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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:07 PM Feb 2015

The bottom line reason Warren probably won't run: money.

She has two choices: run on her principles and use only Federal matching funds. In which case she's likely to lose because the Rethug will far outspend her.

Or take money from some of the same sources that Obama used and H. Clinton will use, to build a giant war-chest. In which case most of Warren's supporters will immediately view her as a sell-out.

This is the system we have now, thanks to the SCOTUS. Unlimited campaign spending as a form of "freedom of speech."

P.S.

She's running out of time. Obama had already begun campaigning at this point in his first Presidential run.


http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/barack-obama-mitt-romney-both-topped-1-billion-in-2012-84737.html

Obama: $1.123 billion vs. Romney: $1.019 billion.

That’s the final fundraising tally in the most expensive presidential election ever, according to reports filed Thursday with the Federal Election Commission by the rival campaigns and party committees.

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The bottom line reason Warren probably won't run: money. (Original Post) pnwmom Feb 2015 OP
If money was that important, where is President Romney? 4139 Feb 2015 #1
Obama had the bigger war-chest. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #2
He didn't start out with that war chest. PassingFair Feb 2015 #9
But he had to raise it, and he had already started by now. Warren doesn't even have pnwmom Feb 2015 #10
It's called "the internet" PassingFair Feb 2015 #12
Obama's campaign was well underway by now. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #15
Obama would have had less than half the war chest had he relied upon small donors. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #17
You have to start somewhere. PassingFair Feb 2015 #18
No, you have to line up the big money. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #19
We'll see. nt PassingFair Feb 2015 #21
and money is the ONLY Reason Bernie Sanders would have to become a Democrat... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #33
No. former9thward Feb 2015 #32
My thoughts exactly Politicalboi Feb 2015 #3
Romney had a smaller campaign budget. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #4
Hillary can make snow angels in her pile of cash. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #5
Yeah, we know. nt pnwmom Feb 2015 #6
. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #7
The 7:30 show is the same as the 5:30 show. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #13
Wonderful image. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #26
She'll still win. onehandle Feb 2015 #31
"In which case most of Warren's supporters will immediately view her as a sell-out. " djean111 Feb 2015 #8
I sort of think some money would move her way if she wasn't always saying NO. HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #11
Winnowing by wealth. Wallstreet rules. LiberalAndProud Feb 2015 #14
Money didn't help Eric Cantor. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #16
House races are not national campaigns. eom MohRokTah Feb 2015 #20
Doesn't matter. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #22
A few million at most in a House race compared to over $1 billion at the national level. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #23
No, it doesn't. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #24
elevating that voice....takes money! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #34
For what? Negative political ads that most Americans are turned off by? WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #36
The oligarchy has already selected who we must vote for. L0oniX Feb 2015 #25
One of my favorite hobbies is thinking of ways to piss off oligarchs. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #27
Saying you won't vote for Hillary pisses them off too. L0oniX Feb 2015 #28
Why should we care what Left Leaning Independents think about the winner of OUR Primary? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #35
"Left Leaning Independent" is not an insult. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #37
No but this isn't "LeftLeaningIndependentUnderground.com"...is it? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #41
It's a site where "politically liberal people can do their part..." WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #42
to elect DEMOCRATS... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #43
LOL @ "fringe." WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #44
fringe as in....a minority... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #45
Hillary has been in my life for over 20 years. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #46
Oh really now? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #47
Would this be a Gish Gallop? WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #48
Facts are Facts and public record is public record.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #49
And here I was thinking that she was feeling good about the job she has now. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #29
I agree totally...imagine knocking on the doors of the same folks she has under her economic libdem4life Feb 2015 #30
The Cabinet. Or the Supreme Court. pnwmom Feb 2015 #39
Now why didn't I think of that ? Absolutely. libdem4life Feb 2015 #40
That, and she doesn't want the job, to her credit nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #38
She accepted a newly created position in the Senate created just for her JonLP24 Feb 2015 #50
She sure as hell isn't going to get any from Wall Street CanonRay Feb 2015 #51
Doesn't her declaration of not wanting to run mean anythiig? 2naSalit Feb 2015 #52

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
2. Obama had the bigger war-chest. n/t
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:13 PM
Feb 2015
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/barack-obama-mitt-romney-both-topped-1-billion-in-2012-84737.html

Obama: $1.123 billion vs. Romney: $1.019 billion.
That’s the final fundraising tally in the most expensive presidential election ever, according to reports filed Thursday with the Federal Election Commission by the rival campaigns and party committees.


PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
9. He didn't start out with that war chest.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:25 PM
Feb 2015

It came with viability.

He was people-powered until he beat Hillary.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
10. But he had to raise it, and he had already started by now. Warren doesn't even have
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:37 PM
Feb 2015

a skeletal campaign organization. How could she run without money? And how could she raise enough without taking some money from the kinds of sources DUers loathe?

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
12. It's called "the internet"
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:41 PM
Feb 2015

It's how Obama raised money until he got party support.

People will give what they can if they feel that the candidate will represent them.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
17. Obama would have had less than half the war chest had he relied upon small donors.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 05:06 PM
Feb 2015

You cannot win without the big money. That is the political reality in this country.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
19. No, you have to line up the big money.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 05:09 PM
Feb 2015

If you don't, you have no viability.

Viability requires the money in the first place.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
33. and money is the ONLY Reason Bernie Sanders would have to become a Democrat...
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 06:56 PM
Feb 2015

and would mark him as a sell out too!

former9thward

(32,026 posts)
32. No.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 06:18 PM
Feb 2015

Obama was funded from the beginning by the same people who used to fund the Daley machine in Chicago. After Hillary was out of the picture the rest of the party funders got behind him.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
31. She'll still win.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 06:05 PM
Feb 2015

BUSH AND GORE ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.
BUSH AND GORE ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.
BUSH AND GORE ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.

Except this time, there is no Ralph.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
8. "In which case most of Warren's supporters will immediately view her as a sell-out. "
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:19 PM
Feb 2015

Not me. I have a feeling that most assumptions about Not-Hillary supporters are more like wishful thinking.
Now, if Warren or Sanders or someone else who might run endorsed the TPP - then all bets are off, for me, but that includes just accepting that for me, the Democratic Party is gone. I wouldn't swing to Hillary.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. I sort of think some money would move her way if she wasn't always saying NO.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:40 PM
Feb 2015

If she was competitive in primaries I sort of expect a lot of money could move her way.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
22. Doesn't matter.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 05:25 PM
Feb 2015

Warren could pull it off. And just think of how much fun it would be to listen to CorporateMedia yapping away at "the big upset."

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
23. A few million at most in a House race compared to over $1 billion at the national level.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 05:27 PM
Feb 2015

Yes, it matters.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
24. No, it doesn't.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 05:47 PM
Feb 2015

Listen, I get that you're a Hillary fanboi (or girl), but I'm telling you, Warren's message would resonate with voters across ALL political spectrums who don't feel the benefit of "the big recovery." By those who want Wall Street reined in. Warren comes across as genuine on economic matters, unlike Hillary.

$1 billion at the national level is obscene. No one should support that kind of money on campaigns, considering 1 in 5 American children rely on food stamps, higher than before "the Great Recession." Hillary does not come across as someone who would fight for the working stiff, and that's what a very large swath of the country needs.

Warren: ‘The GOP is inventing a Social Security crisis’

Have any recent Hillary quotes saying the same thing?

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
36. For what? Negative political ads that most Americans are turned off by?
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 07:57 PM
Feb 2015

Money would flow to Warren. Many from deep-pocketed Hollywood are already on board. Donors would fall in line.

Warren's campaign could rely heavily on social media and college campuses. I imagine armies of volunteers would hit the streets, like with Howard Dean in 2004. I see excitement with Warren, and a lot of nose-holding with Hillary. It would just have to be a brilliantly run campaign -- no Donna Brazile or Bob Shrum (just two who come to mind).

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
37. "Left Leaning Independent" is not an insult.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 08:00 PM
Feb 2015

For some bizarre reason you seem to think it is. You'll need LLI votes come 2016... why attempt to alienate potential voters? Why not convince them to vote for the Democrat?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
41. No but this isn't "LeftLeaningIndependentUnderground.com"...is it?
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 09:12 PM
Feb 2015

This is a site for the promotion of DEMOCRATS....Left Leaning Independents are fair weather friends...they are not dependable.....

