Fox News commentator Richard Grenell. Grenell basically used the "Swift Boat" template - former fellow soldiers with crafted talking points/lies.

Public News Enemy #1
Even casual observers of the RW press propaganda machine knows that NBC News has been their prime target for most of the last 10-15 years. At one time it was ABC but for the most part now it is NBC. I assumed that it was because the NBC Nightly News and The Today Show were dominant in broadcast "news" and the RW had a concentrated effort to browbeat them as the RW has done with most of the news. For TV news watchers (other than Fox News believers) Matt Lauer and Brian Williams provided the news they got on the way out the door and the news they got when they were done with their day. Add in the standing of NBC's Meet the Press. It appeared to be an effort to besiege them on all sides and frankly it worked. NBC carried the water for the Right either by just allowing their nonsense onto the airwaves as news or openly promoting the right.

I will not be surprised if we find out that this latest effort (even though it is fact based not just template opinions) is coordinated. I just thought I would ask if anyone had any info on this.



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NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
1. They were probably busy with other things.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 12:40 PM
Feb 2015

Somehow, I don't imagine this would've been in their highest of priorities.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
2. Very good points Underpants ! I would not put any of it past
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 12:51 PM
Feb 2015

the RW and RW media.

It guess it goes without saying that it is the height of hypocrisy that the RW lied about WMD and brought us a war where people died. And Fox tells lies every ten seconds.

I haven't had time to follow the details - how far behind the helicopter that was barraged was Williams' ? If you are relatively close - I don't think it's a stretch to say you were being attacked. Truthfully, if you are in a nearby copter, how would you know you wouldn't be in the sight line?

underpants

(182,861 posts)
8. It depends on who you ask and when they tell the story
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 01:15 PM
Feb 2015

I found these. I think the second one is the basis of Hannity's "45 minute" claim. I don't know that I agree with the Kos stated of him being "Swift Boated" completely but the fact that Tucker Carlson is one of the main trumpeters of this story may support some of my questions/contentions in the OP.


On Thursday, Army flight crews who were present at the event told Stars and Stripes that Williams "was actually flying with a different helicopter company altogether — in a different direction, and linked to the attacked unit by radio only." The assertion tempts one to believe that Williams is some sort of pathological liar who refuses to come fully clean.

"Rich Krell, who was piloting the Chinook that Williams was on, tells a slightly different story than the crew members who spoke to Stars and Stripes," CNN reports. "Krell explained that, contrary to Williams' comments in the past, there were three helicopters flying in close formation, not four."

Krell told CNN that Williams and other NBC staffers were in the "second bird" in the formation. He said that the "first bird," which was right in front of the "second bird," was struck by the RPG. He also said that all three of the helicopters in the company were hit by small arms fire.

So, take those Stars & Stripes reports with a grain of salt.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/02/even-the-soldiers-cant-get-the-brian-williams-story-202183.html

...Rich Krell, who was piloting the Chinook that Williams was on, tells a slightly different story than the crew members who spoke to Stars and Stripes.
...

Williams was in the back of Krell's aircraft along with three other NBC staffers. Krell referred to his Chinook as the "second bird" in the formation. The "first bird," right in front of the "second bird," was struck by the RPG.

...

All three of the helicopters were hit by small arms fire, Krell said, supporting Williams' past claims about that.

...

The three Chinooks took evasive maneuvers. Krell's helicopter dropped off its payload, then met up with the other two about 45 minutes later. That may explain why the other crew members told Stars and Stripes that Williams arrived in the area later.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/02/05/1362551/-They-re-Trying-to-Swift-Boat-Brian-Williams#

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
10. Which has since been revised by Krell.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 01:21 PM
Feb 2015

He now claims that his memory of that day may be wrong.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/06/media/stelter-iraq-pilots/

The pilot I interviewed on Thursday about Brian Williams is no longer standing by his story.

That pilot, Rich Krell, told me he was flying the helicopter Williams was on in Iraq -- an account now contradicted by several other soldiers.

On Friday morning, Krell told me that "the information I gave you was true based on my memories, but at this point I am questioning my memories."

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
3. I was in Iraq. I didn't really do alot. But I sure as hell don't go around policing what
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 12:57 PM
Feb 2015

what everyone says.

samsingh

(17,600 posts)
4. brian williams has never seemed like a liberal or progressive
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 01:01 PM
Feb 2015

he usually parotts right wing points. i remember his speech after 911 where he said something like bush's performance in the last few days has put to rest any questions about his ability to be president. No need to look at the hanging chad.

this was orwellian and dictatorial propaganda at its best. At once he was saying that bush was doing well (nevermind that he was hardly heard from a disaster whose warnings he ignored) in the role AND the that this meant he deserved to be president - nevermind counting the chads remaining in florida.

this is awful disgusting stuff and the fact that it can be done in America makes a mockery of the entire media (it is only a tool of the wealthy and elites) and other institutions that ignored the true facts around the stolen 2000 election and the repug stupidity that allowed 911 to happen (i'm being kind here).

brian williams has been no hero to the people or for the truth.

underpants

(182,861 posts)
9. I think Williams was seen as somewhat lib/prog for two reasons
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 01:20 PM
Feb 2015

One - anyone who isn't fully on the RW propaganda nuthouse can be seen as liberal/progressive
Two - He and Jon Stewart are apparently really good friends so I think that people extrapolated that out to Williams being liberal/progressive

You are spot on about Williams and all of the MSM after 9/11. I remember Peter Jennings of all people saying (I think when W finally appeared in public standing on the wreckage) that "this validates his Presidency" or something to that effect. I remember rolling my eyes knowing the sh!tstorm that was coming.

samsingh

(17,600 posts)
12. the corporate masters behind the scenes were all writing the script
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 05:02 PM
Feb 2015

bush was so incompetant that 911 happened and somehow they brainwashed people not be even ask that question .

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
13. Only the astute (us) knew it was all bullshit. The lesser beings
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 10:41 PM
Feb 2015

got caught up in the moment and probably didn't even know Bush/Cheney were
destined to become mass murderers

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
5. I think that Brian Williams told the story in somewhat different
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 01:02 PM
Feb 2015

ways every time--it morphed, and the relative handful of people in the military who were in a position to correct him probably weren't following him around paying attention to every version that came out of his mouth. The Bergdahl Pounce was readied beforehand--had Bergdahl died as a POW, they were ready to pound Obama, and when Bergdahl was freed, they were ready to pound both him and Obama. All set up in advance.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
11. Why would "they" want to scapegoat or discredit Brian Williams?
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 01:46 PM
Feb 2015

He's been carrying water for corporate interests in the US for years.

I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next paranoiac but this just seems a little too for me.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
14. From what I've read...
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 12:47 AM
Feb 2015

they've been commenting on social media for quite some time.

Read the Stars and Stripes article - that's what blew it open.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
15. It's not like some guys I've talked to in Asian bars who claim they were "in country" in Nam
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 01:06 AM
Feb 2015

and part of a "LURPS (long range reconnaissance patrol) unit of the Army Rangers and took fire from the "little people", when they never even served.

Williams appeared to have been in harm's way, at least.

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