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I'll be back here after the primary. (Original Post) MoonRiver Feb 2015 OP
I'm thinking of adding Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #1
Do you need to see a blatant example before you believe that Hillary-hate exists? pnwmom Feb 2015 #25
Oh sure, it exists. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #32
There are far too many examples of hate instead of reasoned criticism, IMO. nt pnwmom Feb 2015 #35
Hillary is not my first choice, but I would still vote for her if she won the Primary. TerrapinFlyer Feb 2015 #2
Can we all just hate Hillary and get along? onehandle Feb 2015 #3
Bye vt_native Feb 2015 #4
Yep, the Obama and HRC hate is a bit much. Hoyt Feb 2015 #5
Primary season is about selecting from several candidates, discussing the pros and cons. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #6
It's not primary season. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #10
If those who don't want Hillary don't speak up, there won't be a primary season. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #13
There will be primaries. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #15
+1 LittleBlue Feb 2015 #47
You only see them if you wish to see them Kaleva Feb 2015 #7
Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #8
I am getting pretty sick of it, too. MADem Feb 2015 #9
+1... SidDithers Feb 2015 #18
Oh no! Canadian man bemoans US liberal site moving left instead of right. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #23
;^) ND-Dem Feb 2015 #28
... SidDithers Feb 2015 #43
Truth & ironic humor all wrapped up in one short RiverLover Feb 2015 #34
Keep working at it. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #37
+2. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #29
It's no worse than the insane Hillary is the new Messiah rants. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #11
Ok, I'm sure we will miss being told everyone who doesn't back Hillary, or has problems with her past dissentient Feb 2015 #12
I'll try and be constructive here Ramses Feb 2015 #14
I skipped the entire fight between the Obama and HRC camps the last elections. Rex Feb 2015 #16
You do that they win. Don't give them the satisfaction. William769 Feb 2015 #17
Yes, let's skip the democratic part of the process whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #19
It appears that most here have already made up their minds. Kaleva Feb 2015 #22
Don't go. Agschmid Feb 2015 #20
So okay, am I a hater because I am worried about some of her stances (TPP and Wall Street)? jwirr Feb 2015 #21
Thank you for explaining it much more politely than I was about to. Jim Lane Feb 2015 #24
Criticism and hate are not the same thing. pnwmom Feb 2015 #26
That's just one example. William769 Feb 2015 #27
I think many people on DU label ANY thing said against Hillary as hate davidpdx Feb 2015 #31
Yes, 4 to 3 to keep -- with none of the keepers offering an explanation. pnwmom Feb 2015 #36
There are some who have suggested she has "earned it" and that's what is driving some anger davidn3600 Feb 2015 #38
That wasn't what led to the post. The issue was whether she was qualified for the job. pnwmom Feb 2015 #46
No I did not see that and yes I think that could qualify as hate. Could it have been a troll? jwirr Feb 2015 #42
I'm done with corrupt, corporate, neocon politicians pretending to be Democrats. woo me with science Feb 2015 #30
I second... sendero Feb 2015 #41
I hear you.... BooScout Feb 2015 #33
Have a Waffle. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #39
. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #49
You HATE aspirant Feb 2015 #40
FFS, another dramatic announcement. Why the fucking drama, just leave. No warning needed. nt Logical Feb 2015 #44
It's not "insane" and not "hate" either fadedrose Feb 2015 #45
it is hard to take sometimes Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #48

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. I'm thinking of adding
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:26 PM
Feb 2015

'Hillary hate' or 'Hillary haters' to my trash list. Using the phrase seems to be a sure sign that the post is only meant to be used to slam anyone who doesn't prefer HRC as the Dem candidate.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
25. Do you need to see a blatant example before you believe that Hillary-hate exists?
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 05:53 AM
Feb 2015

It was alerted on and allowed to stand. So it not only exists, it was supported by several jurors.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6255478

And she would never have been appointed SOS if Obama hadn't felt he owed her something after wiping the floor with her in the primaries. Her senatorial record was underwhelming and her tenure as SOS consisted mostly of advocating neocon foreign policy and kissing up to Pentagon brass.

