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kpete

(72,013 posts)
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 08:38 PM Feb 2015

Not A Terrorist? 14 firearms seized from Chapel Hill shootings suspect's home

You're going to tell me he's not a terrorist? 14 firearms seized from #ChapelHillShooting suspect's home http://fw.to/2TMiz0Q via @WRAL:

14 firearms seized from Chapel Hill shootings suspect's home

DURHAM, N.C. — Investigators seized more than a dozen firearms and a cache of ammunition from the Chapel Hill home of a man charged with killing three students this week, according to search warrants released Friday.

Deah Shaddy Barakat, 23; his wife, Yusor Mohammad Abu-Salha, 21; and her sister Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha, 19, were found dead Tuesday evening at the newlywed couple's home about 3 miles from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill campus.

Craig Stephen Hicks, 46, who lived in the same condominium complex as the victims, is charged with three counts of first-degree murder. He is being held at Central Prison in Raleigh.

Police searched Hicks' home the night of the shootings and found two fully loaded handguns, a fully loaded AR-15 Bushmaster rifle, two shotguns, five other rifles, two other handguns and two pellet guns, according to one search warrant. They also found numerous magazines with varying amounts of ammunition, boxes of ammunition, shotgun shells, BBs, gun scopes and other gun-related items, the warrant states.


Read more at http://www.wral.com/14-firearms-seized-from-chapel-hill-shootings-suspect-s-home/14445302/#hBPARDtgA4i19Mms.99

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Not A Terrorist? 14 firearms seized from Chapel Hill shootings suspect's home (Original Post) kpete Feb 2015 OP
Just wait...the 2nd amendment brigade will be in here shortly Rex Feb 2015 #1
Actions make one a terrorist not ownership of firearms n/t SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #2
Intent . orpupilofnature57 Feb 2015 #6
?? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #10
Actions are a result of intentions, not the other way around . orpupilofnature57 Feb 2015 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #60
Actually it's Socratic. orpupilofnature57 Feb 2015 #62
Did his militant atheism provide the intent? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #14
No, Militant anything has an obvious Intent . Fear & Hatred . orpupilofnature57 Feb 2015 #32
That's his only redeeming quality everyone appreciates. ileus Feb 2015 #35
Well he didn't kill anybody with atheism BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #54
Hicks hated Muslims as much as he loved weapons of death. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #3
Bite your tongue, the killer is a patriotic, damn it! Iliyah Feb 2015 #39
Sadly, millions of gun fanciers consider that a small weapons cache. Hoyt Feb 2015 #4
And you would be wrong. GGJohn Feb 2015 #7
Same here SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #12
Yes I do, GGJohn Feb 2015 #13
Your three gun safes are not a surprise to me. I've read enough of your posts to know Hoyt Feb 2015 #20
Oh, I quite fine thank you, except for the usual medical issues associated with GGJohn Feb 2015 #23
Did you buy them valentines? Hoyt Feb 2015 #24
No, but I did buy my wife a dozen red roses and am cooking her GGJohn Feb 2015 #25
Good man you are sir Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #28
Thank you kind sir. eom GGJohn Feb 2015 #29
LOL Skittles Feb 2015 #48
+1 orpupilofnature57 Feb 2015 #8
2 BB guns. lock him up!!! Travis_0004 Feb 2015 #37
Of course he's a terrorist, albeit, a domestic terrorist. GGJohn Feb 2015 #5
I doubt it was his hatred of religion. Archae Feb 2015 #15
Last I heard, it was over a parking space, but I haven't really kept up GGJohn Feb 2015 #17
Hatred of *A* religion, not all religion. Archae Feb 2015 #19
Notice I said religion, singular, not religions, plural. eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #22
It seems he he was equal in his religous hate Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #27
That would make it a hate crime.. not necessarily an act of terrorism. X_Digger Feb 2015 #30
How about terrorist hate crime? eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #31
Nope. X_Digger Feb 2015 #43
I usually agree with everything you post, GGJohn Feb 2015 #46
probably millions of ppl in the USA have that many guns nt msongs Feb 2015 #9
There could be three million with that many and it's still less than 1% Fumesucker Feb 2015 #21
I don't think the number of guns weighs MerryBlooms Feb 2015 #11
Was it the BB guns that pushed him over into terrorism for you? aikoaiko Feb 2015 #16
loaded question DustyJoe Feb 2015 #38
He Was A Gun "Enthusiast", Dontch a Know... He Was Enthusiastic About Using One... WillyT Feb 2015 #18
how did they get 14? Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #26
ohhhh hey, it's all about you. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2015 #40
Yep, he is a murderer and will be convicted Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #41
is your man card feeling threatened? BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2015 #50
That is the standard response on any thread involving guns BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #56
Maybe it's cause you only seek out threads that push a vocal minority into that illogical corner? MasochisticHistorian Feb 2015 #58
He was an Athiest. Probably hates religion. yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #51
14 guns...ammo and scope Ohhhhh My...bb's and pellet guns. ileus Feb 2015 #33
A murderer shenmue Feb 2015 #36
Angry white male armed domestic terrorists. Lex Feb 2015 #42
more like some of the police Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #44
and they have NO CLUE how fucking pathetic they are Skittles Feb 2015 #49
^ n/t BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2015 #52
Terrorism has a definition. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #45
Logical thought is not going to earn you friends here. ManiacJoe Feb 2015 #53
yes they do MasochisticHistorian Feb 2015 #59
terrorist, gun humping paranoid coward, take your pick Skittles Feb 2015 #47
That's kind of redundant mwrguy Feb 2015 #55
Surprise surprise krispos42 Feb 2015 #57
He was part of the "well-regulated militia!" tabasco Feb 2015 #61
Also part of the well fed and paranoid militia, regulated by Fox and media Islamaphobia. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #63
Angry White Gun Nut = Terrorist jpak Feb 2015 #64
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
1. Just wait...the 2nd amendment brigade will be in here shortly
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 08:50 PM
Feb 2015

