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CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 12:21 AM Feb 2015

Police make 30 arrests for food stamp fraud in North Country




Police make 30 arrests for food stamp fraud in North Country


BRUSHTON, N.Y. -

More than 30 people have been nabbed for food stamp fraud in the North Country.

Investigators say over the past couple month's people used their food stamps to get food or alcohol at the Old Time Butcher Block store in Brushton.

Police also say it's not the first time the owner of that store, Dennis Sauve has been charged with allowing such fraud,

Police say more arrests are expected.

http://www.wcax.com/story/28064622/police-make-30-arrests-for-food-stamp-fraud-in-north-country

what's missing (according to the bigots)?

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Police make 30 arrests for food stamp fraud in North Country (Original Post) CatWoman Feb 2015 OP
Well that puts a whole new complexion on things, doesn't it? nt pinboy3niner Feb 2015 #1
Do you mean..."skin color".. as in all food stamp fraud is committed by " black people"? Stuart G Feb 2015 #30
um, what? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #2
you can't purchase alcohol via food stamps CatWoman Feb 2015 #3
i understood that. but you *can* purchase food. as in... ND-Dem Feb 2015 #7
Well, why not? There are no such restrictions on the Fraudulent Wall St Bankers who sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #12
You can if the store rings it up as food. bluedigger Feb 2015 #27
hence the fraud CatWoman Feb 2015 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #41
And what do they all have in common? JeffHead Feb 2015 #4
hence my posting this CatWoman Feb 2015 #5
LOL maybe that's the "fraud" rjsquirrel Feb 2015 #21
I see white people. Brigid Feb 2015 #6
ROFL alcibiades_mystery Feb 2015 #17
yo, Omar's coming CatWoman Feb 2015 #33
They're not allowed... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #8
You cannot buy "hot food" with SNAP - maybe that's it jpak Feb 2015 #26
Oh, yeah... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #34
One thing I have to wonder ... lpbk2713 Feb 2015 #9
My thoughts exactly. Was there a restriction attached to their Welfare Bailouts sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #13
The article says they used their cards to purchase food (and alcohol). The cards are for food. The jwirr Feb 2015 #10
I'm trying to understand the fraud daredtowork Feb 2015 #11
Jail rjsquirrel Feb 2015 #22
So they would not have to feed them: Downwinder Feb 2015 #14
It says people were using food stamps to obtain cash as well as alcohol daredtowork Feb 2015 #24
+100 JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #36
Ouch! This is going to leave a mark. herding cats Feb 2015 #15
And yet they cannot arrest banksters...oh well carry on. Rex Feb 2015 #16
This is a far more complicated problem that we have to investigate at great length alcibiades_mystery Feb 2015 #18
I don't really care if 30 people abused their food stamps PumpkinAle Feb 2015 #19
I bet they all vote straight-line GOP, too. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #20
That's because they think "welfare fraud" is rampant! daredtowork Feb 2015 #23
BINGO! Most of the people I know who are ripping off the tax payers are republicans! B Calm Feb 2015 #25
+1,000 CountAllVotes Feb 2015 #31
I live amongst rich republican farmers all complaining about people on welfare. One down the road B Calm Feb 2015 #37
Oh, if we use Bankster logic Newest Reality Feb 2015 #28
K and R...think about this one...great post....nt.... Stuart G Feb 2015 #29
b-b-b-but treestar Feb 2015 #35
You know every time they do one of these food stamp stings all they are doing is putting a nail in dilby Feb 2015 #38
Dilby, you got it. Mimosa Feb 2015 #40
Yeah, the racists need to read this before putting their Klan robes on... 47of74 Feb 2015 #39

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
30. Do you mean..."skin color".. as in all food stamp fraud is committed by " black people"?
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:07 PM
Feb 2015

How can it be, that "whites" commit fraud..or food stamp fraud..or steal..or ???
Great post...

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
2. um, what?
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 12:27 AM
Feb 2015
Investigators say....people used their food stamps to get food or alcohol at the Old Time Butcher Block store in Brushton.


I'm not seeing the crime here. And those people look poor to me.
 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
7. i understood that. but you *can* purchase food. as in...
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 12:51 AM
Feb 2015

:Investigators say....people used their food stamps to get food or alcohol"

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. Well, why not? There are no such restrictions on the Fraudulent Wall St Bankers who
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 01:31 AM
Feb 2015

accepted Billions in Welfare to bail them out after they gambled away the people's money. Is there a law attached to their Corporate Welfare Bailouts forbidding THEM from spending any of our Tax Dollars on Alcohol?

Response to CatWoman (Reply #3)

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
21. LOL maybe that's the "fraud"
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 08:05 AM
Feb 2015

Prosecutors discover white people using food stamps, decide it must be fraud.

Everyone I know on food stamps is actually white, now that I think about it.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
8. They're not allowed...
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 12:52 AM
Feb 2015

...to buy food from the Old Time Butcher Block store?...

I understand the alcohol issue,...but, food?...

Citizen's arrest!... Citizen's arrest!...

TYY

lpbk2713

(42,766 posts)
9. One thing I have to wonder ...
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 01:07 AM
Feb 2015



When was the last time they arrested a banker?


I see the point of the OP BTW.


sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
13. My thoughts exactly. Was there a restriction attached to their Welfare Bailouts
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 01:34 AM
Feb 2015

that they could not buy alcohol with our tax dollars?

I also see the point of the OP.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
10. The article says they used their cards to purchase food (and alcohol). The cards are for food. The
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 01:11 AM
Feb 2015

store apparently is taking food stamps for alcohol. That is the crime.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
11. I'm trying to understand the fraud
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 01:25 AM
Feb 2015

I understand that using food stamps to buy alcohol would be fraud, if the store owner was ringing it up as food.

