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Wind chill in NYC is -17; Boston is -25... (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2015 OP
Yipes shenmue Feb 2015 #1
My little section of the PNW is going to be MissB Feb 2015 #2
That was Chicago yesterday marym625 Feb 2015 #3
I walked ten blocks in it frazzled Feb 2015 #6
We've had that marym625 Feb 2015 #9
Here on eastern Long Island the wind, last night, was unbelievable. Gusts around hurricane force. KittyWampus Feb 2015 #25
Pittsburgh - real temp, MINUS 6 degrees; wind chill, minus 16. Divernan Feb 2015 #4
The number of homeless students roughly doubled MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #11
brr keep warm there nt msongs Feb 2015 #5
Yikes! Terra Alta Feb 2015 #7
Yesterday in Wisconsin as well. Wind chill -27 Greybnk48 Feb 2015 #8
Hopefully those made homeless by Wall Street MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #10
I'm getting a strong breeze from the river through my drafty windows, lol. closeupready Feb 2015 #12
But how cold is it? longship Feb 2015 #13
I had to walk into the wind haikugal Feb 2015 #15
Me too. A Columbus OH homeless citizen died this wkd from hypothermia. RiverLover Feb 2015 #21
I agree with you completely. Bohunk68 Feb 2015 #24
Wind chill 15 to 20 below zero tonight... haikugal Feb 2015 #14
It's -8 degrees in the NE PA mountains. Lugnut Feb 2015 #16
Oh, heck. I was in Minneapolis many years ago SheilaT Feb 2015 #17
I agree - easier to survive extreme cold than extreme heat. Divernan Feb 2015 #23
"get over it"? WTF is wrong with you? We aren't used to this degree of coldness. There are homeless KittyWampus Feb 2015 #26
Oh I agree... haikugal Feb 2015 #28
-12 here 33 in Anchorage... Agony Feb 2015 #18
Bizarre new reality..... haikugal Feb 2015 #30
Yeah... Agony Feb 2015 #33
Temp here dropped below 0 haikugal Feb 2015 #35
A possible indication of "global weirding", perhaps? AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #32
about 80 in so cal JI7 Feb 2015 #19
Why I no longer live in the frozen wastelands of the north. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #20
OMG. That's cold. Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #22
I feel bad for everyone having Ilsa Feb 2015 #27
Oh! I think I would Die! Texasgal Feb 2015 #29
It was only abou ~35 here in most areas of the D/FW Metro today. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #31
It was about 80 in Sacramento today. Can we trade some warmth for some moisture? Throd Feb 2015 #34
If only we could. haikugal Feb 2015 #36

MissB

(15,812 posts)
2. My little section of the PNW is going to be
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 12:00 AM
Feb 2015

60-63 for the next 10 days. I've been out in my yard cleaning up my gardens all weekend. Wacky weather. I haven't spent this much time outside in my yard in February in... ever.

I actually planted snap peas last weekend.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
6. I walked ten blocks in it
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 12:16 AM
Feb 2015

It wasn't actually bad, except on blocks where the wind was coming directly at you. It's the damned wind; the cold is fine if you're dressed for it. The wind makes it almost unbearable (and they don't call it the Windy City for nothing).

But then, I lived in Minnesota for 15 years, where we used to get 60 below wind chills on occasion. It puts hair on your chest.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
9. We've had that
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 12:27 AM
Feb 2015

Even 80 below. But it has only happened a few times in my life.

I didn't walk that far this time, but I did a few weeks ago when it was that bad. It was horrible! And it was snowing. Like little needles in your face and eyes. Brrrr.

You're sturdier stuff than I am.

You know it's "the windy city" because of all the hot air blown by politicians? Though they both fit.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
25. Here on eastern Long Island the wind, last night, was unbelievable. Gusts around hurricane force.
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 09:48 AM
Feb 2015

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
4. Pittsburgh - real temp, MINUS 6 degrees; wind chill, minus 16.
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 12:02 AM
Feb 2015

Thinking of all the homeless people tonight, especially the children -

One out of every 45 children – some 1.6 million – in the United States is homeless, according to a report released Tuesday by the National Center on Family Homelessness. The majority of the children are under age 7.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2011/1213/Homeless-children-at-record-high-in-US.-Can-the-trend-be-reversed

So many of the working poor are one financial disaster away from losing their apartments and living out of their cars. This article is a few years old, but descibes such a situation.