to talk about guns and ammo and scopes and stuff. Anything but your subject.

Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #34)

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
62. Actually it's Socratic.
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 10:02 AM
Feb 2015

And by the way, People " Understand " Statements are understood, or in Your case , NOT.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
35. That's his only redeeming quality everyone appreciates.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:56 PM
Feb 2015

If not for the evil guns making him kill he'd be adored.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. Hicks hated Muslims as much as he loved weapons of death.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 08:50 PM
Feb 2015

"According to the search warrants, a woman flagged down police and directed them to Barakat's and Yusor Abu-Salha's condo, saying her friend was bleeding. When officers arrived, they found Barakat dead in the front doorway bleeding from the head; one of the sisters was found in the kitchen, and the other was in the doorway to the kitchen.

A witness outside told police that he heard shots and saw a man leaving the condo and driving off in a gold car, the warrant states.

Police found eight shell casings in the living room of the condo and a bullet somewhere inside, according to a second warrant. They also seized three cellphones, a watch, two sets of keys and Barakat's wallet and keychain.

Hicks surrendered to law enforcement in Pittsboro, and investigators swabbed the driver's door handle and steering wheel of his Nissan for evidence, along with seizing his vehicle registration and insurance card, a third warrant states."


Read more at http://www.wral.com/14-firearms-seized-from-chapel-hill-shootings-suspect-s-home/14445302/#yPxyDPXMtAt6xCiu.99

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
39. Bite your tongue, the killer is a patriotic, damn it!
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:41 PM
Feb 2015

The NRA are the masters of the universe, and RWer's gawd is word. Hell, the NRA's corporate offices allows no guns, but the lurd's house goes. Hallelujah . . .

A co-worker basically said those things to me. This person reads fake news 24/7.

Prayers to the families of the victims, may the victims reside in the temple of everything good.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Sadly, millions of gun fanciers consider that a small weapons cache.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 08:52 PM
Feb 2015

I think it's a symptom of seriously troubled people.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
7. And you would be wrong.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:01 PM
Feb 2015

You would probably feint at the sight of what's in my safes, but I'm far from being a seriously troubled person, I am the most stable person I know.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
12. Same here
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:06 PM
Feb 2015

I own a large number of firearms, but I'm neither troubled nor a terrorist.

Lots of assumptions made about gun owners...of course, you know what they say about assuming...

