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I am no fan of Brian Williams but (Original Post) malaise Feb 2015 OP
I'm wit u, malaise. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #1
Yep malaise Feb 2015 #4
On the other hand pscot Feb 2015 #19
Brian Williams is one of us? n/t cui bono Feb 2015 #25
I assume he meant a Democrat. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #47
Our MSM is a joke, and we are the butt of it. NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #2
i hate to defend him and i admit i haven't closely paid attention JI7 Feb 2015 #3
I just found out about it last night.. and started reading articles.. Cha Feb 2015 #24
Different tale told by him at the 2 minute mark about the same story glasshouses Feb 2015 #38
actually, they are all the same. fuck everyone of them. it was the bloggers and roguevalley Feb 2015 #5
About personal experiences in time of war? BootinUp Feb 2015 #6
Every one of the embedded journalists lied malaise Feb 2015 #7
Burn them all then, lol. BootinUp Feb 2015 #8
In Waco, Texas? malaise Feb 2015 #11
You got me there. BootinUp Feb 2015 #13
Lighten up Francis nt Hutzpa Feb 2015 #15
Why should I? I feel fine, how about you? BootinUp Feb 2015 #30
Not necessarily Fla_Democrat Feb 2015 #57
True but that one was more complex malaise Feb 2015 #63
Not all Michael Ware was hard core glasshouses Feb 2015 #41
Right TNNurse Feb 2015 #23
He is also literate, while half the CNN and Faux people appear to have been D English students on point Feb 2015 #9
Wolf Blitzer and Brian Williams are just good frontmen who can forward lies with aplomb because of percieved trust. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #18
Murrow or Cronkite, they are not. They made the Faustian bargain of success for truth on point Feb 2015 #28
Good point. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #55
Not Uncle Walter... Cooley Hurd Feb 2015 #10
True malaise Feb 2015 #12
You are right. Our media is one big soap suds commercial where Cleita Feb 2015 #14
Which is why all of them are tip toeing around the issue, and the issue of only now Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #16
This may be their biggest lie to date malaise Feb 2015 #21
Amazing how Al Qaeda morph..... LovingA2andMI Feb 2015 #42
Media plan??? malaise Feb 2015 #51
Agreed. But since he's just a corporate line-reader LittleBlue Feb 2015 #17
I do hear what you're saying. cwydro Feb 2015 #20
+100. eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #22
There should be a thorough house cleaning MissDeeds Feb 2015 #26
Point taken Jack Rabbit Feb 2015 #27
The owners would replace them with younger clones malaise Feb 2015 #29
No, they won't Jack Rabbit Feb 2015 #32
When they merged the entertainment and news divisions BumRushDaShow Feb 2015 #31
Well if things work out the way they have lately rurallib Feb 2015 #33
Why it is so crazy when they have meltdowns over incidents like this or a Michael Moore film. raouldukelives Feb 2015 #34
They jail real journalists, don't they? All over the world. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #35
Or murder them. eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #36
And every single one of them should be fired! eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2015 #37
There is no real news networks anyway project_bluebook Feb 2015 #39
Hence Caretha Feb 2015 #40
I agree...this is BS. They are doing to him what they did to Dan Rather nt adigal Feb 2015 #43
Not BS, Dan Rather didn't lie about his war time experience. GGJohn Feb 2015 #45
Look for a repeat over Hillary's claim of taking ground fire. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #56
I believe that Hillary said... bvar22 Feb 2015 #62
I think it is foolhardy to believe the GOP won't use this in the general to denigrate her Enthusiast Feb 2015 #65
Yep... Triana Feb 2015 #44
No excuse. Both are wrong. 840high Feb 2015 #46
I agree. Renew Deal Feb 2015 #48
Mr. Williams' will most likely be gone, not because he lied... Contrary1 Feb 2015 #49
Today's MSM would rather talk about the small lies than the big ones. nt CJCRANE Feb 2015 #50
So that lying war criminals like Bush and Cheney malaise Feb 2015 #52
Only trivial lies are ever called out. Orsino Feb 2015 #53
Yup. It's a total double standard. It all depends on what the lie is about. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #54
+1,000 malaise Feb 2015 #64
Oh, then it's okay then. Iggo Feb 2015 #58
Peoples' memories often get embellished with retelling, until the person actually believes it mainer Feb 2015 #59
and she still has her job ... napkinz Feb 2015 #60
It's not Williams' fault, it's the... pinboy3niner Feb 2015 #61
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. I'm wit u, malaise.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 07:29 PM
Feb 2015