She hasn't "earned" squat. But she did sleep with the guy who got a BJ in the Oval Office.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
32. Oh sure, it exists.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 07:57 AM
Feb 2015

But what is sloppily considered 'hatred' is far too broad. Anyone who says anything negative is considered a 'hater' by many onsite, to the point where it's used simply as a way to troll whatever percentage of the site isn't behind HRC, and feel her policies would be less helpful to the American people than other possible candidates.

 

TerrapinFlyer

(277 posts)
2. Hillary is not my first choice, but I would still vote for her if she won the Primary.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:27 PM
Feb 2015

The amount of hate against Hillary is telling.

DU goes through phases of silliness.

The Democratic Party goes through phases of silliness.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
6. Primary season is about selecting from several candidates, discussing the pros and cons.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:28 PM
Feb 2015

If you expect this board to not have voices expressing disapproval of some, of any, preordained inevitable candidate, then it may be for the best that you take a break or use the ignore feature to it's full capacity.

See you when you return. Take care.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
13. If those who don't want Hillary don't speak up, there won't be a primary season.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:15 PM
Feb 2015

Thus the loud shouting, to help ensure that she does not run unopposed, if she runs.

The corporate media machine has already made up our minds, but some aren't ready for that.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
15. There will be primaries.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:18 PM
Feb 2015

Posting Hillary hate on DU isn't the reason. It occurs every 4-8 years.

Kaleva

(36,312 posts)
7. You only see them if you wish to see them
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:31 PM
Feb 2015

I sometimes note that there's quite a few threads in GD about Hillary, Warren and Sanders but for the most part, I give them little thought and skip over them.

DU is quite a big place with lots of interesting groups and even GD has many discussions going on that have nothing to do with the upcoming primary and general election.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
9. I am getting pretty sick of it, too.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 09:50 PM
Feb 2015

I think a lot of it is deliberate trolling with all the repeating of right wing memes.

If I wanted to read Drudge and Newsmax I'd go to those shitty sites.

Wish the admins would do a little clean up, but I guess they'll just have to lose page clicks. If everyone who is sick of this shit backs off, it'll just be the tools and trolls talking to one another, and what fun is that?

This is no longer a site for Democrats--it's a site where people criticize and berate Democrats, and I think it sucks.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
18. +1...
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:29 PM
Feb 2015

Between the Hillary haters and the Putin fetishists, this place has taken a hard left turn into assholeville*.

*full credit to the wonderful Patton Oswalt for the delightful phrasing.

Sid

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
23. Oh no! Canadian man bemoans US liberal site moving left instead of right.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:33 PM
Feb 2015

While it's terrible to hear that your rightward hopes for this site aren't being realized, I'm sure you'll find a way to soldier on.

 

dissentient

(861 posts)
12. Ok, I'm sure we will miss being told everyone who doesn't back Hillary, or has problems with her past
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:13 PM
Feb 2015

Last edited Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:49 PM - Edit history (1)

votes, such as the Iraq war "Yes" vote, is nothing but a "hater".

 

Ramses

(721 posts)
14. I'll try and be constructive here
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:16 PM
Feb 2015

How can one support a politician who voted for a war based on lies that killed over a million people?

I honestly want to know the thought process of someone like that. How would one constructively criticize that?

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
19. Yes, let's skip the democratic part of the process
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:31 PM
Feb 2015

Last edited Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:12 PM - Edit history (1)

You know, the part where we watch debates and evaluate positions... and just vote for the odds on favorite.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
20. Don't go.
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:33 PM
Feb 2015

I don't even really "support" her. I don't want an uncontested primary, I'd like to see other people enter the field (hell it would be good to have even 1 candidate, since we don't!). This has been a ridiculous week but there are quite a few other posts on DU I find interesting so I'll be here.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
21. So okay, am I a hater because I am worried about some of her stances (TPP and Wall Street)?
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:47 PM
Feb 2015

I trust her on women's issues and most social justice issues. How am I supposed to convince her that I think her economic stances (at least what we know of them) and the issues I trust her on do not work together? Am I supposed to ignore who she chooses to advice her? Am I just supposed to stop thinking and vote for the inevitable?

