a career of taking money from the government for bullying people.

facts from the Department of Health and Human Services.

However the response did not address the exceptionally low positive rate of the tests and the waste of tax payer money, but I guess they are okay with that.......

because the cops ASSume that POC and the poor are lazy and criminal simply because they are POC and/or poor.

I hope this bastard is retired. I'd hate to think he's still on the street abusing people who are already being abused by poverty.

I mean, I think it does, and I am not being a smarts. I am just trying to understand.

more racist trash.

You sir, are THE problem.

Hard to believe, but your post was alerted upon. I was Juror #6.

Here are the results:

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why do we need to read this right wing garbage here? hide this and send a lesson that DU doesn't need to read crap from wing-nuts on facebook.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Feb 21, 2015, 04:21 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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and they used to get away with that shit. After a while, people caught on to them though. I am relieved to see this was no exception.

You are one of my all time favorite people, and we haven't even met.

I think you're very cool too!

How do you know that?

and now he looks like he is going to POP .

A major change in diet, combined with heavy weightlifting and good genes, can work wonders in a sufficiently young man's physique without the use of steroids.

Touchy subject for you huh?

If you're implying that I take steroids, no. I don't.

They get the very often and never have notice.

sometimes cops make the best criminals.

Which sometimes has the effect of increasing aggression.

Moreover, his response was calmly and literately expressed. It was not a rage-filled rant.

The problem I see in it is one common with the opinions of policeman: It reflects only his personal experience, not broad statistics. People in his position tend to generalize from their experiences, which of necessity involve the worst offenders among the group they're objecting to.

You see the exact same talking points made over and over again. They are obviously getting a list of talking points from somewhere to "seed" everywhere they possibly can. Because they know NOTHING about how "public assistance" actually works.

They don't know that assistance is rarely delivered in "direct cash". They don't know that in many places it is in the form of a loan, not "free money" - even for disabled people. They don't know that in some places if you are able to work, you can only get assistance for rent (no direct cash to you) only 3 months out of a year, whether you can get a job or not. They don't know that assistance is a PITTANCE compared to what landlords actually charge for rent, so you are likely to lose your housing anyway. They don't know that social services is always screwing up at your expense, which also leads to homelessness. They don't know there is no subsidy for transportation, only partial subsidy for telephone and utility bills, and nothing to pay for basic necessities like hygiene products, toilet paper, light bulbs, over-the-counter medicine - anything that food stamps won't cover. All you can get from the government if you don't have a child is food stamps and "general assistance". The terms of "general assistance" are determined by the county you're in, but it's highly unlikely to be direct cash in you're pocket! If you see someone using an EBT card to extract cash, that's an arrangement to get their rent money because something was screwed up with social services that month. In my county social services recently gave people the option to receive the rent money directly and pay their landlords because their tendency to deduct from the rent check was threatening people's housing and made no sense. So people are receiving cash *as a pass-through* to their landlords.

There is nothing more stressful than trying to live months, and even years on end with no cash income. You have an incompetent social services system and constant "fraud" investigation and a disapproving public always watching you while you struggle to survive. On the other side you have the constant threat of homelessness as your landlord will be loathe to put up with these unstable conditions for long. You live month to month praying for things to change. Meanwhile your doctor advises you to reduce your amount of stress, and you get referred to a therapist for your anxiety and depression. Society gets billed for the doctor and the therapist.

It is a GOP fantasy that everyone has family waiting to offer them free room and board. It is a GOP fantasy that everyone "on welfare" has been doing drugs and now "the government" is giving them "free money" to "get away with stuff". Somewhere there is a GOP propagandist who has written up this propaganda piece and now distributes it as a specific list of talking points according to this Rovian Blogging Technique: https://www.facebook.com/notes/bruce-bacon/tactics-for-effective-conservative-blogging-by-karl-rove/10150706161713017

A few DU posts have shown that Tea Party social media training video where they teach people how to astroturf forums and comment sections. Well this particular LIE I have seen being spread over and over again: people on welfare are all lying alcoholics who rejected the chance to go live with family members and they get free money from welfare... This lie is seeded everywhere!

ROVIAN BLOGGING TECHNIQUE MEETS TEA PARTY SOCIAL MEDIA TRAINING!

I really wish this particular lie could be squashed somehow.

ROVIAN BLOGGING TECHNIQUE MEETS TEA PARTY SOCIAL MEDIA TRAINING! <<<---- is absolutely amaze.


Perfect. OMG! I am bookmarking this. Thank you Thank you.

>> You live month to month praying for things to change. Meanwhile your doctor advises you to reduce your amount of stress, and you get referred to a therapist for your anxiety and depression. Society gets billed for the doctor and the therapist. <<

The "system" is a lot different where I live (in Canada). By and large, it is a much better system, but there are problems. The quote from your post (above) outlines one of them.

When one's basic cash flow for necessities is threatened (or severely restricted), there is no way one can live "stress" free. No, we certainly cannot expect to live our entire lives without worry, but being on the dole - for whatever reason - is by far one of the more stressful experiences a person could ever endure.

Thank you for your thoughts on this. They matter.

I also think most cops are not qualified to carry guns, much less be cops.