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
42. It's a site where "politically liberal people can do their part..."
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 09:56 PM
Feb 2015

to effect political and social change..." Somehow you always manage to leave that out while browbeating DUers. You need LLI votes -- why attempt to alienate them? With the country as divided as it is and elections often so close, why not attempt to bring them on board?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
43. to elect DEMOCRATS...
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 10:00 PM
Feb 2015

Democrats decide their own fate...

"You need LLI voters".....that is the exact same threat the Teabaggers make to the Republican party Mainstream too...the fringe of that party...

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
44. LOL @ "fringe."
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 10:10 PM
Feb 2015

Yeah. Marriage equality, womens' rights, legalization, fair wages, social and economic justice, the end to unnecessary wars. I guess compared to the ever-rightward-shifting Democratic Party, that *is* pretty radical.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
45. fringe as in....a minority...
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 10:17 PM
Feb 2015

and ideologues to boot!

And by the way....Hillary Clinton whom the Ideologues of the party all seem to hate.....supports EVERY single social and economic issue you just mentioned...this has been a message from the Reality based community....

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
46. Hillary has been in my life for over 20 years.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 10:30 PM
Feb 2015

She's pro-marriage equality, I'll give her that. But she's hardly a voice for America's working stiffs. And war is not pro-women, no matter how many lists are regurgitated on DU and how desperately Hillary fans attempt to portray her as anything but the hawk she is.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
47. Oh really now?
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 10:32 PM
Feb 2015

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(+5 points on Social scale)

Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases: Favors topic 1
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too: Favors topic 1
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania: Strongly Favors topic 1
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice: Favors topic 1
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose: Favors topic 1
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare: Favors topic 1
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion: Favors topic 1
Supports parental notice & family planning: Opposes topic 1
No abortion for sex selection in China: Opposes topic 1
Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus: Favors topic 1
Endorsed Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women: Favors topic 1
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record: Strongly Favors topic 1
Expand embryonic stem cell research: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims: Favors topic 1
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance: Strongly Favors topic 1
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities: Favors topic 1
Ensure access to and funding for contraception: Favors topic 1
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception: Favors topic 1
NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP: Favors topic 1
NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime: Favors topic 1
YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives: Favors topic 1
NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions: Favors topic 1
YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines: Favors topic 1

Strongly Favors topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go: Strongly Favors topic 2
Apologize for slavery, but concentrate on civil rights now: Favors topic 2
Human rights are women’s rights: Neutral on topic 2
Women’s rights are human rights: Favors topic 2
OpEd: "18 million cracks" meant "lingering sexism": Strongly Favors topic 2
Equal pay is not yet equal: Strongly Favors topic 2
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA: Strongly Opposes topic 2
Argued with Bill Clinton about diluting affirmative action: Strongly Favors topic 2
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all: Neutral on topic 2
Sponsored bill maintaining role of women in armed forces: Favors topic 2
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance: Strongly Favors topic 2
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery: Strongly Favors topic 2
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment: Strongly Favors topic 2
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements: Favors topic 2
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue: Favors topic 2
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination: Strongly Favors topic 2

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(+5 points on Social scale)

Increase America’s commitment against Global AIDS: Favors topic 3
I re-evaluated & changed my mind on gay marriage: Favors topic 3
DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union: Strongly Favors topic 3
I support gay marriage personally and as law: Strongly Favors topic 3
Let states decide gay marriage; they’re ahead of feds: Favors topic 3
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex: Strongly Favors topic 3
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards: Favors topic 3
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits: Strongly Favors topic 3
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation: Favors topic 3
More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance: Strongly Favors topic 3
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees: Strongly Favors topic 3
YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3

No opinion on topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(0 points on Social scale)

Partner with faith based community in empowerment zones: Strongly Favors topic 4
Tap into churches to avoid more Louima & Diallo cases: Favors topic 4
Community involvement helps, but only in short term: Favors topic 4
Link payments to good parenting behavior: Opposes topic 4
Allow student prayer, but no religious instruction: Opposes topic 4
Character education: teach empathy & self-discipline: Favors topic 4
Change what kids see in the media: Favors topic 4
Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning: Favors topic 4
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-Family-Value voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 4
Rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation: Strongly Opposes topic 4
NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration: Opposes topic 4

