Start. They will see Jesus did not convert a single follower by knocking on their door, preaching hate in a public square or stomping on their necks. They would see all of his followers came to him because of his good acts, kindness, acceptance and love. If Christians today lived their lives like their Jesus they would be a better group to be around.

Not saying all Christians but she got the idea from somewhere that she needed to convert non believers. If your religion teaches you that you need to proselytize it should also teach you how to do it. Christians should really just follow and do what Jesus did.

and no, she didn't need to "get the idea" from anywhere but her own psychosis.

On the whole, modern Christianity is less foot-on-the-throat and more society-wide-constant-messaging, at least in the US.

The precise form of coercion has evolved, but the US is very much a "Christians, etc." nation.

on steroids,taking it door to door.

So is Jesus. Obviously they know nothing about the man and do not follow his teachings at all.

They get all the religious training they need from fox "news" and so does their preacher at the local mega church no doubt.

and their unread bibles are their talisman against all things they don't like.

And he did kill that tree for no good reason. And he did genocide the world except for Noah's family. And he did kill children for insulting a man. And he did kill a man for pulling out and not making babies... Etc. The Bible is shit and can be interpreted any which way. It's an immoral belief system.

Says who?

IMHO, worshipping a tyrannical, genocidal, homophobic, misogynistic God that punishes unbelievers for eternity just ain't moral to me.

Who are you?

and that's all that I am. In this instance, I'm giving my opinion on a discussion board, which really seems to have you flummoxed.

By the arrogance, only, I suspect.

"Who are you?" Especially so metaphysically. It sounds defensive, and deflects from the issue. Hence "flummoxed."

--imm

I may now be flummoxed myself, so, whatever.

is arrogant now? I think snarkily deflecting from discussion is rude myself.

but you seem to be confused regarding the old and new testaments -- Jesus was not even born when Noah was floating his boat.

Not sure if that's a plot twist or not.

I'd hate to screw up your plot twist.

The Bible is a hateful, contradictory thing. And people believe it's real.

but your "opinion" on the Bible is, and it's clearly not shared by everyone.

* In reference to your earlier post -- Opinions are generally prefaced with words

like "I think" or "I believe". Without those qualifiers, they sound as if you

are stating "facts", rather than opinion and THAT is what can make your

comments sound arrogant, although I think you may already know that.

Buh bye.

by my opinion. I believe the idea that you were confused as to whether it was an opinion is a lie.

I think your responses to my opinion were short and snarky. I believe you don't want any sort of discussion, but want to get the anger off your chest.

I think the idea that not everyone shares my opinion on the Bible is already well known. I believe you'd rather discuss me than my or anyone else's opinion on the Bible.

What. The. Fuck.

what Allah and The Prophet are doing.

What. The. Fuck. Indeed.

Your atheist's opinion has been duly noted.

for persuading people to convert. Not.

These two knew each other somehow.

I mean, what the Hell, I figured I'd ask since the fact that she was Jewish was only mentioned so far in the OP.

any antisemitism on the part of the assailant is very likely a small fragment of her overall hate.

I doubt you need to take it further.

That is exactly the answer I was looking for. I thank you for the reliable response.

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I thought it suited your reliable question.

It just never seems to be "hatred of Jews." Funny that, huh?

So that is 'the real reason'.

from the start.

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if someone acts aggressively towards Jews, they're not anti-Semitic, they're insane. Of course, you know the definition of legally insane, right? I know…it's whatever you want it to be.

Some people and groups of people clearly ARE anti-Semitic and some may lean

In that direction, but some are more nuts than anything "ideological". Like anything else,

there can be some overlap, but a single nut who stomps on someone's neck to "convert"

them seems more in need of a psychiatric/law enforcement response than one from

the JDL or the Inerfaith Leadership Council, if you get my drift.

Cultural hatred and write it off as insanity. If the victim in this case were African-American and was stomped there'd be no question that the perpetrator were racist. After all, whites have been stomping blacks for 500 years here and we would be properly outraged. But not for Jews. Then there's always an anomaly associated and mitigating circumstances. Right? Obviously.

we saw them in 1930's Germany...Never Again.

