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NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 07:25 PM Feb 2015

SC 5 and righty HATES ACA because a black man gets credit for it, and they are about to

gut the law, and that way they can take away the black man's legacy.

Count on it...

I pray not, but they will.

And, the business people who lose out like health insurance people will be able to say:

"Damn that Obama for getting us involved in a scheme that isnt even legal"

when of course it is so legal, jesus I hope this starts a REAL revolution.

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SC 5 and righty HATES ACA because a black man gets credit for it, and they are about to (Original Post) NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 OP
His "legacy" will never be wiped out. It only requires someone to tell it truthfully. kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #1
Like you said, it depends on who tells the story. And righty will go down as the terrible NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #3
My ptchfork is alwas ready. eom MohRokTah Feb 2015 #2
There is a problem with that theory. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #4
no,sorry NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #6
The text of the law doesn't matter! Only the race of the president matters! DesMoinesDem Feb 2015 #11
I think you are forgetting that John Roberts saved ACA from total destruction Reter Feb 2015 #5
He sort of saved it but his decision wasnt damage free either. NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #7
John Roberts forgot he hates black people. He won't forget this time! DesMoinesDem Feb 2015 #10
Clarence Thomas hates black people! DesMoinesDem Feb 2015 #8
sigh NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #9
 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
1. His "legacy" will never be wiped out. It only requires someone to tell it truthfully.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 10:10 PM
Feb 2015

His primary legacy will be trying to do the right thing.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
3. Like you said, it depends on who tells the story. And righty will go down as the terrible
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 12:39 PM
Feb 2015

obstructionist assholes they are or were, but ALEC and friends will do everything they can to control the history books in our schools.

It isnt clear cut that what we know today will be known in the future.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
4. There is a problem with that theory.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 01:45 PM
Feb 2015

Words mean things. We can't pretend that they don't. The ACA was written with the assumption that anyone with half a brain would see the advantages of setting up a State Run exchange. This was further encouraged by the benefits of the Federal Government picking up part of the tab. What wasn't considered was what happens if the opponents of the ACA didn't have half that brain.

They refused to set up the State Exchanges. This meant by the letter of the law, that the payments to make insurance affordable to the poorest among us were not eligible. The intent was always to provide the assistance to the poorest among us, but the letter of the law says it was supposed to go through the State Run Exchange.

Those without the aforementioned half a brain saw the loophole, and waited patiently. If the initial challenge failed, this was the second phase of the attack against it. Now, we can bemoan the audacity of those who are challenging the law based upon the letter of the law. Besides being useless, it shows how a single mistake in the language can have catastrophic consequences. I also think that the Supreme Court will rule against us. I think it is very likely. It will probably be 5-4. But is it the fault of the Supreme Court? Or is it the fault of those who wrote the law this way?

Let's say that we are doing business. We agree to a price for me to perform a service, say resurfacing the parking lot of your business. We agree on a price, and your legal department draws up the contract. Unbeknownst to me, or you, as we sign it, the price mentioned is ten times what we agreed upon. Who's fault is it? Is it mine? I didn't type the contract up. Am I the bad guy because your legal department wrote the contract up wrong? Instead of a thousand dollars, you wrote ten thousand in the contract. One extra zero, and I look at it and decide to get all I can from you.

We argue in court. Your argument is that our agreement was for one thousand dollars. I argue that the contract in writing signed by you, drawn up by your legal team, is for ten thousand. How does the court rule? The intent, or the letter? Nine times out of ten, the letter is the deciding factor.

That is the situation we're in now. Democratic Congressmen had their legal teams write the law. Now, we're reduced to arguing that we didn't mean what was actually written. That's why I think the Supreme Court is going to find against us, because we wrote the law, and we passed the law. Now we want the law to take into account the intent that we did not write down.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
6. no,sorry
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 01:52 PM
Feb 2015

The intent is well stated in the law, the only way this can be decided against ACA is to ignore everything else in the law

There was NO reason for the SC to take the case in the first place

I dont have the time to link you to endless legal opinions of why this is but they are out there

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
5. I think you are forgetting that John Roberts saved ACA from total destruction
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 01:50 PM
Feb 2015

He has to get at least some credit for it. He might save it again.

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
8. Clarence Thomas hates black people!
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 02:05 PM
Feb 2015

I think anyone that doesn't like Obamacare should be arrested for treason!

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