Strongly Favors topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Outcry if AIDS were leading disease of young whites: Favors topic 5
Lower costs and improve quality and cover everybody: Strongly Favors topic 5
Supply more medical needs of families, & insure all children: Strongly Favors topic 5
Medicare should be strengthened today: Favors topic 5
Smaller steps to progress on health care: Favors topic 5
Guaranteed benefits & focus on prevention: Neutral on topic 5
2006: If I can't do universal coverage, why run?: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care will not work if it is voluntary: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care coverage by the end of my second term: Strongly Favors topic 5
We need a uniquely American solution to health care: Favors topic 5
Health care initiatives are her first priority in Senate: Strongly Favors topic 5
Establish "report cards" on HMO quality of care: Favors topic 5
Invest funds to alleviate the nursing shortage: Favors topic 5
Let states make bulk Rx purchases, and other innovations: Opposes topic 5
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record: Strongly Favors topic 5
Preserve access to Medicaid & SCHIP during economic downturn: Strongly Favors topic 5
NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium: Favors topic 5
NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit: Favors topic 5
NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit: Opposes topic 5
YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics: Favors topic 5
YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug: Strongly Favors topic 5
YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D: Favors topic 5
NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000: Opposes topic 5
YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D: Favors topic 5
YES on overriding veto on expansion of Medicare: Favors topic 5

Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)

1997: Hillary warned against privatizing Social Security: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Soc.Sec. one of greatest inventions in American democracy: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Social Security protects families, not just retirees: Strongly Opposes topic 6
All should join the debate now to preserve future solvency: Opposes topic 6
Create Retirement Savings Accounts: Favors topic 6
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 6
NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security: Opposes topic 6

Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(-5 points on Economic scale)

OpEd: Common Core recycled from Clintons in 1980s and 1990s: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fully fund special education & 21st century classrooms: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice; but not private nor parochial: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers drain money from public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fight with Gore for public schools; no voucher “gimmicks”: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Charter schools provide choice within public system: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers siphon off much-needed resources: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Parents can choose, but support public schools: Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice and charter schools: Favors topic 7
Solemn vow never to abandon our public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice: Opposes topic 7
Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes: Strongly Opposes topic 7
YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies: Opposes topic 7

Strongly Opposes topic 8:
No 'rights' to clean air and water
(+5 points on Social scale)

$5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package: Opposes topic 8
Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles: Opposes topic 8
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes: Strongly Opposes topic 8
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up: Opposes topic 8
Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act: Opposes topic 8
Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting: Strongly Opposes topic 8

Opposes topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(+2 points on Social scale)

Longtime advocate of death penalty, with restrictions: Strongly Favors topic 9
Address the unacceptable increase in incarceration: Opposes topic 9
Mandatory sentences have been too widely used: Strongly Opposes topic 9
Give kids after-school activities to prevent gangs: Opposes topic 9
Spend more time with kids to prevent violence: Opposes topic 9
Supports citizen patrols & 3-Strikes-You’re-Out: Favors topic 9
Supports “Three Strikes” and more prison: Strongly Favors topic 9
End hate crimes and other intolerance: Favors topic 9
Require DNA testing for all federal executions: Opposes topic 9
Increase funding for "COPS ON THE BEAT" program: Opposes topic 9
Reduce recidivism by giving offenders a Second Chance: Strongly Opposes topic 9
YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program: Opposes topic 9

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Rein in idea that anybody can have a gun anywhere, anytime: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Against illegal guns, crack down on illegal gun dealers: Opposes topic 10
Get assault weapons & guns off the street: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre: Opposes topic 10
Congress’ failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run: Opposes topic 10
Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs: Opposes topic 10
License and register all handgun sales: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Gun control protects our children: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Lock up guns; store ammo separately: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons: Opposes topic 10
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology: Opposes topic 10
NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence: Strongly Opposes topic 10
NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers: Strongly Opposes topic 10

Strongly Favors topic 11:
Higher taxes on the wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Rescind tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 a year: Strongly Favors topic 11
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget: Favors topic 11
GOP tax plan would hurt New York’s students: Favors topic 11
Rated 21% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes: Strongly Favors topic 11
Rated 80% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset: Favors topic 11
YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates: Favors topic 11
YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction: Favors topic 11
NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years: Strongly Favors topic 11
YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut: Favors topic 11
YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax: Strongly Favors topic 11

Favors topic 12:
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
(+2 points on Social scale)