This guy sounds like a loser who has no idea what actually causes the problems he sees in his work, and he doesn't want to know.

His mind is closed and locked down tight.

Fast story.

I do lots of volunteer work for my church. A few weeks back one of the ladies that works in the office, she is staff does the data and accounting, was assaulted on church property. The guy was arrested but made bail and he lives near the church. So a few days after the assault his picture his posted in the working sacristy with the email from the sheriff's office about the incident and a description of the guy and instructions to call 911 if you see him on church grounds.

That very morning this info is posted just about all the people that attend daily Mass came up to me and asked, "Is that the guy?" The "guy" they were referring too in no way resembles the person in the mug shot other then they were both black. For the record, several of the people that asked me if that was the guy were also black. The "guy" they thought was the mug shot guy, I kindly reminded them that he comes here every Thursday morning never comes in for Mass and as done this for years. He comes for food and clothes sometimes money. Several Deacons help him out. These people know that, one even said "yeah, I know he comes for the food but always tries to take too much."

Ugh!

These people are normal people yet very typical too. Not mean, but mostly meaning well. Mostly nice and kind. But damn they can be cold hearted souls. This man is homeless. I don't know his story. But I do know that this last Thursday it was freezing and when I saw him at Mass I spoke to him. He really needed a new pair of shoes, the ones he had on had holes in the soles. He told me he stops by here for food and sometimes help from one of the Deacons. Of course I already knew that, I am a nosy little person like the ministry of whisperers on Game of Thrones .

After words, he gets a ride from one of the ladies that comes to Mass to a homeless center type place. This lady does a lot of medical work for the homeless her and her husband. Anyway, I remembered I had a $20 on me, and since the Deacon didn't make it that morning, I slipped him the bill. I don't care what he does with it. And if I have cash on me again and he asks I'll probably give it to him. Oddly one of the scripture readings during that day was the one about if some one needs food, give them half of yours same with clothes etc. BTW and for the record, giving him money didn't make me feel like a better person and I never told anyone I did it until now. I just hope it made his day a little more easier.

It just irks me that people can be so mean. That and the way they quickly jumped to conclusions. These people really were ready to call the cops on him. It would have been really embarrassing if they had as he wasn't the mug shot guy.


But your old school mate thinks he his a good person and assumes everyone has had the same advantages as he and thinks like him. Very black and white, no room for grey or gray. While his post comes off as sane and rational it really is devoid of humanity. He talks a lot of politically correct rhetoric and that's it. A very shallow person. At least that's what I picked up from that post. I'd un-friend him.

"I also believe there should be strict rules and guidelines as to who can get monetary assistance, how much and for how long. "

He has been "dealing with these people" first hand for 20 years, and he doesn't know that TANF has time limits and work seeking rules.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligibility


or some like these...

Temporary Cash Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)

Temporary Cash Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) provides cash assistance to needy families with dependent children when available resources do not fully address the family's needs and while preparing program participants for independence through work. Adults with dependent children applying for or receiving TANF must meet financial and technical eligibility requirements. Conditions of eligibility include cooperation with child support, participation in work activities and compliance with substance abuse provisions. Earned and unearned income cannot exceed the benefit level paid for the assistance unit size and assets are limited to $2,000.00. Sanctions may be imposed for program noncompliance.

....disgusting antisocial behavior that has to do with Corporations, Politicians and many other parts of the populace.

It's easy to see a UFO when you insist on seeing one.

http://www.wbir.com/story/news/politics/2015/02/08/drug-testing-of-welfare-applicants-yields-few-positives/23086333/


If its the number of people he doubts,heres a R from Franklin that agrees with the low number.

"these people" - sums him up right there.
No need to take this opinion seriously except as to show bias in our law enforcement apparatus.

Those are the facts, are you saying these facts aren't true? Btw, how much did they waste on drug testing 16000+ people only to find 37?

...constantly challenging the ideas and opinions I dared to express on my own goddamned Facebook wall, when I finally figured out how to put the guy on a "restricted" list and be done with it.

Now this guy, and one member of my extended family, both do not receive anything I post on my Facebook wall, unless I make a special effort to assure that they'll get it. Meanwhile, I see everything they post, and will like and reply to it as appropriate, so they don't know the difference. It just looks to them like I've taken a break from posting anything, whereas the rest of my Facebook friends continue to see my frequent sharing of both political and non-political articles.

It's much more effective than unfriending them. They can go on clutching all the mountains of pearls their special little hands can hold if they ever catch on, but without doing some detective work it's unlikely they ever will.

As I said, that article is not a factual representation of what it's trying to prove. You can't tell me that in the whole state of Tennessee, only 16,000 people applied for some sort of monetary assistance. They name a specific "Families First" program which is probably just 1 program available. There are a lot more people applying for and receiving funds than that within the whole state. Those numbers are skewed and anyone with 1/2 a brain can see that. Then the article talks about a couple other states that have had similar results but does not give supportive facts. Believe what you want but that article is crap! As for facts....where I come from, 1st hand knowledge from actual observations and interviews with a large number of the very same people we are talking about over the course of 20 years is enough for me. I would rather spend the minimal money it costs for drug testing (Yeah, those costs are exaggerated by people like you too) than give away the amount of money we currently do to drug users and dealers scamming the system.