I do not quite understand what it is that you are expecting here. This is discussion board but we are not supposed to discuss?

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
24. Thank you for explaining it much more politely than I was about to.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 02:02 AM
Feb 2015

I'll adopt your statement "I do not quite understand what it is that you are expecting here" in lieu of what I really think, which might have gotten me a hide.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
26. Criticism and hate are not the same thing.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 05:59 AM
Feb 2015

I know you know the difference because I've never seen you engage in hate. But really, haven't you seen others?

Like the person who, in saying that he felt she wasn't qualified to be President, said: "She hasn't 'earned' squat. But she did sleep with the guy who got a BJ in the Oval Office."

A jury let that stand.

William769

(55,147 posts)
27. That's just one example.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 06:09 AM
Feb 2015

It also seems that it's the haters that also don't have a problem with that king of comment.

It's hate and nothing else, no doubt about that. Or that comment that Hillary is right of most Republicans. The list goes on & on.

Kind of reminds me of a clansman saying he's not racist. People can't see the hate because they are part of it.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
31. I think many people on DU label ANY thing said against Hillary as hate
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 07:31 AM
Feb 2015

Now the post you were talking about, even I would have voted to hide. I agree there is a clear difference on that one. Out of curiosity do you remember what the outcome was? 4-3?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
36. Yes, 4 to 3 to keep -- with none of the keepers offering an explanation.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 08:41 AM
Feb 2015

And there were also several other posters in the thread defending the post.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
38. There are some who have suggested she has "earned it" and that's what is driving some anger
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 09:10 AM
Feb 2015

There are some here who think it is "Hillary's turn" or that she has "earned it" after all these years. Which is completely ridiculous. No one is entitled to the nomination. That's not how it works.

I'm sorry but it isn't anyone's "turn." This stuff isn't supposed to be predetermined by party heads. That kind of thing is very specifically what George Washington warned about and why he hated political parties. He worried party elitists would one day pick the candidates and the people would just simply fall in line.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
46. That wasn't what led to the post. The issue was whether she was qualified for the job.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 03:26 PM
Feb 2015

And as someone with a law degree (from Yale) who worked as a lawyer and eventually became Senator and Secretary of State (not to mention her unpaid terms as First Lady, in which she was more involved in policy than any First Lady since Eleanor Roosevelt) she has a background as strong as many men who have become Presidents.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
30. I'm done with corrupt, corporate, neocon politicians pretending to be Democrats.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 07:07 AM
Feb 2015

I'm done with billionaires buying our politicians.

And I have nothing but contempt for their absurd propaganda machine that tries to pretend that corporate politicians are the victims and the people are just whining.

The victims are the hundreds of thousands of dead men, women, and children from Hillary's wars, and the millions more suffering from neoliberal economic policies and the corporate dismantling of democracy.

I am unmoved by whining and complaining that people are being mean to Hillary.



sendero

(28,552 posts)
41. I second...
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 09:17 AM
Feb 2015

... in violent agreement.

I'm tired of folks too lazy to look at the facts. I'm tired of people selling themselves and everyone else that isn't a billionaire out.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
40. You HATE
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 09:11 AM
Feb 2015

The HATERS of HRC who post on DU and you HATE the alert results of HATEFUL words(your interpretation) of democrats you think HATE America.

Maybe there is a little to much HATE in your life.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
45. It's not "insane" and not "hate" either
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 11:23 AM
Feb 2015

The mean posts reflect the anger some have for being told who won the coming election in 2016. I think we're as tired of that just as you are of the mean posts. And we don't believe the she won the election next year just as you don't believe the mean posts about her.

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