"The longevity of homelessness continues to rise, so people are running out of resources," says Davalos. "The unemployment runs out. Their savings run out. The family that lent them money does not have it anymore because they're looking at economic hardship and before you know it they find themselves living in their car because they ran out of all options," Davalos tells Pelley.

Pelley talks with several homeless families who speak of the hardships, including getting robbed and the cramped quarters of the vehicles they live in. The Metzger family provides a good example. Arielle, 15, and Austin, 13, lost their mother when they were young. They have lived for five months in a truck their dad, Tom, an unemployed carpenter, purchased with his last money. Arielle calls the situation "an adventure;" she is not concerned that her classmates know her predicament. "Yeah it's not really that much an embarrassment. I mean, it's only life. You do what you need to do, right?"


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/homeless-families-living-in-cars/
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
11. The number of homeless students roughly doubled
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 12:34 AM
Feb 2015

since the economy was detonated by Wall Street. It's at a record now, and keeps increasing.

Greybnk48

(10,172 posts)
8. Yesterday in Wisconsin as well. Wind chill -27
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 12:24 AM
Feb 2015

with very strong wind gusts ( I think at least 30 mph). It is horrible. I feel really bad for Bostonians and others being hit by this. Take care everyone!

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
12. I'm getting a strong breeze from the river through my drafty windows, lol.
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 12:36 AM
Feb 2015

It's REALLY cold tonight. As cold as I can remember.

longship

(40,416 posts)
13. But how cold is it?
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 01:03 AM
Feb 2015

Wind chill is the "apparent" temperature on bare skin, due to factoring in the wind.

But like today here in rural west Michigan, where the high was 8F, I rarely go outside naked. I bundle up, so I have relatively little bare skin.

So wind chill is just a bunch of bullshit made up by the media to make things seem worse and more sensational than they are. It sells more lawyer ads on the televisionary set. That's it's only purpose.

Just give me the actual temperature and leave the wind chill bullshit to the sensationalist media. Or better yet, give me both the temperature and wind speed. To combine them into one number actually gives me less information.

By the way, when I arrived home this evening at 7:30PM it was 8F here, and calm. The forecast for the morning is -14F and again, calm. That's how cold it is here.

No phony wind chill inflations are necessary.

I apologize for being a pedant.

My regards.


haikugal

(6,476 posts)
15. I had to walk into the wind
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 01:22 AM
Feb 2015

to get to the barn to feed my horse and even bundled up my eyeballs felt that cold. I thought of all the poor who have no homes....my water is frozen in the kitchen but the bath is fine. I forgot to set the trickle in the kitchen and it froze. No problem beyond inconvenient but the poor are in my thoughts.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
21. Me too. A Columbus OH homeless citizen died this wkd from hypothermia.
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 08:04 AM
Feb 2015

There are many more homeless here, living in tents. I think of them often with these temps. Its -14 WC & 2 degrees here this morning, and that's warming up.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
24. I agree with you completely.
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 09:41 AM
Feb 2015

That wind chill business is nothing more than hype to get people to watch the channel. The wind is not constant, it varies, often, second to second. If I stand on my front porch where the Norway Spruce that we planted 30 years ago block most of the wind, it is far different than if I go out in the open field and measure it. So, as far as I'm concerned, I'll take the temp and register the wind. Forget all that BS about wind chill. Oh, and it was -15F overnight and has warmed up to -7F and yes, the winds are chugging down the valley.

Lugnut

(9,791 posts)
16. It's -8 degrees in the NE PA mountains.
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 01:54 AM
Feb 2015

The wind chill is somewhere around -28. I'm staying in the house all week

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
17. Oh, heck. I was in Minneapolis many years ago
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 07:27 AM
Feb 2015

and the wind chill was at least -40. Maybe lower. I can't recall after all these years, but in various northern parts of the country it gets COLD. Get over it.

I lived in northern New York State as a child, and it was routinely 20 degrees below zero. We lived with it. You bundle up and deal with it.

When you live where it's very hot in the summer (say Phoenix) the only way you can dress for the heat is to wear an air-conditioned car.

I've lived in places with extreme cold and extreme heat, and in my personal case I'll take the cold every time. Your mileage might vary.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
23. I agree - easier to survive extreme cold than extreme heat.
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 08:08 AM
Feb 2015

I've lived in the sweltering heat & humidity of the Washington/Baltimore area summers, not to mention the humid hell of Florida summers, as well as bone-chilling Chicago lake front, Wisconsin & Pennsylvania winters. When extreme weather circumstances include loss of electric power (heating/air conditioning), what are you gonna do? Re heat, you can only strip down so much - even stark naked in the privacy of your own home to avoid hyperthermia/heatstroke. But in the cold, you can always add layers of clothing/insulation to combat the cold - I'm a big fan of fleece & Patagonia brand long underwear.