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
13. Yes I do,
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:09 PM
Feb 2015

Assume, make an "ass out of u, but not me.
Of course, I didn't mean you, but a certain poster here.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
20. Your three gun safes are not a surprise to me. I've read enough of your posts to know
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:23 PM
Feb 2015

how you feel about gunz and other issues. I hope you get better someday.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
23. Oh, I quite fine thank you, except for the usual medical issues associated with
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:27 PM
Feb 2015

my age, something you can relate to.
BTW, I've added a 4th safe.
You should be happy that I practice safe storage.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
5. Of course he's a terrorist, albeit, a domestic terrorist.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 08:58 PM
Feb 2015

He shot and killed 3 people because of his hatred towards religion.

Archae

(46,344 posts)
15. I doubt it was his hatred of religion.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:13 PM
Feb 2015

Hatred of Muslims, yes.

But how many Christians/Jews/Buddhists/etc. did he shoot?

None.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
17. Last I heard, it was over a parking space, but I haven't really kept up
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:16 PM
Feb 2015

on the most recent events, but say you're right about his hatred of Muslim's, wouldn't that be a hatred of religion?

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
27. It seems he he was equal in his religous hate
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:38 PM
Feb 2015
Little is known about the alleged shooter, but his social media activity may help to fill in some of the blanks.

Craig Stephen Hicks identified himself on Facebook as an atheist and ridiculed different religions, including Christianity and Islam. He also put up a post in which he appeared to identify as an ally of the LGBTQ community.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/chapel-hill-shooting-alleged-shooter-long-frustrated-parking/story?id=28948627

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
30. That would make it a hate crime.. not necessarily an act of terrorism.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:43 PM
Feb 2015

Folks are playing loose and fast with terms.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
46. I usually agree with everything you post,
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 12:55 AM
Feb 2015

but, respectfully, I'm going to disagree with you on this one issue.
Peace.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
21. There could be three million with that many and it's still less than 1%
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:23 PM
Feb 2015

Which is far less than the number of Americans with mental health problems.

http://www.thekimfoundation.org/html/about_mental_ill/statistics.html

Mental disorders are common in the United States and internationally. An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older or about one in four adults suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year. When applied to the 2004 U.S. Census residential population estimate for ages 18 and older, this figure translates to 57.7 million people.

Even though mental disorders are widespread in the population, the main burden of illness is concentrated in a much smaller proportion about 6 percent, or 1 in 17 who suffer from a serious mental illness. In addition, mental disorders are the leading cause of disability in the U.S. and Canada for ages 15-44


MerryBlooms

(11,771 posts)
11. I don't think the number of guns weighs
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:05 PM
Feb 2015

into the terrorist question, but intent and actions sure as hell do.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
16. Was it the BB guns that pushed him over into terrorism for you?
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:14 PM
Feb 2015

For me Hicks is a terrorist (of one kind or another) for the act of shooting 3 beautiful people for no good reason. And all that took was one handgun.

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
38. loaded question
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:19 PM
Feb 2015

Will have to wait on the stats other than the 3 'fully loaded' guns versus the BB guns state of full, partial or not loaded to determine their terroristic threat. I assume from the article that the other rifles, shotgun were not in the dreaded 'fully loaded' states.

It seems the murdering idiot just needed one gun loaded with 3 bullets to kill the unarmed students.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
18. He Was A Gun "Enthusiast", Dontch a Know... He Was Enthusiastic About Using One...
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:20 PM
Feb 2015

On three innocent promising human beings.


 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
26. how did they get 14?
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:34 PM
Feb 2015
two fully loaded handguns, a fully loaded AR-15 Bushmaster rifle, two shotguns, five other rifles, two other handguns and two pellet guns.


So now we are counting pellet guns as firearms to make it sound worse, what bullshit.

Curious on what the rifles were, bolt action? 22? That is not that large if they were differing calibers for different purposes. I have that many. Large frame pistols and several old bolt action rifles. I guess I have a HUGE arsenal.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
40. ohhhh hey, it's all about you.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:42 PM
Feb 2015

A guy is a murderer. His personal belongings show he nurtures a lot of hate. He also really likes guns and doesn't practice accepted gun safety.

