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Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:26 PM Feb 2015

US to Slow Down Troop Withdrawal from Afghanistan as White House 'Rethinks' Mission

Whew! Thank heavens the adults are in control. Leaving Afghanistan prematurely will result in US radicals arguing we now have the means for more social spending. Screw that. I say stay in Afghanistan forever if it diminishes wasteful expenditures on education, health care, and infrastructure. Who knows what radicals would have done with that $65 billion spent training Afghan forces if they could have gotten their paws on it? Keep the information classified for all I care. If the military is packing it into bales and tossing it into the Khyber Pass, it's better than what would have been done with it here.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/02/21/us-slow-down-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan-white-house-rethinks-mission

The U.S. is slowing down its withdrawal from Afghanistan, despite long-held promises that the military would be out of the country by 2016, new Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said on Saturday.

Carter told reporters in Kabul that the Obama administration is "rethinking" its counter-terrorism mission in Afghanistan and that the U.S. military wants to ensure that "progress sticks" in the country after its withdrawal. In his first trip to Afghanistan since being sworn in as Pentagon chief, Carter said a new plan could change the original schedule, which would have seen the U.S. halving its troops this year and establishing a "normal" embassy presence by 2016.

Reuters reports:

<Carter's> remarks set the stage for talks next month when the Afghan president is expected in Washington.

"Our priority now is to make sure this progress sticks," Carter said at a joint conference with President Ashraf Ghani, hours after landing in Kabul.

.... Carter, who this week became Obama's fourth defense secretary, is a former Pentagon No. 2 with deep roots in U.S. policy on Afghanistan. He said Saturday marked his tenth official visit to the country, even though it was his first at the helm of the Department of Defense.


The news follows a series of developments in the military's involvement in Afghanistan. In January, it was revealed that military officials had classified information about how they were spending $65 billion appropriated since 2002 to train Afghan forces.

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US to Slow Down Troop Withdrawal from Afghanistan as White House 'Rethinks' Mission (Original Post) Karmadillo Feb 2015 OP
"Deep roots in US policy in Afghanistan"--yeah, that worked out great. TwilightGardener Feb 2015 #1
We lost. Get out. Get over it. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #2
You know as well as I do that it has nothing to do with winning or losing. TwilightGardener Feb 2015 #7
Just like the Soviets. But, they had the sense to get out. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #9
The forever war. We certainly are busy, aren't we? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #3
We are never again going to be free of constant war, are we? Brigid Feb 2015 #4
I don't think so sakabatou Feb 2015 #5
War is our business, war is our brand Laughing Mirror Feb 2015 #6
It's been that way everywhere since forever. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #10
"our combat mission in Afghanistan is ending" bigtree Feb 2015 #8

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
7. You know as well as I do that it has nothing to do with winning or losing.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 03:20 PM
Feb 2015

It's just going back to a never-ending low-simmer occupation, what Cheney/Rumsfeld initially intended in 2001.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
9. Just like the Soviets. But, they had the sense to get out.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 03:53 PM
Feb 2015

It started as, and remains, a PR war to show we're "doing something". However counterproductive, atrocious, and downright stupid it may be. Just like Iraq, Yemen, Libya, and all the rest.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
3. The forever war. We certainly are busy, aren't we?
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 02:46 PM
Feb 2015

Afghanistan
Pakistan
Iran
Iraq
Syria
Libya
Yemen
Somalia

Busy, busy, busy...

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
8. "our combat mission in Afghanistan is ending"
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 03:21 PM
Feb 2015

"...and the longest war in American history is coming to a responsible conclusion."

President Obama's statement on the End of the Combat Mission in Afghanistan -December 28, 2014


___Ready or not, its becoming increasingly clear that President Obama can't leave Afghanistan fast enough to outrun the mission's devastating failure...but, we're not really leaving, are we? Almost 11,000 U.S. troops will remain in Iraq for the first few months of 2015 and then drawdown to about 5,500 troops by the end of next year; 'training' Afghan military forces and conducting 'counterterrorism operations against the remnants of al Qaeda.'

"Our personnel will continue to face risks," President Obama admitted in his statement. Understated, I think, given that he's re-escalated his terror war in Iraq and expanded U.S. attacks to Syria in a military offensive which the administration and military has justified and defined as an extension of their 13 year terror war by stressing dubious and tangential ties between their new nemesis and enemy and al-Qaeda. Notwithstanding approval by the new republican Congress of President Obama's pursuit of a new authorization to use military force, they're still relying on the original 9-11 AUMF to recommit our forces to their perpetual war. Only in the most evasive and contradictory terms can Pres. Obama claim that the "longest war in American history" is coming to a an end.

