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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:15 PM Feb 2015

Alabama Chief Justice: SCOTUS Can't Change God's Law On Marriage

The Alabama Supreme Court's chief justice, who has fought against a ruling that struck down the state's gay marriage ban, on Sunday insisted that federal courts cannot "redefine" marriage.

Chief Justice Roy Moore said on "Fox News Sunday," that if the Supreme Court rules in favor of same-sex marriage, he wouldn't be "bound" by the ruling.

"I could recuse or dissent as a justice from Delaware did in the Dred Scott case in 1857," he said.

Moore said that while the state will have to obey the Supreme Court's ruling, he doesn't believe that federal courts can create laws on marriage.

"Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace asked Moore if he was putting himself above the law.

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Alabama Chief Justice: SCOTUS Can't Change God's Law On Marriage (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2015 OP
only on faux news..... spanone Feb 2015 #1
We don't follow the various Biblical Laws on marriage CJCRANE Feb 2015 #2
We'd have to allow plural marriage treestar Feb 2015 #4
... napkinz Feb 2015 #11
Too bad Faux wouldn't have anyone to make the obvious retort treestar Feb 2015 #3
Tell you what, have god show up to SCOTUS to argue, then we'll talk NightWatcher Feb 2015 #5
Biblical Marriage Not Defined Simply As One Man, One Woman: Iowa Religious Scholars' Op-Ed Xipe Totec Feb 2015 #6
Men has as many wives as they could afford. The Old Testament way. kwassa Feb 2015 #17
It's no problem. We can redefine his being a Judge. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #7
Hey, "Judge" Moore: I looked for "assault rifle" in the Constitution. Paladin Feb 2015 #8
they just don't get it ... napkinz Feb 2015 #9
The laws on marriage are not Biblical. They are secular laws made by the government. The only jwirr Feb 2015 #10
Irrelevant, since this country's laws aren't based on any god's rules Panich52 Feb 2015 #12
This is really what the fight is all about randr Feb 2015 #13
Which form of biblical marriage is he talking about? MohRokTah Feb 2015 #14
Scandalous, oh, the Bible? I mean subject to interpretation. Here's another one: That was then libdem4life Feb 2015 #22
I didn't know God had a law against marriage equality. merrily Feb 2015 #15
He's right, but it can change US law. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2015 #16
But they can change U.S. Law. Downwinder Feb 2015 #18
A courthouse marriage is not a sacrament. QC Feb 2015 #19
The powers that be in Alabama .... etherealtruth Feb 2015 #20
As far as I know neither God or his proclaimed representatives tech3149 Feb 2015 #21
does he eat pork? shrimp? pansypoo53219 Feb 2015 #23
If marriage is religulous hifiguy Feb 2015 #24

treestar

(82,383 posts)
3. Too bad Faux wouldn't have anyone to make the obvious retort
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:20 PM
Feb 2015

We don't live by God's law. We live by the law of the United States Constitution.

God's law could never be agreed upon. And what about Allah's law or Yahweh's or the FSM's? And what would the atheists do.

Come to think of it, the justice must be losing his mind, since he passed the bar at some point, he must know of the First Amendment.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
5. Tell you what, have god show up to SCOTUS to argue, then we'll talk
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:22 PM
Feb 2015

Something tells me he's a no-show. Could that be because he's imaginary?

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
6. Biblical Marriage Not Defined Simply As One Man, One Woman: Iowa Religious Scholars' Op-Ed
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:22 PM
Feb 2015

"The debate about marriage equality often centers, however discretely, on an appeal to the Bible," the authors wrote. "Unfortunately, such appeals often reflect a lack of biblical literacy on the part of those who use that complex collection of texts as an authority to enact modern social policy."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/biblical-marriage-iowa-scholars-op-ed_n_3397304.html

Paladin

(28,272 posts)
8. Hey, "Judge" Moore: I looked for "assault rifle" in the Constitution.
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:24 PM
Feb 2015

And it isn't there, either......

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
10. The laws on marriage are not Biblical. They are secular laws made by the government. The only
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:26 PM
Feb 2015

thing the church has to do with marriage is a wedding ceremony if the couple wants one. A justice of the Peace can legally marry a couple with no input from the church at all. The government can legally change the laws when necessary.

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
12. Irrelevant, since this country's laws aren't based on any god's rules
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:29 PM
Feb 2015

Moore should just talk Alabama into ceceding so they can start their own little theocracy. Better yet, go buy an island so we don't have to deal at all w/ his sharia-type BS.

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randr

(12,414 posts)
13. This is really what the fight is all about
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:29 PM
Feb 2015

Deists who project their fears, hatred, and ignorance into a make believe deity, be it God/Jesus/Allah, will never accept the evolution of society. Nothing will ever convince them that their imaginative world is built on sand.
Climate deniers, gay bashers, misogynists, Islamaphobics, radical Islamists, and even the anti Vaccine crowd all have one thing in common.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
22. Scandalous, oh, the Bible? I mean subject to interpretation. Here's another one: That was then
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 03:27 PM
Feb 2015

Christ came and we broke free of the old Law. So, why is it still in The Bible?

Also, Christ in the New Testament has strong words about unfaithfulness, adultery, fornication (shacking up) and remarriage.

But then, Christians don't pay much attention to The Beatitudes any more, either. Just not convenient.

That's an amazingly powerful graphic.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
15. I didn't know God had a law against marriage equality.
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:38 PM
Feb 2015

There are a few small bits in the big book we call the Bible about same gender sex. The voice of God says he hates it or some such. However, none of those bits direct humans to pass laws against same gender sex or anything else. And I don't recall a single thing about same gender marriage, let alone God's law against it. However, I use the King James. Newer translations may be "updated" to support this bs retroactively, I guess.

Psalms or Proverbs says gossip (not homosexuality, but gossip) is among the sins God hates most and we recognize marriages involving gossips. Hell, we recognize marriages involved convicted murderers and, very much unlike homosexuality, murder is even in the Big Ten.

When is someone going to make these fakes admit they're lying about the Bible?

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
18. But they can change U.S. Law.
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:57 PM
Feb 2015

Is Chief Justice Roy Moore employed by the Government or by the church? I see no listing of his ordination or religious legal training in his Wikipedia bio. What are his qualifications to speak on God's Law?

QC

(26,371 posts)
19. A courthouse marriage is not a sacrament.
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 03:02 PM
Feb 2015

That's why an atheist and a Hindu can marry one another, two atheists, a Catholic and a Mormon, etc.

Besides, low church evangelicals like Moore do not believe in sacraments anyway. He's being silly.

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
21. As far as I know neither God or his proclaimed representatives
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 03:11 PM
Feb 2015

can issue a marriage license. That is a contractual obligation held by the governing authority wherever you may live.
Seriously, what do we have to do to to divorce (sorry, no pun intended) the idea of a legal relationship from some religious nutjobery definition?
I know I'm speaking to like minded individuals but I've had no luck presenting the concept to the anti marriage equality types.
I was married by a man of the cloth and had to go through the whole interview process to have him perform the ceremony but the paperwork wasn't issued by the church but that evil government.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
24. If marriage is religulous
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 05:57 PM
Feb 2015

how come secular judges appointed by the state can and do validly marry couples all the time? Hmmm?

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