So, why do the gun enthusiasts here feel the need to get defensive about themselves and their gun interests?

Why do you guys not drop the self-defensive posture and just focus on the real people destroyed and those left suffering?


The problem is Hate + weapons= tragedy

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
41. Yep, he is a murderer and will be convicted
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:56 PM
Feb 2015

It is just bad reporting as has been pointed out to have to add pellet guns to make the story even more scary.

The firearms owners here just point out the fact it was not that large number of weapons. It really only takes one like he used. A handgun. But to many, the mention of the scary AR-15 makes it worse and I am sure some will call for another ban. They do not seem to worry that most murders are by handguns. The news has to include pellet guns, what a joke they are.

and you know, people have used cars a weapons also.
Police: Venice Beach Boardwalk driver 'bent on doing evil'
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/03/us/california-venice-beach-crash/
Woman arrested for allegedly running over 2 men at Arlington auto dealership
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/01/hit-and-run-driver-runs-over-one-victim-s-foot-drags-second-victim-110950.html#ixzz3RmZFr0Hn
Tucson police: Man intentionally ran over 3 people, killing 2
http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/tucson-police-man-intentionally-ran-over-people-killing/article_305ade32-a164-5788-aa77-59fc0d570c58.html
Suge Knight charged with murder, called 'the most evil person in the world' by victim's relative
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/suge-knight-hit-and-run-appears-intentional-cops-article-1.2097919
2 Mississippi women admit hate-crime role in running over, killing black man
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2014/12/2_mississippi_women_admit_hate.html
Woman dies after being run over several times in Douglasville
http://www.cbs46.com/story/25870293/vehicle-hits-pedestrian-in-douglasville#ixzz3Rma3loSg


BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
50. is your man card feeling threatened?
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 01:36 AM
Feb 2015

Because all that other defensive stuff in your post is pretty extraneous.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
56. That is the standard response on any thread involving guns
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 06:39 AM
Feb 2015

They do not stop and think for ONE SINGLE SECOND about the victims. They only give a damn about their ability to carry a deadly weapon. The gunner's mantra is "Your dead kids don't trump my rights!" I have never ever seen a thread about guns where this isn't what the Pro2A argument boiled down to. Not. Once.

58. Maybe it's cause you only seek out threads that push a vocal minority into that illogical corner?
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 08:56 AM
Feb 2015

Cause either way you cut it you would HATE our founders. Because there's really only two ways you can interpret the 2nd Amendment.
1.) It is my duty as an America to know how to use a firearm so that at some point I may serve in my state militia
2.) In case the government needs overthrowing we are able to practice our rate of doing such.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
33. 14 guns...ammo and scope Ohhhhh My...bb's and pellet guns.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:52 PM
Feb 2015

He shot 3 people and turned himself in...not a very good terrorist.


Sorry just a worthless nut, that it seems everyone was aware of.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
45. Terrorism has a definition.
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 12:48 AM
Feb 2015

As does hate crime, and mass shooting.

Mass shootings can be hate crimes.

Mass shootings can be terrorism.

Hate crimes can be terrorism.

Not all mass shootings are terrorism.

Not all mass shootings are hate crimes.

Not all hate crimes are terrorism.

59. yes they do
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 09:01 AM
Feb 2015

And terrorism definition specifically can not be one hate crime. Maybe a large spree of hate crimes, or the terroristic way the media operates could turn a small amount of hate crimes into terrorism, but yes are logical and right. This is not terrorism, thank you for being enlightened.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
57. Surprise surprise
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 07:34 AM
Feb 2015

He owned a variety of guns for variety of purposes.



I own 5... Guess I'm about a third of a terrorist.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
61. He was part of the "well-regulated militia!"
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 09:55 AM
Feb 2015

As a Well Regulated Militia man, of course he needed several weapons.

How do you expect the Well Regulated Militia to deal with threats like these three college students without proper weapons and equipment?

Thank goodness our wise founding fathers of the 18th century had the foresight to foresee our modern problems and our great need for the Well Regulated Militia!

jpak

(41,758 posts)
64. Angry White Gun Nut = Terrorist
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 11:14 AM
Feb 2015

AR-15 - the favored extender device of Angry White Men everywhere.

yup

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