"The Afghan people must know that our commitment to their future is enduring, because the security of Afghanistan and the United States is shared." Barack Obama said on July 15, 2008.

"I think Afghanistan is still winnable, in the sense of our ability to ensure that it is not a launching pad for attacks against North America. I think it's still possible for us to stamp out al Qaeda to make sure that extremism is not expanding but rather is contracting. I think all those goals are still possible, but I think that as a consequence to the war on Iraq, we took our eye off the ball. We have not been as focused as we need to be on all the various steps that are needed in order to deal with Afghanistan," the president had said.


I don't believe there was ever anything to 'win' in Afghanistan, as the president suggested. There has been, however, much to lose in this repeated flailing of our military forces against the Afghan people; against the remnants and ghosts of al-Qaeda. We have already been shown, repeatedly, that our government-building efforts behind the force of our military in the Middle East has produced more individuals inclined or resigned to violent expressions of resistance than it's succeeded in establishing any of the 'democracy' or 'stability' promised.

There's absolutely no hint of lessons learned from the President's tragic escalation of Bush's Afghanistan deployment in which he sacrificed over 1000 more troops' lives in his ''surge' than Bush lost avenging 9-11. Over 2200 U.S. troops have been sacrificed in Afghanistan - 630 of those deaths occurring in 8 years under George W. Bush. Illustratively, the top three deadliest years of the war -- 2010 (497 deaths), 2011 (362), 2009 (303) -- occurred under President Obama’s tenure. Nearly two-thirds of the U.S. fatalities in the war in Afghanistan have occurred during the Obama administration, in a quarter of the war's duration.

One would hope that the American public would demand accountability from this administration on the goals they establish behind these new deployments. It should be remembered that the Iraq 'surge' began as a trickle, and, in a year, over 800 U.S. troops had lost their lives as a result of that escalation. What we need to hear from the administration is a clear mission for our nation's defenders in Afghanistan, and elsewhere, which is actually directed toward fulfilling the original authorization to use military force which Congress approved for prosecution against "those responsible for the (9-11) attacks launched against the United States."

"That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons."


If we are really serious about 'democracy' in Afghanistan we should let Afghans sort out those conflicts they have with resistant communities and provinces by themselves. Unfortunately, with any continued U.S. military presence there, that means more armed conflict for our assisting troops, and the reality is, democratic governance from the protected regime won't happen in any truly representative way while the Afghan military is operating behind our heavy-handed presence which carries with it our decidedly retaliatory and destabilizing agenda. We should let Ashraf Ghani (or whoever manages to assume authority in the future) prosecute those defenses without our compromising influence.

What we need in Afghanistan is a true end-point to the occupation. That isn't likely to come with the President's announcement, but it's something which Congress should demand from the administration before they hand over another wad of borrowed cash to continue. If they're not prepared to draft a more defining and relevant authorization for the use of our defensive forces in Afghanistan they should, at least, endeavor to compel the administration to adhere to the limited mandate in the original one.

The President and our legislators need to craft and direct policy in Afghanistan which is 'enduring' but, not merely an extension of this self-perpetuating flailing of our military forces at every expression of resistance to their self-serving presence; or against their self-serving political agendas. Both Bush and Obama made dubious and tenuous representations of the threat to the U.S. in order to declare and secure their unilateral authority to use our military forces (at least initially) any way they see fit, without congressional pre-approval - justified almost entirely in their view by their opportunistic declarations that our security is threatened.

That was the slippery slope that Bush used to war. That's the slope that Pres. Obama used to escalate Bush's Afghanistan occupation far beyond the former republican presidency's limits - with the catastrophic result of scores more casualties than Bush to our forces during this Democratic administration's first term and scores more innocent Afghans dead, maimed, or uprooted.

In pressing forward with a re-escalated U.S. military response to the atrocities committed within Iraq, this Democratic president is losing almost all of the ground we thought we'd covered in repudiating the opportunistic Bush wars. Bush's were waged, certainly, for oil and other greed; but just as certainly to effect U.S. expansionist ideals involving regime changes and 'dominoes.'

In President Obama's recent representations of a future threat to the U.S. from this new enemy in Iraq, we see echoes of Bush's 'preemptive doctrine' which many believed this new president's election was repudiating. The results, worldwide, of contemporary U.S. interventionism, speak for themselves. The Obama administration, almost blithely, is hoping their own military steadfastness in Afghanistan - and their new offensive stand in Iraq says something uniquely democratic and inspiring to the world. I'm afraid that all anyone outside of this country will hear is 'empire. . .'


(We're still at war)
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