That's how good I would feel about it. But I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee. If that makes me naive in some eyes or not a good liberal or not a true progressive, so be it.

Clinton's team will be a good one.
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DO NOT FORGET who these people would bring into power with them.

Consider the hideous prospect of another bush "presidency", for example. I'd bet that jeb bush picks from his fellow PNAC pals for foreign policy advisors - who, if Heaven Forbid he should win, he WOULD INDEED be bringing into the State Department, Defense Department, and National Security Advisor's office. Watch and see if randy scheunemann gets tapped to help him out during the campaign. There's a name to watch FOR SURE. That's the guy who was tasked with coaching sarah palin for her then-upcoming debate with Joe Biden. He was tasked with helping her master foreign policy issues. And he went away from that experience shaking his head in disbelief and despair at how pig-headed and dithery she was. She already knew everything she needed to know. And he went away shaking his head.

Guaranteed, he'll one PNAC warmonger who'll be back in the saddle as soon as there's even the most remote opportunity to do so. He's lying in wait - just like all the other assholes in the PNAC are. They're DYING to get back into power and start more wars. They think we need a ballsy America out there stomping all over the globe and forcing our ways and our superiority and our "American Exceptionalism" upon everyone else whether they want it or not.

Just watch. Watch for the name randy scheunemann - watch how he moves around, and whether he joins the jeb bush campaign. That will tell you everything you need to know.

Apparently even McCain's team didn't like him! Any team that would have him as a member is a team that doesn't deserve our vote.

I don't think we can say the same for Clinton.
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It will be the tell. THE tip-off of what jebbie intends to do in the foreign policy arena. If we start seeing more of those PNAC names brought aboard. ken adelman's another one. The suspicious me looks at him, too. He kept kind of a low profile during the bush/cheney mess. He wasn't an insider. So I'd suspect jebbie would tap somebody like him whom he schemes would not have been high-profile during the FIASCO Years. "Hey! Nobody'll suspect adelman! Let's get him in there! He's valuable! And definitely one of us!"

Let's all remember, though. adelman is "Mr. Cakewalk." HE'S the one who stated, when asked about the coming aggressions during the run-up to the Iraq War, what it would be like, and what the taxpayers could expect. HE is the one who said "it'll be a cakewalk." That was HIM. So let's keep an eye out for "Cakewalk," too. That's what I think I'll start calling him. I don't want ANYONE to forget that! HE'S "Mr. Cakewalk." YET ANOTHER chickenhawk who thought the Iraq War would be little more than an episode of "Dancing Down Easy Street." Only gonna take "six weeks, I doubt six months" (that was rummy's self-satisfied, cock-sure prediction) along the rummy lines. But ken adelman was Mr. Cakewalk. He was just SUUUUUURE it was gonna be a cinch. No muss, no fuss. My Ass.

Write in your preference for president if a palatable candidate is not offered, and then vote D down-ballot.

writing in someone who is not on the ballot..has not team to look at.. has not been tested in the debates.. has not a chance in hell of winning.. I might as well sit out the vote.. same thing..

Edit to add... I want Martin O'Malley or Joe Biden to run.. Hillary Clinton is not my first pick by a long shot.. but no way will I sit out the election.. in any way shape form or fashion.

HRC is the nominee. There's no reason to stay home just because the top of the ticket is a completely unacceptable hawk/corporatist. There are plenty of offices to vote for.

yeah right..

the Republicans were 35 years ago. There SHOULD be a difference between the parties, but the only difference I see in the economic policies of HRC and Jebbie is that HRC would boil the frogs a bit more slowly. A warmongering corporatist is a warmongering corporatist, whatever party label they attach to themselves.

Sid

I am still holding out for Martin O'Malley. or Joe Biden.. E. Warrens people are on the ground here in Iowa and working hard.. they have contacted me once already..


All that being said.. If Hillary gets the nod.. she has my vote.. Period.. she has my full support in the campagin against the republicans..

I will be working to see other people in the mix at the caucuses.. but there is no way in this world or the next that I would not vote for her if she is the canidate..

They are people desperately trying to get Elizabeth Warren to change her mind.

Which she won't.

Any write-in vote, or a just-leave-it-blank "vote" is little more than a vote for the Other Side. Because it won't add to OUR candidate's totals. It'll add to the Other Side's totals. ANY Supreme Court nominee the Other Side would choose, I guarantee you, will be a LOT less palatable over the long run than anyone Candidate or President-Elect Hillary might be considering.

Reminds me of a key scene in one of those movies I've liked for a long time. "The Competition." 1980 I think, with Amy Irving, Richard Dreyfuss, and the late Lee Remick. Irving and Dreyfuss play young piano prodigies in an international competition. Remick is Irving's beautiful and elegant teacher/mentor. Of course, Irving and Dreyfuss, even while fierce competitors, somehow fall in love. And the relationship goes up and down as expected. SPOILER ALERT - rookie Irving wins, frustrating Dreyfuss's much-yearned-for attempt to clinch it after failing in the previous year. He finishes second. Victory party time and she's off in a side room, moping about what this has probably done to her relationship. Remick enters, and counsels her - "it's going to take another 100 years for Mother Nature to evolve the kind of man you have in mind. Until that happens, GET OUT THERE AND DANCE WITH WHAT THERE IS!"

who are the PUMAs this time.

Well, some of them are.

Sid

Cool story, little fella.

Fact: shit won't change significantly until we change it, and we can't change it through the political process.

Might as well have some positives with a Dem than another 8 years of total Bush hell.

And I will vote for the candidate I think will do the best job, regardless of party, looks, money, power, influence, race, gender, peer pressure, etc, etc, etc.

Hillary Clinton ONLY IF she were the last person standing. I've been saying that all along. But I sincerely don't want her to walk into the Presidency with NO challenges at all.

I don't want her saying stuff like, she was under sniper fire in Bosnia. (A girl presented her with flowers at the foot of the ramp.) Without it being challenged

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/hillarys_list_of_lies.html