The fact that the loon's been locked up on felony charges is clearly insufficient,

so maybe you could call for an APB announcing that Goebbels and the gang

have reincarnated into the Neck Stomper For Jesus and see how it goes.

Seriously.

like I care what you "think"...

"Infantile", my ass. If you had even half the cleverness needed

to utilize satire, you would. Unfortunately, you lack talent in that area,

and so are stuck with "nyah nyah" stuff such as "Like I care what you think"!

which sounds like a petulant ten year old having a bad day.

I'm hurt!

Mmm…ad hominem attack from the flanking position…our shields are down to 30% Captain…perhaps I'll try the Corbomite Maneuver next.

…emoticon-of-choice!

Keep trying.

Is that one of the rules?

Qualifies as "nuts".

However, if they ALSO hate or target Jews, as part of that or not, then yes it also qualifies as "anti-semitic"

As well as nuts.

Does everything bad that happens to a Jewish person count as anti-Semitism? Just come out and say it. Would you care if this lunatic had done the same to someone she felt was an atheist or of the wrong Christian denomination?

like a Jewish person getting robbed at gunpoint or something. I find your question insulting. This woman wasn't picked at random for conversion, she was picked because she was Jewish. And holy shit, if you don't see the antisemitism there, it's you that has the problem.

bias against the victim. Although there are thousands of crime against random people, some are found to be bias crimes. In 2013 FBI lists 1,223 victims of anti-religious hate crimes:

60.3 percent were victims of crimes motivated by their offenders’ anti-Jewish bias.
13.7 percent were victims of anti-Islamic (Muslim) bias.
6.1 percent were victims of anti-Catholic bias.
4.3 percent were victims of bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple religions, group).
3.8 percent were victims of anti-Protestant bias.
0.6 percent were victims of anti-Atheist/Agnostic bias.
11.2 percent were victims

There are also crimes motivated by racial or sexual orientation bias. More than for religion. While there are plenty of random crimes against LGBT people or African Americans, thousands of crimes committed against those groups every year are found to be bias motivated hate crimes.
The one in the OP will be counted as such for this year, trust me.

you're supposed to be comparing this woman to the thousands of murdering, raping, enslaving jihadi scum. Get with the program already. They're obviously exactly the same.

Gotcha.

What happened to this woman was terrible and shouldn't have happened. What happened to those Coptic Christians was terrible and shouldn't have happened. I don't think we have to choose which one to condemn, when both are pretty awful.

Bryant

Tell it to the countless DUers that immediately flood any thread about any negative news about anything having to do with Islam or Muslims with a song and dance about how Christians are just as bad (having to go back hundreds of years to make that point). Perhaps if they get annoyed enough at having it thrown back at them, they'll stop the bullshit.

They should get a pass? I'm a Christian myself, and I don't think that's entirely reasonable. First because Christians have done some pretty awful things, and secondly because even if you grant the premise that they aren't as bad these days, that doesn't mean that they should be let off the hook.

The fact that some people murder doesn't mean we should excuse thievery.

Bryant

Who are we to blame TODAY for the crusades, the inquisition, the witch trials? And thanks for totally misunderstanding my very easy to understand post which was to point out how ridiculous it is to give ISLAM a complete and total pass because hundreds of years ago Christians were burning people at the stake. THAT'S what happens on DU every single day.

anymore than we should give Christianity a pass - that said I of course think it's wrong to blame every Muslim for the actions of a few Muslims.

Bryant

every single post about anything happening to or by Muslims getting hijacked within the first 10 comments so somebody can whine about how Christians are just as bad. And there isn't anybody on DU that says ALL Muslims should be tagged as jihadis so that strawman has been burned to the ground already.

You feel it's wrong to hijack a thread commenting on something bad that Muslims do by pointing out that Christians do the same thing; so naturally when there is a post about Christians doing something bad you feel it's important to remember that Muslims are worse?

That's not really consistent is it?

