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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:42 AM Feb 2015

Hillary Clinton and Inevitability: This Time Is Different

Nate Cohn

FEB. 19, 2015

Whenever I mention that Hillary Clinton is an overwhelming favorite for the Democratic nomination — and would be even if Senator Elizabeth Warren ran — the conversation usually comes back to 2008. “She was supposed to be inevitable last time,” the refrain goes, “and she lost.”

I get it. I remember that Mrs. Clinton was “inevitable,” and I see why today’s discussions of Mrs. Clinton’s strength sound familiar.

But there is no equivalence between Mrs. Clinton’s strength then and now. She was never inevitable eight years ago. If a candidate has ever been inevitable — for the nomination — it is Mrs. Clinton today.

She was certainly a strong candidate in 2008. But by this time in that cycle, it was already clear that she would not cruise to the nomination. Yes, she held an impressive 40 percent or so of the Democratic vote in national polls, leading Senator Barack Obama by 15 points. That, however, is not inevitability.

Candidates with a case for inevitability — the ones who started as big favorites and won the nomination without a long fight, like Al Gore and George W. Bush in 2000 and Bob Dole in 1996 — all held at least 50 percent of the vote in early polls, and led their opposition by enormous margins. The record of candidates with similar standing to Mrs. Clinton, like Gerald Ford in 1976 or Ted Kennedy in 1980, is not at all perfect. Kennedy lost, and Ford faced a protracted contest.

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Hillary Clinton and Inevitability: This Time Is Different (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2015 OP
Hillary will be the nominee Gman Feb 2015 #1
The GOP is hoping she wins the nomination glasshouses Feb 2015 #4
in what world is that? OKNancy Feb 2015 #5
The Clintons have beat them every time. Gman Feb 2015 #8
I don't buy it. And the more I hear the inevitable meme, the more dissentient Feb 2015 #2
+1. I suspect that neither nominee will be one of today's frontrunners. winter is coming Feb 2015 #7
There is no Barack Obama, who was a known quantity far before 2008. onehandle Feb 2015 #3
Don't nominate a Turd Wayer then. No more of them ever. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #6

Gman

(24,780 posts)
1. Hillary will be the nominee
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:14 PM
Feb 2015

The danger comes from a very long and protracted atrack on her during the GOP primaries. In the meantime, Denocrats don't have anything to gear up for until the convention. There is no focus until half way through the year this will likely make for a close race in November. However, never underestimate the Clintons.

 

dissentient

(861 posts)
2. I don't buy it. And the more I hear the inevitable meme, the more
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:19 PM
Feb 2015

it makes me think this is going to be an unexpected primary, with an outcome that can't be foreseen.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
7. +1. I suspect that neither nominee will be one of today's frontrunners.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:30 PM
Feb 2015

After all, the GOP ended up with Mitt, the guy no one seemed enthused about, because he outlasted everyone else falling on their faces.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
3. There is no Barack Obama, who was a known quantity far before 2008.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:27 PM
Feb 2015

The only reason she might not get the nomination, is if she doesn't run.

Rather than tearing her down and damaging our nominee, her naysayers should be working on convincing her not to run.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
6. Don't nominate a Turd Wayer then. No more of them ever.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:17 PM
Feb 2015

I have no influence to convince her of a damn thing but I would guess that if she thinks she can't win then she won't run.

Her "viability" along with future Turd Way fucks must be obliterated.

Hey Turd Way, whatever you think the Democratic party is a vehicle for that you can't get from your natural party, it will be denied to you. Go home and moderate your own shitty party. If you're so big and bad take on a real fight and take out the Bushes in a power play there but you won't because you types really work for them and corporate interests to destroy opposition to the Bush agenda in the Democratic party.

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