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Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:52 AM Feb 2015

"After body cams- 'attacks' on police down 30%" UK news- not the USA

Man jailed for attack on police woman caught on camera

A man has been jailed for an attack on a female police officer that was captured on her body-worn camera.

Craig Radbourne, 25, was jailed for three years for assaulting Sgt Kerry Lawrence as she responded to reports of a burglary in Basingstoke, Hampshire, in July.



body cam videos of attack on officer and 30% statement.- http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31558269
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Igel

(35,317 posts)
1. The few studies I've seen dealing with body cams are in rough agreement.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:15 AM
Feb 2015

Body cameras on police are great. They reduce violence against civilians. And against police.

But only when their presence is announced. Stealth body cams have very little effect.

And over 50% of the effect observed in those studies is attributed to reduced aggression against police--whether physical or verbal.

Which is, of course, what you'd expect if it's the announcement that the cops are wearing body cams that matters. Most police are vaguely aware that they're wearing them, so just wearing them would alter police behavior. Yet unannounced body cams in the 2-3 studies so far that have any peer review and possible statistical significance don't have much effect.

Any additional effect on police behavior comes from being reminded that they're wearing cameras ("vaguely aware" is different from "fully conscious of&quot or the effect on other police that the announcement would have. Not all police in the study were wearing them.

The rest of the effect is entirely "civilian-side," the effect on the person suspected of doing something, the effect on observers who can also ratchet up tensions.

These studies must be obviously, inherently flawed because they don't support the popular narrative, which is by definition the one true narrative.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
2. can not miss the body cams on UK police. I think all our public servants & gov. employees need them.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:38 AM
Feb 2015

We citizens have a right to observe our Gov. and local gov/police employees at work.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
3. Cameras are not a real or sufficient solution.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:41 AM
Feb 2015


Cameras only add another pseudo-protective layer to this fascist police state.

The only real answer is an actual reversal of the militarization of the police, reversal of the looting of our nation, and reversal of the transformation of our cities into exploitation zones like Ferguson.

What we need is not cameras to oversee the police state. We need to demand that the police state *itself,* the militarization *itself* be dismantled, along with the corporate takeover of this nation.

What a shock that in all the corporate news coverage of Ferguson, the programs that actually militarize the police, the programs that have exploded even under this Democratic administration, are never mentioned at all.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025897324

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
4. we need 24/7 cameras on our federal employees, and all agencies like the DOI.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:51 AM
Feb 2015

What "militarize the police" is the billions across America the police seize in cash from citizens. They can and have bought anything they wish including training by military experts.

Our Federal Gov. even gives 'local govs' free pick of military surplus and local police take full advantage of all the free stuff.

Cut off the cash and asset forfeiture seizures by 'local-govs' and police will not be able to afford all the stuff.

Local police do not need 'riot-training' how to slam people to the ground or slam American citizens against walls.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
6. The militarization is federally driven, bipartisan, and as much a part of the growing police state
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:03 PM
Feb 2015

as the mass surveillance, prison industrial complex, and assaults on journalism, other political protesters, and whistleblowers.

Corporate Republicans and the corporate Third Way are not just another flavor of politician within an essentially functioning representative government. They are ushering in fascism and dismantling democracy itself.


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The entire Democratic leadership opposed Grayson amendment to stop arming cops with DOD weapons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025390424


Police Militarization (including the Obama administration's role in ESCALATING it)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/aclu-police-militarization-swat_n_2813334.html

It's almost certain that if the police agencies cooperate, the ACLU will find that the militarization trend has accelerated since Kraska's studies more than a decade ago. All of the policies, incentives and funding mechanisms that were driving the trend then are still in effect now. And most of them have grown in size and scope.

The George W. Bush administration actually began scaling down the Byrne and COPS programs in the early 2000s, part of a general strategy of leaving law enforcement to states and localities. But the Obama administration has since resurrected both programs. The Byrne program got a $2 billion surge in funding as part of the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, by far the largest budget in the program's 25-year history. Obama also gave the COPS program $1.55 billion that same year, a 250 percent increase over its 2008 budget, and again the largest budget in the program's history. Vice President Joe Biden had championed both programs during his time in the Senate.

The Pentagon's 1033 program has also exploded under Obama. In the program's monthly newsletter (Motto: "From Warfighter to Crimefighter&quot , its director announced in October 2011 that his office had given away a record $500 million in military gear in fiscal year 2011, which he noted, "passes the previous mark by several hundred million dollars." He added, "I believe we can exceed that in FY 12.”

Then there are the Department of Homeland Security's anti-terrorism grants. The Center for Investigative Reporting found in a 2011 investigation that since 2001, DHS has given out more than $34 billion in grants to police departments across the country, many of which have been used to purchase military-grade guns, tanks, armor, and armored personnel carriers. The grants have gone to such unlikely terrorism targets as Fargo, N.D.; Canyon County, Idaho; and Tuscaloosa, Ala.





