The folks who are adamantly anti-Hillary as the candidate in 2016 are also Obama cheerleaders/defenders?

Because I'm firmly in the former camp, but not even close to the latter camp. In fact I don't want Hillary precisely because I don't want more of the same. I don't want Hillary because I don't want us going further down this road of foreign policy hawkishness and velvet gloved handling of big banks and the financial sector.

for whom it is not necessarily first and foremost about Obama or Hillary.

But there's also a large segment of Hillary supporters who I don't think have ever gotten over Obama defeating her in the primaries in 2008. I think those folks believe that it's Obama supporters who don't want Hillary in 2016. And there may be some of those, but I think the most vocal anti-Hillary folks are probably the same ones who are dissapointed in and/or fed up with Obama for the very same reason they don't like Hillary.

However it's the same mindset of both camps that have to make it about the person. Thus, those of us who are dissapointed in Obama are "Obama haters" and those of use who don't want more of the same (or worse) with Hillary are "Hillary haters".

The reality is most of us just don't think more corporatism, more Wall Street favoritism, more bombing, more hawkishness more "bipartisanship" are the solutions to any of our problems.

Propaganda is sometimes true and sometimes false, but propaganda doesn't always care if it's true or not.

... I think that means if you voted for Obama, you supported the bank fraud GS engaged in?

So I guess I ended up supporting bank fraud, despite my good intentions.

Or, are we not the people who want money out of politics?

And, Obama certainly didn't get a pass among progressives for his corporate coddling appointments and you might notice how popular TPP is around here.

with much more ugly negative distortions about the record many of you create out of whole cloth, or regurgitate from RW websites. Obama's wallstreet ties have never been the subject of the constant attacks.

Obama certainly was in 2008.

Obama's wallstreet ties have never been the subject of the constant attacks.

You must have missed all the (well justified) attacks on Obama's Wall Street appointees and many of his economic policies.

intelligent, progressive, fighting democrat is stunning to me.

She signed off on Bush's wars which killed 10s of thousands of people because she's either monumentally stupid or regards advancing her political career more than thousands of lives. That's what dehumanizing is.

What color is the sky in your world? Is the weather nice?

who supported Obama and donated to his campaign?

That's what these numbers do not tell you. During 2008 I worked for an insurance giant, and I donated over $1200 to Obama. Does that make me a bad person?

And wishing it would go away, or wishing for a phantom candidate who isn't smart enough to realize the realities, and the personal and family cost, and can afford not to work a "real job" etc. doesn't work either. Not likely anytime soon, IMHO.

After Cory Booker won, just happened on to the donor sheet...and he had 10 times the corporate donors the other candidate had.

And Citizen's United was the final nail in the coffin of public-supported politics. Imagine what another Bush appointees in there could accomplish.

... and an end to banking regulation and immunity from prosecution for their crimes. And bailouts, big bailouts, with no strings attached regarding their bonuses.

What is the point of discussing Obama's donors two years before Obama leaves office forever?

differ. Are they related to gender? Or, just ignorance?

So, from the jump, I disagree that the standard is all that double. And some of Obama's biggest fans think a lot of the comments here are related to race. So, who knows?

However, apart from campaign donations, who would you say benefited more from Wall Street, banksters and big business before he or she ever ran for President, Obama or Hillary?

If indeed Hillary's big business ties are stressed more--and I don't agree that they are--the answer to that question may explain why, at least partially. Or, you could believe that female leftist DUers like me, sabrina, djean, Koko, woomewithscience and so many more are governed by ignorance and sexism. I think itself would be an ignorant, baseless assumption, but everyone is entitled to his or her opinion.

is apparently reserved for her. Disagreement on certain of Obama's policies is one thing... the dehumanization of Clinton and disrespect shown to her on this board is a totally different realm.

Banksters in Jail = Zero

Homeowners tossed out of Homes = Millions

Tim Geithner sacrificed homeowners to ''foam the runway'' for the banks.

Is great phrase:

Neil Barofsky, the former special inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, has published a new book, “Bailout: An Inside Account of How Washington Abandoned Main Street While Rescuing Wall Street.” It presents a damning indictment of the Obama administration’s execution of the TARP program generally, and of HAMP in particular.
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By delaying millions of foreclosures, HAMP gave bailed-out banks more time to absorb housing-related losses while other parts of Obama’s bailout plan repaired holes in the banks’ balance sheets. According to Barofsky, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner even had a term for it. HAMP borrowers would “foam the runway” for the distressed banks looking for a safe landing. It is nice to know what Geithner really thinks of those Americans who were busy losing their homes in hard times.

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http://washingtonexaminer.com/video-geithner-sacrificed-homeowners-to-foam-the-runway-for-the-banks/article/2502982

Barack Obama (D)
1 University of California $1,212,245
2 Microsoft Corp $814,645
3 Google Inc $801,770
4 US Government $728,647
5 Harvard University $668,368

Mitt Romney (R)
1 Goldman Sachs $1,033,204
2 Bank of America $1,013,402
3 Morgan Stanley $911,305
4 JPMorgan Chase & Co $834,096
5 Wells Fargo $677,076


Sorry, but it was actually Mittens that got money from GS in 2012.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/

As a matter of fact, Obama is no where near as corporate a HRC. Gee...what a list for Mittens...all the assholes that crashed the economy in 2008.

Obama...nope nothing there.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-03-20/jpmorgan-employees-join-goldman-sachs-among-top-obama-donors

March 21 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama’s largest campaign donors last month included employees of Wells Fargo & Co., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc., according to an analysis of Federal Election Commission records.

Their support indicates that Wall Street, which gave Obama $16 million for his successful 2008 White House run, is opening its checkbook again for the president. The contributions helped Obama raise $21 million in February, including $6.5 million transferred from a joint fundraising committee with the Democratic National Committee. (snip)

Obama has raised $161 million for his re-election and entered March with $84.7 million in the bank. Four years ago, engaged in a primary battle with Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, he had raised $197 million by the end of February and had close to $40 million in cash.

The incumbent has raised twice as much as Republican front-runner Mitt Romney, who has brought in $75.6 million, including $12 million last month. Obama’s campaign bank account entering March was more than 11 times greater than Romney’s.