Introduce a path to earn citizenship in the first 100 days: Strongly Favors topic 12
Consider halting certain raids on illegal immigrant families: Favors topic 12
Deporting all illegal immigrants is unrealistic: Strongly Favors topic 12
Illegal immigrants with driver’s licenses puts them at risk: Opposes topic 12
Oppose granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants: Opposes topic 12
More border patrolling on both Mexican AND Canadian borders: Opposes topic 12
Anti-immigrant bill would have criminalized Jesus Christ: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sanctuary cities ok; local police can’t enforce immigration: Favors topic 12
Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill covering child resident aliens under Medicaid: Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill funding social services for noncitizens: Favors topic 12
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities": Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on establishing a Guest Worker program: Favors topic 12
YES on building a fence along the Mexican border: Strongly Opposes topic 12
YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program: Neutral topic 12
NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on comprehensive immigration reform: Strongly Favors topic 12

Favors topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(+2 points on Economic scale)

Chief advocate for Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP): Strongly Favors topic 13
TPP agreement creates more growth and better growth: Favors topic 13
Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers: Strongly Opposes topic 13
No fast-track authority for this president: Opposes topic 13
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India: Favors topic 13
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program: Opposes topic 13
Globalization should not substitute for humanization: Opposes topic 13
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights: Strongly Favors topic 13
Build a rule-based global trading system: Favors topic 13
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on removing common goods from national security export rules: Favors topic 13
YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam: Favors topic 13
NO on extending free trade to Andean nations: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore: Favors topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile: Favors topic 13
NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on free trade agreement with Oman: Strongly Favors topic 13

Opposes topic 14:
Maintain US sovereignty from UN
(-3 points on Economic scale)

US support & no-fly zone, but UN troops on ground in Darfur: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Support UN reform because US benefits: Opposes topic 14
Engage in world affairs, including human rights: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Keep Cuban embargo; pay UN bills: Opposes topic 14
2002 Iraq speech criticized both Saddam and U.N.: Opposes topic 14
2002: Attacking Iraq "not a good option" but authorized it: Favors topic 14
Urged President to veto UN condemnation of Israel: Favors topic 14
Voted against Levin Amendment: it gave UN veto over US: Favors topic 14
Dems believe in fighting terror with cooperation: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror: Opposes topic 14
YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees: Strongly Opposes topic 14
YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods: Strongly Opposes topic 14
NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad: Strongly Opposes topic 14

No opinion on topic 15:
Expand the military
(0 points on Social scale)

There is no safe haven for the terrorists: Favors topic 15
Our troops are stretched; so increase size of military: Favors topic 15
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 15
Extend reserve retirement pay parity back to 9/11: Favors topic 15
Improve mental health care benefits for returning veterans: Favors topic 15
YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding: Opposes topic 15
YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months: Opposes topic 15

Strongly Favors topic 16:
More enforcement of the right to vote
(+5 points on Social scale)

Presidents should reveal donations to their foundations: Strongly Favors topic 16
Voter suppression revives old demons of discrimination: Favors topic 16
Stand for public financing and getting money out of politics: Strongly Favors topic 16
Move to public election financing, not banning lobbyists: Strongly Favors topic 16
Verified paper ballot for every electronic voting machines: Favors topic 16
Called for ban on all soft money in 2000 campaign: Favors topic 16
Prohibit 'voter caging' which intimidates minority voting: Favors topic 16
YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations: Favors topic 16
YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads: Favors topic 16
NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity: Opposes topic 16
NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress: Strongly Favors topic 16

Favors topic 17:
Stay out of Iran
(+2 points on Social scale)

OpEd: More aggressive than most Dems on foreign policy: Opposes topic 17
Smartest strategic choice is peace: Favors topic 17
Extend peace treaties to Palestinians, Syrians & Lebanese: Favors topic 17
Foreign aid spending is only 1%; lead by remaining engaged: Strongly Favors topic 17
Up to the Iraqis to decide the future they will have: Favors topic 17
Demand Bush to explain to Congress on his plan on Iraq: Favors topic 17
Deauthorize Iraq war, and don’t grant new war authority: Strongly Favors topic 17
Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately: Strongly Favors topic 17
Withdraw troops within 60 days after taking office: Strongly Favors topic 17
Voted for Iraq war based on available info; now would not: Favors topic 17
Progressive Internationalism: globalize with US pre-eminence: Favors topic 17
No troop surge: no military escalation in Iraq: Strongly Favors topic 17
Require Congress' approval before military action in Iran: Favors topic 17
YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq: Strongly Opposes topic 17
NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007: Strongly Opposes topic 17
YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008: Strongly Favors topic 17

