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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe right-wingers who claim Iran is STILL trying to get the bomb...what's their evidence?
They seem insanely sure of the idea that nothing at all has changed.
What do they base this conclusion on?
And why do they want to go back to the old Bush policies towards Iran when those policies never worked? Or worse, want to bomb Iran, when they know perfectly we can't do that without the outbreak of full scale war?
Are they going on anything at all besides stubbornness for stubborness' sake?
Aviation_Semi-Pro
(10 posts)Are they wrong? Probably not, but there being proof of their assertion is not the case.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,640 posts)They are persistent.
And disgusting.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The voices in their own heads.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)So do others.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were trying to conceal their intentions, either.
It's simply not a reason to go "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" to quote McCain.
There are more ways than one to fix a wagon, little red or otherwise.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If every other country in the region has the bomb(most of them with a leadership just as ugly, aggressive, and repressive as that of Iran)why would it be singularly unacceptable for Iran to have one?
Why should Iran be obligated to be the only nuclear-free country in the whole Middle-East/Central Asia region?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Usually those decisions are made in context with the stability of a nation's leadership.
We -- and others who think our Persian friends aren't too logical in their foreign policy or their internal management practices -- don't have to like the idea, or agree/accept that it's "OK" without having to insist that the next step has to be the whole "bomb bomb bomb" one.
War is simply a continuation of politics (and by extension, diplomacy) by other means...why not just stick to the diplomatic or low-level intensity tracks? They're cheaper and probably just as--if not more--effective.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)With any luck they'll use it on Israel.
Calm down.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Hey, if you want to go for regional nuclear disarmament, I'd be behind you on that.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)I was beyond apopletic and near nuclear myself.
Regional disarmament ?....like my Italian gm used to say .."FATA CHANCEA".
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And would you agree, if nothing else, that no possible good would come of anybody bombing Iran, since there's no way to do that without all-out war breaking out in return?
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)It's the only sure way to keep the war mongers from attacking. If Iraq had nukes - or even WMDs - we would never have invaded them.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)spanone
(135,844 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Obviously, he has big fans among Boehner and the Party of Stubborn.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)AND NOT CENTRIFUGES !!
Duh.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)Not one person who commented know anything about what Irans developmental nuclear designs are. Not one person.
Let's see what we do know..
They have stated there desire for nukes.
They have supposedly been developing light water uranium.
They have centrifuges .
We haven't seen their facilities since I don't remember.
Stuxnet nailed their centrifuges.,,,for a time.
All this from a country that have called for a world without israel.
And you all love them because of your hate for BN.
DO ME A FAVOR...I' asking....
Don't respond... I won't.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)We just don't want to see innocent Iranian civilians get killed.
You can't hold everyone in Iran responsible for what the mullahs get up to.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)responsible for their threats and their nuclear plans.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Giving up on negotiations and going straight to more sanctions(which then means inevitably going straight to bombing) does nothing to stop the mullahs. It actually strengthens them. It gives them the chance to argue that the U.S. and Israel are conspiring to put the Pahlevis back into power.
And it almost certainly ends up leading to war between the U.S and Israel on one side and Iran and Putin's Russia on the other. That war would basically end up ending the world.
What could ever be worth that?
And sanctions and threats of war were the default policies towards Iran the U.S. pursued all through the Bush/Cheney era-policies that obviously never worked, given that Bush was STILL warning about Iran getting the bomb all the way out the White House door. Why go back to what failed for eight years?
Yes, I disagree with Netanyahu's policies on virtually every issue-on economics, he's putting the screws to Israelis themselves with all his privatizations, on the Territories he's endangering ordinary Israelis to appease the craziest of the illegal West Bank settlers(and doing so for no good reason, since the settlements do nothing but jeopardize Israeli security by keeping tensions at the boiling point in the West Bank)and on Iran, he's just plain being crazy.
But I don't hate him as a person. I have no feelings about him as a person. I just oppose what he's doing-and so does half of Israel, based on the polling for the election campaign up to this point. Why do you take sincere differences over policy as "hatred"? And what good would it possibly do to support Netanyahu? The man has no good intentions, and his party only survives as long as Israel remains in a state of perpetual war or near-war. What's to like?
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)of 40 years while the US looks the other way when it comes to anyone else and Israel likely has a secret stockpile, why they keep their nuclear capabilities a huge secret but Iran has dealt with this while we ally with their rivals, threaten war because for some reason the sanctions are never good enough as far as the US is concerned. Combine all this--I could see why Iran would want some self-defense Nukes.
All-that-said, Iran hasn't backed down publicly in their desire to use nuclear energy for civilian uses & all recent evidence appears their nuclear technology is "clean". Would I trust them? A hell lot of countries have nukes I wouldn't trust with including the US who odds probably favor as the next country that "strikes first".
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)They're misleading & has to do with intended political support.
Iran is Shia, they provide aid, training, & financing for Shia militias. One of those is Hezbollah, they share the same enemy the US does is AQ+affiliates. Their terror is much more local-based, directed at Israel but not much activities when it comes to the US or West in general.
The countries that provide support for the Wahabbi militias happen to be our closest allies. When it comes to those countries OTOH....
Saudi nuclear weapons 'on order' from Pakistan
Saudi Arabia has invested in Pakistani nuclear weapons projects, and believes it could obtain atomic bombs at will, a variety of sources have told BBC Newsnight.
While the kingdom's quest has often been set in the context of countering Iran's atomic programme, it is now possible that the Saudis might be able to deploy such devices more quickly than the Islamic republic.
Earlier this year, a senior Nato decision maker told me that he had seen intelligence reporting that nuclear weapons made in Pakistan on behalf of Saudi Arabia are now sitting ready for delivery.
Last month Amos Yadlin, a former head of Israeli military intelligence, told a conference in Sweden that if Iran got the bomb, "the Saudis will not wait one month. They already paid for the bomb, they will go to Pakistan and bring what they need to bring."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24823846
If anyone is likely to give a nuke to Al-Qaeda, IS, The Taliban, Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, whoever it is either someone with wealth or political connections to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, or UAB. Pakistan should be on the on-the-lookout as well though I'm unfamiliar the sect or ideology that rules Pakistan.