But the article also says that food was purchased.

So it seems to me the fraud would be that these people were not eligible for food stamps...?

Or that the food stamp/ebt cards were sold to them...?

Or that the transactions themselves involved hacking the point of sale machine...? Why is a "ring" involved...?

I wish the article had detailed the nature of the fraud.


If the people involved were all eligible for food stamps but were buying alcohol instead (self-medication, addiction...), then I don't think a "fraud" arrest or implicating them in some kind of "crime ring" is really going to help them pull themselves out of their situation. An arrest record will only make things worse.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
14. So they would not have to feed them:
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 01:45 AM
Feb 2015

All of the arrestees were released on appearance tickets returnable in Moira Town Court, unless otherwise noted. Additional arrests are pending.

http://www.empirestatenews.net/News2015/20150210-4.htm

Also: North Bangor store owner charged with misuse of food stamps

http://www.pressrepublican.com/news/local_news/north-bangor-store-owner-charged-with-misuse-of-food-stamps/article_12f305da-2610-55bf-8c8c-1b3c631ce073.html

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
24. It says people were using food stamps to obtain cash as well as alcohol
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 01:38 PM
Feb 2015

Again, I'd like to know if the people were eligible for food stamps first.

If they were ELIGIBLE for food stamps, and they were in a situation like the Oakland area where they don't give you cash for basic necessities and deduct it from your benefits if you try to obtain that cash otherwise, then I can see trying to get cash somehow. You really do need some cash for utility bills, bus tickets, over the counter medicines, hygiene products, etc. There are things you NEED that are not food and the State currently does not provide for. It drives me nuts that the law tries to criminalize people for meeting their basic needs and just trying to survive until things get better.

If these people WEREN'T eligible for food stamps - if this really is some criminal ring who had some scheme going with the store owner: that's a different story. Then it's sad they handed the GOP another weapon against Food Stamps.

I just hope that people won't end up being punished for being poor here.

JustAnotherGen

(31,874 posts)
36. +100
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 03:31 PM
Feb 2015

I'm going to dig for more info. If they were in on it as fraudsters - that's one thing.

If they were going to make the purchase to sell it for bus fare - the safety net is broken.

Don't care bout their skin color!

herding cats

(19,567 posts)
15. Ouch! This is going to leave a mark.
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:08 AM
Feb 2015

The reports are confusing, but they 34 people arrested don't fit the profile of what American's have been told is taking place. Which I'm going to go out on a short limb here and say is why these reports are not very comprehensive.

Great find CatWoman!

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
18. This is a far more complicated problem that we have to investigate at great length
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:15 AM
Feb 2015

And why are we not investigating the banksters!

Meanwhile, Michael Brown was a "thug" who - oh well - deserved to get shot for a "strong armed robbery" of $5 worth of cigarillos.

Interesting to see who gets the benefit of the doubt, even on a liberal discussion board.

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
19. I don't really care if 30 people abused their food stamps
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:32 AM
Feb 2015

because I know that thousands of people are getting help they really need.

I am so fed up of these people who condemn someone because they happen to be poor. I wish those that condemn could live a week, a measly week, on foodstamps, without health insurance, with no home, etc.

I had an argument once with someone who saw someone on foodstamps buying a soda for their kids - so freaking what? May be it was their birthday? But it shouldn't matter - why can't kids whose parents are on foodstamps have a little something special too?

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
23. That's because they think "welfare fraud" is rampant!
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 01:28 PM
Feb 2015

projecting on black people others what they think they are getting away with.

CountAllVotes

(20,878 posts)
31. +1,000
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:09 PM
Feb 2015

Three people come to mind in the very small world that I as a disabled American live in. All three of these people are indeed die-hard pukes. They hate the poor and want ever red cent they can lay their hands on. It sickens me badly and I've quite recently had to more or less dump a person I've known for almost 30 years because she pretty much hates the poor while she herself draws a nice pension and is now trying to get on SSDI. It angers me something fierce and because of this, I've pretty much cut the cord with her and her stupidity.

In hindsight = no big loss.

Oh well ....



 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
37. I live amongst rich republican farmers all complaining about people on welfare. One down the road
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 08:06 PM
Feb 2015

from me received over 1.5 MILLION dollars in crop subsidies over the past five years and is always complaining about people on food stamps.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
28. Oh, if we use Bankster logic
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 01:53 PM
Feb 2015

they just made a mistake in they way they were distributing revenue. That happens and it is risky.

So now, they should get both bailed out and a big bailout with a slap on the wrist, some "shame on you" and an increase in their benefits.

That would only be fair since their capitalistic ingenuity was admirable by banking standards. At least they weren't laundering huge amounts of drug money or showing people how to cheat on their taxes.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
38. You know every time they do one of these food stamp stings all they are doing is putting a nail in
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 08:28 PM
Feb 2015

the coffin of food stamps and it's by getting the public to believe there is mass fraud when there really is not. When it comes to fraud it's probably less than 1% but hey you bust 30 people who were buying booze instead of food and it's all the right wing needs to get the public against a good program.

Mimosa

(9,131 posts)
40. Dilby, you got it.
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 03:45 PM
Feb 2015
You know every time they do one of these food stamp stings all they are doing is putting a nail in the coffin of food stamps and it's by getting the public to believe there is mass fraud when there really is not. When it comes to fraud it's probably less than 1% but hey you bust 30 people who were buying booze instead of food and it's all the right wing needs to get the public against a good program.


Dilby, the people I know who use EBT happen to be elderly and/or diabled. I'm aware of fraud, but estimate it at 3%. Druugies and alcoholics do sell their bennies for cash.
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