"Operation Urban Shield"...Training our Police, Fire, First Responders..in Military Tactics
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025412909



WOW... Went Looking For Connections Between Ferguson And ALEC... Found This Piece Of The Puzzle...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025413841

The exploitation of Ferguson I: In 2013 the town issued over 24,000 arrest warrants..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025404667

The exploitation of Ferguson II: The Seamy Underbelly Of Ferguson Starts To Appear
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025416747

The exploitation of Ferguson III: Ferguson Feeds Off the Poor: Three Warrants a Year Per Household
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025428157

Poor minorities are worthless to corporations on the street. In prison they can bring in $40,000/yr
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023368969

Poor Land in Jail as Companies Add Huge Fees for Probation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014158005

The Caging of America - Why do we lock up so many people
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002226110

The Obama administration is aggressively growing private prisons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022568681

Obama's 2013 budget: One area of marked growth, the prison industrial complex
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/1002392306

Obama selects the owner of a private prison consulting firm as the new Director of the United States Marshals Service (USMS)
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/12/mars-d03.html

Private prison corporations move up on list on federal contractors, receiving BILLIONS
http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655

Federal Private Prison Populations Grew by 784% in 10 Year Span
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4362184

Prison Labor Booms As Unemployment Remains High; Companies Reap Benefits
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/prison-labor_n_2272036.html

Private Prison Corporation's Letters to Shareholders Reveal Industry's Tactics: Profiting from Human Incarceration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022665091

Financial growth of private prison industry...Profiting from caging humans.

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/BshteP8i282pcaeH8pdUsA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTUyMA--/

We heard about private prisons...but do you know of the private probation industry?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025380204

NYT: Probation Fees Rise, Firms Profit and the Poor Go to Jail
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002893040

No Safe Place: How Cities Are Making It Illegal to be Homeless
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101699724

Thrown in jail for being poor: the booming for-profit probation industry
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024603515 Police Militarization (including the Obama administration's role)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/aclu-police-militarization-swat_n_2813334.html

The final ACLU report on militarization of police in America
https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/war-comes-home-excessive-militarization-american-police-report

"Operation Urban Shield"...Training our Police, Fire, First Responders..in Military Tactics
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025412909







Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
7. The USA has been down this path for 20 years. It is a 'for profit' war against USA lower class.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:15 PM
Feb 2015

Peonage (by many other names) is very profitable for only the Masters and their management.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
8. It is a for-profit war against ALL of us and against democracy itself.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:24 PM
Feb 2015

Yes, the lower classes are being corralled into predatory, exploitative communities where the profit comes from their caging. Militarized police also suppress dissent against the growing corporate state.

And it says volumes about the depth and breadth of corruption in our political system right now that a Democratic president is not only failing to try to stop it, but is massively and deliberately escalating the programs that create the problem.

It is notable that we get lots of PR about ADDING cameras to the police state, but there is silence from all corporate politicians about ending the outrage of the militarization itself.



Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
9. not just 'new lower class', most Americans are caged by excessive local over-regulation.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:36 PM
Feb 2015

States control their local police and their local 'govs.'

Doubt any Federal gov. President can change for example- local homeowners association rules to seize a home for non payment of fines or a local towns police cash seizure.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
10. Why has the president *ESCALATED* these federal programs that militarize police?
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:46 PM
Feb 2015

Police forces would not have US military equipment if the federal government did not choose to provide it to them. Why is our purportedly Democratic president ESCALATING the militarization programs?

We all know why. For the very same reason Obama is aggressively expanding private prisons in this country. And abusing the Espionage Act to target whistleblowers and journalists. And overseeing federal targeting of groups like Occupy. It is all part of the same agenda.

And we all recognize the immediate attempt by the Third Way defense crew to shift the topic....now to local homeowners' associations (!) ...in order to protect the administration whenever this pattern of outrages is raised here.

It is beyond pathetic at this point, this message control dance of the Third Way to protect corporate Democrats and this corporate administration. To me, the highlight of the hypocrisy came when Ferguson was protesting, and I suggested that protesters demand an end to the federal militarization programs. I was immediately met with one of the most over-the-top, sustained, hyperbolic, and vitriolic defensive swarms that I have *EVER* seen from the corporate posters here. I was even accused of not caring about RACISM because of suggesting that the protesters might actually have policy demands that might involve the Obama administration. It would have been hilarious if the political motive behind it weren't so disgusting. And the cherry on top was that, AFTER all these accusations were leveled against me, the Ferguson protesters *themselves* came out the very next day, demanding the very same thing.

The corporate corruption of this nation will never end as long as we fail to hold politicians accountable just because they wear a certain team color. Dividing us by team color is a tactic and a tool by corporatists and their propaganda machine to keep us powerless in the face of what is being done to us.

You started out talking about body cameras. I pointed out that they are not sufficient and that all the PR about them serves the purpose of pretending to do something about the problem, while actually just adding cameras to an outrageous and unconstitutional police state. I posted damning evidence of this administration's complicity in ESCALATING the militarization of our police. And now you want to talk about homeowners' associations.

I am finished here now, but I think this exchange was useful and illustrative of the REAL problem we face.

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