However, I do find your "Just suck it up & deal with it" view lacks appropriate nuance and in particular is not realistic when it comes to those who lack heating/air conditioning, physical stamina, adequate food, clothing, shelter, etc.

For one thing, our bodies do adjust their abilities to deal with temperatures. After years in southern California and then 3 years in Florida, I found Pennsylvania winters to be extremely punishing the first several years. This year I had a college exchange student guest from Oman over the Christmas holidays, and even though she bundled up, the cold was extremely painful for her. We both had winter gloves on, for example, and she was getting tingling fingertips/frostbite within minutes of being out doors, whereas I had no problems at all.

A sub category of adjusting over time to extreme heat or cold is that "back then" once it got cold, it stayed cold for the season. Now our temps fluctuate with wild abandon. Here in SW Penn., it's sub-zero for a few days and then bob's-your-uncle we're up to 50 degrees for a couple of days, and then whoosh! minus 27 with the windchill.

Another factor is body mass index. Overweight people have more insulation, so to speak, from the cold, but suffer and sweat more in the heat.

I found this informative research article on the various negative impacts of extreme heat and extreme cold in areas such as health & mortality; transportation; agriculture; energy resources and water. http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/socasp/weather1/adams.html

Bottom line though, is that while young and/or healthy people with the financial resources can indeed suck it up and deal with extreme weather, this is not an option available to all, and the problem is greatly exacerbated by the extreme fluctuation in temps of global climate change.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
26. "get over it"? WTF is wrong with you? We aren't used to this degree of coldness. There are homeless
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 09:55 AM
Feb 2015

and people struggling to pay fuel bills. People who have to work outside. FFS, get over yourself.

You want an award for living places that are normally this cold? Did living in those places kill off your empathy?

Go back in and read the OP it simply states the temperature and says "bundle up". YOU have to diminish the challenge some of us are facing because at some point in your life you lived in even colder climates?

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
28. Oh I agree...
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 08:26 PM
Feb 2015

The extreme cold is easier on me than that overwhelming heat of Phoenix, absolutely, however I don't think making a note of the cold is whining or complaining. I know for a fact that I wouldn't survive long living in a tent in these conditions, even with the proper clothes. That's just a fact.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
33. Yeah...
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 09:44 PM
Feb 2015

We have apparently kicked the refrigerator door to the Arctic open. (on further analysis of the hi-low therm it was actually -16F)
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/stratospheric-phenomenon-is-bringing-frigid-cold-to-us-15479

and anyway "the fuse is blown" for the West Antarctic Ice Sheet
http://climatecrocks.com/2015/01/22/the-fuse-is-blown-glaciologists-jaw-dropping-account-of-a-shattering-moment/

So… have fun while it lasts?

Cheers,
Agony

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
35. Temp here dropped below 0
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 10:39 PM
Feb 2015

Last night and warmed to 15 today....it's now 11 degrees and snowing..or it was about an hour ago. It usually has to warm up to snow...

Thanks for the links. Yeah we've made sure everything is toast...sad. TPTB don't give a damn as long as enough survive to supply the slave labor.

I'm hearing country joe and the fish replaying in my head.

Woopie!

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
32. A possible indication of "global weirding", perhaps?
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 09:42 PM
Feb 2015

Maybe we can't tell from a single event, of course, but if this continues to be a long term phenomenon.....

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
20. Why I no longer live in the frozen wastelands of the north.
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 07:47 AM
Feb 2015

I don't do trudging across the tundra very well.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
27. I feel bad for everyone having
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 09:57 AM
Feb 2015

to live in this much horrible weather. It's one thing to get an occasional bad snow storm. But not being able to dig out before getting hit again is terrible. I wish the weather didn't have to be a life-or-death daily consideration for so many people.

Texasgal

(17,047 posts)
29. Oh! I think I would Die!
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 08:30 PM
Feb 2015

keep warm! You have my sympathy! BRRRR!

Cold here too although not as severe, we'll be in the freezing zone later tonight! Ofcourse, we Central Texans are not used to this type of weather!

Keep us posted! And most of all keep warm!!!!

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
31. It was only abou ~35 here in most areas of the D/FW Metro today.
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 09:41 PM
Feb 2015

Not what you folks have had to put up with, of course, but even we've been unusually cool for Feb., when our normal highs are approaching 60 degrees.

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