Strongly Favors topic 18:
Prioritize green energy
(-5 points on Economic scale)

$100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
$100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us: Strongly Favors topic 18
Stands for clean air and funding the EPA: Favors topic 18
Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health: Favors topic 18
Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit: Strongly Favors topic 18
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases: Favors topic 18
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy: Strongly Favors topic 18
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances: Strongly Favors topic 18
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence: Favors topic 18
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness: Favors topic 18
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025: Strongly Favors topic 18
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards: Strongly Favors topic 18
Gas tax holiday for the summer: Opposes topic 18
NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill: Favors topic 18
YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%): Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Favors topic 18
YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning: Favors topic 18
YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies: Strongly Favors topic 18

Opposes topic 19:
Never legalize marijuana
(+2 points on Social scale)

Medical marijuana now; wait-and-see on recreational pot: Opposes topic 19
Medical marijuana maybe ok; states decide recreational use: Opposes topic 19
Divert non-violent drug offenders away from prison: Strongly Opposes topic 19
Address drug problem with treatment and special drug courts: Strongly Opposes topic 19
End harsher sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine: Opposes topic 19
Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use: Favors topic 19

Strongly Favors topic 20:
Stimulus better than market-led recovery
(-5 points on Economic scale)

Wealthy should go back to paying pre-Bush tax rates: Favors topic 20
Want to restore the tax rates we had in the ‘90s: Favors topic 20
Help people facing foreclosure; don’t just bail-out banks: Strongly Favors topic 20
Minimum wage increases haven’t kept up with Congress’ wages: Strongly Favors topic 20
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005: Strongly Favors topic 20
End Bush tax cuts;take things away from rich for common good: Favors topic 20
Social issues matter; wrong time for tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 20
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium: Strongly Favors topic 20
America can afford to raise the minimum wage: Strongly Favors topic 20
Just Say No to GOP tax plan: Strongly Favors topic 20
YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million: Strongly Favors topic 20

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
49. Facts are Facts and public record is public record....
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 11:46 PM
Feb 2015
http://ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

read where it says "full quotes" as well....its a real eye opener for the Fringe...

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
29. And here I was thinking that she was feeling good about the job she has now.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 06:00 PM
Feb 2015

as a junior Senator who a had leadership job created for her because she is just that damn good and everyone in the Senate knows it.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
30. I agree totally...imagine knocking on the doors of the same folks she has under her economic
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 06:00 PM
Feb 2015

microscope asking for donations. Also, I do not think she has the basic nature to swashbuckle her way through the filth we now call a national campaign. And that's not sexist...she does her best at her career choice...she's a teacher/professor and wants to help folks.

I think she is where she needs to be...maybe in the Cabinet, but she has the world's attention.

Republicans fear Hillary. Banksters fear Elizabeth. Both groups need taking to the proverbial woodshed so I say keep it up, ladies.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
50. She accepted a newly created position in the Senate created just for her
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 03:50 AM
Feb 2015

had private meetings me with Hillary. I think she has agreed to play ball a long time ago.

CanonRay

(14,104 posts)
51. She sure as hell isn't going to get any from Wall Street
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 08:51 AM
Feb 2015

and really, isn't that where pretty much all the money is now? Hence the governance we get.

2naSalit

(86,650 posts)
52. Doesn't her declaration of not wanting to run mean anythiig?
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 09:24 AM
Feb 2015

Some people don't WANT to be president and I champion Ms. Warren for knowing what she wants and once she has it puts it to best use. So what's wrong with that? Cant anyone be satisfied with their position? Can't anyone, even though popular and effective, decline a position they don't feel comfortable about?

One of America's big problems seldom getting any attention is the knee-jerk, head down refusal to accept that just because some Americans want something they will throw temper tantrums and make all-out attempts to destroy anyone and anything that keeps them from having it... even if it means destroying that which they insisted they must have. Apparently taking "No" for an answer is out of the question for so many.

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