Bryant

After TEN FUCKING YEARS of watching each and every post about Muslims turn into a Christian bashing contest, yes, I turned it around on those who want to protect Islam at all costs. I asked dozens of times for them to stop the madness. I make no apologies for it and will continue to do it so the culprits know how it feels when real issues are clouded up with pathetic bullshit. Goose/Gander

"ISIS isn't about Islam and Christians do it to" song and dance.

It's SO lame and transparent.

For telling it straight.

I'm so sick of the absurd lengths many here go to for the purpose of achieving some sort

of reality-free, bullshit "equivalence". It's embarrassing in the extreme and doesn't work.

that was not hundreds of years ago

Other than making my point for me (that Islam must be protected at all costs by diverting every single thread into something about Christians), I'm not understanding your post.

atrocities linked to christianity or christians themselves within the last hundreds of years

abortion clinic bombings and killings

scriptures written on our military warheads

the current catholic supreme court and the hobby lobby case

christianity still has a role to play and you don't have to go back hundreds of years to find examples

like what you posted I said. Other than that, great post.

engage in the same practice many DUers do when backed into a corner - you tried to shove words into my mouth that were never said.

and i can clearly read what you wrote

I said there were ZERO atrocities committed by Christians in the last few hundred years. What I SPECIFICALLY mock is those that try and protect Islam at all costs by bringing up the crusades and the inquisition as if they matter today. If you want to think that the killing of less than 5 abortion doctors in the last 3 decades is the same as those 25 Christians that got beheaded or those 4 dozen people who just got burned to death (both of these happened in the last WEEK), knock yourself out. I'll mock it every single time.

that asked to people at a bus stop is they were Muslim. When they answered in the negative he attacked them with a knife.

It drew 1 response.

Like when it was posted (I readily admit, I didn't see it). Where did this happen?

"he wasn't happy with that answer". When I'm not happy about a comment, I shake my head and walk away. I don't stab someone.

Why can't these people keep that shit to themselves?

I'm glad you believe in fairy tales, now leave me alone.

Someone should tell her Jesus was Jewish. Part of her sentence should be the study of Jewish history.

That sounds like something that would happen where I live.

People can SAY they are doing some vile thing motivated by religion. They can ACT as if they were doing it motivated by religion. The facts or statements of all concerned can present no alternate motivation, but to DU apologists, it's never about religion...

that only works for Muslims. Only Islam gets a pass around here. If this had happened to a Muslim, it would immediately be labeled a hate crime and the screams for a federal investigation would be deafening.

It can include religion or not. Not a simple black and white question.

With Islam now, it is partly political. I doubt the terrorists care whether we are Muslims or not so much as they care we are in the middle east. They may invoke Allah, but they'd invoke their God regardless.

With Northern Ireland it had very little to do with the religions - they were a parallel with the political differences.

.......when a herd of assholes all clad in black marching 21 Coptic Christians out to a beach in Libya and beheading them in the name of Islam (and filming it) is just an isolated incident and has nothing to do with the Islamic religion. And let's not forget the other well-publicized beheadings and burnings and other atrocities of recent notoriety.

But let one lunatic Christian go off the deep end and it's fair game to indict Christianity in general.

Sometimes DU really doesn't feel like a safe place for a Christian. Just sayin'.

My experience of DU is no religious mythology gets a pass.

As to your "experience", all I can say is that it must be quite limited.

(of course, religions do tend to foster lunacy)

and I commend you for your insight -- Unless, of course, you meant Whathehey.

name and that's all I needed to comment on this thread!

I wonder who wants to give her a pass because she was just practicing her religion?

and the neck stomper wasn't "practicing her religion", she was committing

the crime of assault, something which hasn't been endorsed by any sect of

Christianity of which I'm aware, for at least three centuries or so.

Emoticon in the body, but I thought the comment about who would give her a pass would suffice.

I'm astonished that anyone would believe that her actions were okay. I hope the MSM covers this to get "Christians" to see that their violence doesn't work to convert people of other faiths.

and.what insane idea would make you think the average Christian, Jew, or Muslim in the US "needs to see

their violence" doesn't work for conversion?...There's no "their" there - it's not a "trend", Ilsa, it's a nutcase in Idaho.