Everybody loves to jump on a dude, and when the dude is one of us it's even worse.

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malaise

(269,144 posts)
4. Yep
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 07:30 PM
Feb 2015

I think he's a pompous over-bearing ass but they are all LIARS - why should be be treated differently.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
19. On the other hand
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 08:09 PM
Feb 2015

you have to start somewhere. And the guy is definitely an ass, if you can believe what you read on the internet.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
2. Our MSM is a joke, and we are the butt of it.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 07:30 PM
Feb 2015

Even Rachel who I adore, has subjects that are off limits.

Though her pointing out all the pipeline disasters recently might get her ass fired...


I am pretty sure Brian has been described as a handsome face, nothing much deeper than that, by insiders, but I am not sure.

I do know from people who work in network news, they no longer look for intelligent, very reliable and honest people like Dan Rather.

What is the point, Rather is the most honest journalism alive and look at what happened to him.

When o when will the find the proof that the letter was planted by Rove, we all know it was.

JI7

(89,260 posts)
3. i hate to defend him and i admit i haven't closely paid attention
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 07:30 PM
Feb 2015

but it does seem like it could be him just conflating things rather than intentionally lying .

and i'm only referring to the particular events which are in question right now.

but i'm sure he has done a shit job along with many of the others in their reporting as they usually do.

Cha

(297,496 posts)
24. I just found out about it last night.. and started reading articles..
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 08:42 PM
Feb 2015

snip//

"Miller, Reynolds and Mike O’Keeffe, who was a door gunner on the damaged Chinook, said they all recall NBC reporting that Williams was aboard the aircraft that was attacked, despite it being false. The NBC online archive shows the network broadcast a news story on March 26, 2003, with the headline, “Target Iraq: Helicopter NBC’s Brian Williams Was Riding In Comes Under Fire.”

snip//

O’Keeffe said the incident has bothered him since he and others first saw the original report after returning to Kuwait.

“Over the years it faded,” he said, “and then to see it last week it was — I can’t believe he is still telling this false narrative.”

Much MOre.. Timeline..
http://www.stripes.com/news/us/nbc-s-brian-williams-recants-iraq-story-after-soldiers-protest-1.327792

Here's Brian Williams telling his 'bungled' Iraq story to David Letterman in 2013

Starts at 3 minute mark..



http://www.businessinsider.com/brian-williams-tells-bungled-iraq-story-2015-2

And, then of course.. there was the latest.. that led all hell to break loose and he really is "under fire"..

snip//

Williams made the claim about the incident while presenting NBC coverage of the tribute to the retired command sergeant major at the Rangers game Friday. Fans gave the soldier a standing ovation.

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/nbc-s-brian-williams-recants-iraq-story-after-soldiers-protest-1.327792

I don't defend Brian Williams.. I think he is a mediawhore tool who like all the others.. enabled the bombs on Iraq.. but, this time Williams messed up trying to mix it up with the Military.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
5. actually, they are all the same. fuck everyone of them. it was the bloggers and
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 07:30 PM
Feb 2015

soldiers who got williams. it could happen to all of them and it should. the reason his head is rolling is because he fucked over soldiers. This is why this one is ringing like the others aren't. He tried to be a seal and it got him.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
18. Wolf Blitzer and Brian Williams are just good frontmen who can forward lies with aplomb because of percieved trust.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 08:08 PM
Feb 2015

How else to justify their mult-million dollar salaries? What exactly do they do for those millions?

