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Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 03:06 PM Feb 2015

Europe, U.S. clash over how to confront Putin over Ukraine/Globe and Mail/CA

May cooler heads prevail.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/merkel-rules-out-arming-ukraine-government/article22851895/

Differences within the Western alliance over whether to send defensive arms to Ukraine were thrust into the open on Saturday when Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, bluntly opposed providing lethal military support to Kiev and called instead for continued efforts to persuade Russia and separatist forces to cease-fire.

“The progress that Ukraine needs cannot be achieved by more weapons,” she told a security conference here. Instead, she spoke of how Western values and persistence won the Cold War.

Merkel’s position was challenged by Sen. Bob Corker, a Republican who is chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and by Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who noted that there was growing support in the U.S. Congress for arming Ukraine to make Russia pay a higher price.

And Malcolm Rifkind, the former British foreign secretary and conservative politician, said it was unlikely a peace agreement could be reached unless there was a combination of military assistance and diplomacy, so that the Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine faced tougher Ukrainian resistance.

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Europe, U.S. clash over how to confront Putin over Ukraine/Globe and Mail/CA (Original Post) Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 OP
Go ahead arm them OverseaVisitor Feb 2015 #1
"The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men, gang aft agley." Robert Burns Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #2
I pity your President OverseaVisitor Feb 2015 #3
Obama will never arm Kiev, never. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #5
I do not know OverseaVisitor Feb 2015 #6
More war propaganda being advanced by the fear mongering war loving American mass media. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #4
 

OverseaVisitor

(296 posts)
1. Go ahead arm them
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 03:20 PM
Feb 2015

Then Russian troops start invading. All over in maybe 2 days.

Then you can have a real war US versus Russian and start lobbing nukes.

I think everyone should stop pretending and take a hard look at what will be the price.

Have Russia ever attack US or Europe?

Are so many of the countries in Eastern Europe ex Soviet Union?

Did Russia after the break up let them be independent?

Nah must put military base there to threaten the devil.

STUPID

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
2. "The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men, gang aft agley." Robert Burns
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 03:36 PM
Feb 2015

The squabble between Ukraine and Russia is one that Europe and America would be wise to stay out of.

 

OverseaVisitor

(296 posts)
3. I pity your President
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 03:43 PM
Feb 2015

If he back down the R will call him a wimp.

Then everyone starting playing politics with nukes

 

OverseaVisitor

(296 posts)
6. I do not know
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 05:18 PM
Feb 2015

I am a Malaysian. Digging for answer on MH 17 lead me to a better understanding of what happen in Ukraine.
It is like history repeating.

The rise of Nazi and how the world just ignoring it and finally lead to a world war. I was not born then, just can read history.

Now we see genocide. The people of Ukraine fighting each other.
The first after overthrow was to ban the use of Russian language under the cry of one nation one language. It is such a stupid law. Like an intentional push toward chaos.

Of course the russian speaking population got frighten especially when you see Nazi emblem all over and they taking power.

What i heard from the mass media was very different from the facts from many people who are on the ground.

I seriously think there can be no possible peaceful outcome. Not with all the dead and the destruction of properties. One side will have to win.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. More war propaganda being advanced by the fear mongering war loving American mass media.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 04:09 PM
Feb 2015

The truth is the Executive Branch is still talking peace negotiations and it is only the impotent and unconstitutional rantings of the American war Hawks and their media wanting war.

Even Kiev says it wants a ceasefire!

The Ukranian President Poroshenko waving around a bunch of passports as "evidence" the Russian army is at Kiev's door is comical, like Bibi at the UN.

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