And if you think this is the only instance of Christian-on-non-Christian violence or even coercion, you are lost. My husband has been the victim of persecution in the workplace when Baptists would leave their stupid proselytizing materials on his desk. Then the Catholic terrorist in the next cube would tell him that if he converted to Baptist, he was going to hell.

I've been in work places where the fastest way to get ahead was to join the Boss' church.

There is physical violence and harassment and coercion by Christians out there whether you see it or experience it or not. A lot of it happens in places like Texas and the Bible Belt because they can get away with it.

This nutcase in Idaho took it a step further and got physical.

some people are thinking...I can't imagine who, she's been locked up

on felony charges.

As for trend, I used that word because you wrote about it as if it was.

I don't know, Ilsa, I live in a Blue State where the Right Wing crazies

keep their distance. That being said, I think you're misusing

the word "terrorist". Bible thumping zealots can be a real pain in the

ass, but calling them "terrorists" is a tad over the top, and, imo, cheapens

the meaning of real terrorism. You may think the neck jumper is a "terrorist",

I just think she's a nut case who has broken the law and is paying for it.

their hatred for anyone different. Most of the hatred here towards anyone different get rationalized by select Christian Bible verses.

In 2012, a lesbian couple was attacked and one young woman killed, possibly because they were out together as a couple. We are still waiting for the trial to begin after over two years. I've seen this kind of violence (race-based, culture-based, sexual orientation-based) for a big part of my life. Yeah, "terrorists".

Daily Kos reported today on an incident near Dallas, a suburb called Flower Mound, where white students at a basketball game against a school that is primarily African American carried "White Power" signs. The visiting teams' bus was defecated and urinated on.

It's like they don't even try to hide it any more. They are proud of their bigotry and hatred.

and yes, I read about that hideous "white power" shit.

Is there any way you can get out of there?...Seems like

it's hopeless.

But familial obligations still exist here to some degree, although Hubby's work may permit us to move soon.

Texas not only refuses to participate in the Medicaid expansion, but other programs as well. For example, in other states, there is a "Deeming Waiver" available to parents of disabled children to help pay the gap between insurance and charges for therapies. Texas won't participate. So parents of disabled children have to pay thousands out of pocket for therapies just to get kids to manageable levels of activities. It also affects the therapists who have to spend more time trying to collect.

Texas is one of the more difficult places to get SSDI approved.

Texas is a HARD place to live in.

I have ONLY lived in blue states my entire life -- born in Philly, where it used to be reliably blue, at least, lived in California and now in the Chicago 'burbs, so when I
hear about the kind of stuff you mentioned, it just blows my mind...I would NOT
have some idiot of ANY or NO faith bugging me about my personal beliefs..If I had to, I think I'd just tell them to fuck off, because my beliefs are none of their damn business,
but maybe it's not as easy to do where you are.


I grew up in the fifties and sixties in Philadelphia among Catholics, Jews and Protestants, and it nobody "preached" to anyone...My sister and I had friends
among all the "big three" and nobody cared, nobody preached. It was actually
considered impolite and unnecessary, so these red neck fundies are almost like aliens
from Mars to me.

Thank the goddess, I've never had to live in a place like Texas..I've heard Austin is better, but I'll let you tell me, as I've never been there. Unlike me, it seems, you've lived a good part of your life in Texas or some other conservative state(s), so I can only imagine your frustration.

I totally get the employment thing, but for you and your family's sake, I hope you are able to leave and move somewhere sane.

Which book of the Bible is the one where Jesus suplexes all the money-changers out of the temple? Cause that one's my favorite.

This needs to be dealt with as an attempted murder, because that's what it looks like it would have been had AG not given the proper lip service.

I would not give this lunatic bail. She is a danger to everyone around her because you know no Christian is pure enough to suit her, either.

ETA: Part of my own family was given the choice between the cross and the stake. They chose the cross and kept Kosher. The funniest thing was watching my Irish Catholic mother Koshering her meats before she cooked them. I never did tell her that's what she was doing.