They sell their souls to the mass media news executives who seem to be untouchables.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
16. Which is why all of them are tip toeing around the issue, and the issue of only now
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 08:06 PM
Feb 2015

realizing the non-stop coversge of ISIS propaganda events the last few months was not a good idea.

Except for Fox.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
42. Amazing how Al Qaeda morph.....
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 10:26 PM
Feb 2015

Like overnight into ISIS. Unless, this was the "media plan" that is.....

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
17. Agreed. But since he's just a corporate line-reader
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 08:06 PM
Feb 2015

who flies into danger zones to make people forget he's not really a journalist, oh well.

Let the corporate hairdos jockey for their line-reader titles.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
20. I do hear what you're saying.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 08:09 PM
Feb 2015

But I don't care how many of them do it...it is WRONG.

Besides, I truly hate a liar.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
26. There should be a thorough house cleaning
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 09:00 PM
Feb 2015

across the board. It has to start with someone, and if it's Brian Williams, so be it. This pattern of lying will continue as long as viewers allow it.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
27. Point taken
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 09:00 PM
Feb 2015

However, my modest proposal is to fire them all. They're just tools of the corrupt establishment.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
32. No, they won't
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 09:35 PM
Feb 2015

At least not if we fire them, too, as we should.
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rurallib

(62,433 posts)
33. Well if things work out the way they have lately
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 09:39 PM
Feb 2015

they will figure out a way to blame Rev. Al or Ed Schultz and fire one of them

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
34. Why it is so crazy when they have meltdowns over incidents like this or a Michael Moore film.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 09:41 PM
Feb 2015

They tell more lies, daily, every 5 minutes than in the entire body of work of some of the people they attack.

Not like any of it is real anyway. All propaganda sponsored and funneled through corporate censors for our digestion. Reality is the one thing they never address. Which is why things keep getting worse. Without living in reality our solutions are only for an imaginary reality.

 

project_bluebook

(411 posts)
39. There is no real news networks anyway
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 10:02 PM
Feb 2015

its all entertainment, flashing the shiny coin in front of our eyes to get our attention. They can lie all they want so one hosts embellishments isn't worth all this attention.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
40. Hence
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 10:06 PM
Feb 2015

according to you, who cares if news networks or any journalist lies....it's just the way things are, so get used to it.

Got it.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
45. Not BS, Dan Rather didn't lie about his war time experience.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 11:39 PM
Feb 2015

Brian Williams flat out lied about being in a bird that took hostile ground fire, and then kept embellishing it over the years.
The only reason he's retracting his lie is because the soldiers on that flight of 2 choppers have totally refuted his account of what happened.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
62. I believe that Hillary said...
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 06:50 PM
Feb 2015

Last edited Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:48 PM - Edit history (1)

...that she was dodging sniper fire. running on the tarmac after her chopper landed in Tuzla,
an account quickly contradicted by ground personnel at Tuzla.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
65. I think it is foolhardy to believe the GOP won't use this in the general to denigrate her
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 06:59 AM
Feb 2015

and undermine her credibility. We have watched the media grab an issue such as this and repeat it until we are ready to pull our hair out. That is my prediction. HRC has far too much baggage. Even if one is inclined to support her, which I am not.

Contrary1

(12,629 posts)
49. Mr. Williams' will most likely be gone, not because he lied...
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 04:27 AM
Feb 2015

but, because he admitted doing it. They all enhance the news; we're just not supposed to know about it.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
54. Yup. It's a total double standard. It all depends on what the lie is about.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 10:03 AM
Feb 2015

If an anchor knowingly lies to add credence to the official narrative all is well.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
59. Peoples' memories often get embellished with retelling, until the person actually believes it
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:18 AM
Feb 2015

Talk to any fisherman. He truly believes his fish was THAT LONG. It's not a conscious falsehood, and I feel sorry for Brian Williams.

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