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RandySF

(58,911 posts)
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 07:19 PM Feb 2015

Bill Kristol claims that ‘Iraq was safe and peaceful’ when Bush left office

During a panel discussion on ABC’s This Week, commentator Bill Kristol defended the legacy of former President George W. Bush by attempting to explain to a U.S. congressman that the Iraq Bush invaded in 2003 was “safe and peaceful” when he left office in 2008.

Kristol was asked by host George Stephanopoulos to address the foreign policy “roll-out” of Bush brother Jeb Bush last week, with the former Florida governor asserting “I am my own man,” as he attempted to put distance between himself and his brother’s disastrous two terms.

After admitting that Jeb Bush is doing well with donors, but not so well with voters, Kristol said, “They did a great job of rolling him out and making him seem inevitable, but I don’t think he feels as inevitable as they hoped he would at this point.”

Congressman Keith Ellison (D-MN) was quick to point out that the Bush name carries the baggage of the Iraq war which the congressman called, “a complete debacle.”



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/watch-bill-kristol-tells-incredulous-congressman-that-iraq-was-safe-and-peaceful-when-bush-left-office/

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Bill Kristol claims that ‘Iraq was safe and peaceful’ when Bush left office (Original Post) RandySF Feb 2015 OP
Kristol is consistent at least. Skidmore Feb 2015 #1
Which apparently is the main qualification needed to appear on national news broadcasts. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #3
Right. H2O Man Feb 2015 #5
Freaking perfect malaise Feb 2015 #6
Lying liars lie. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #2
Is this the same Bill Kristol that vetted Sarah Palin? Brother Buzz Feb 2015 #4
Bush left office in 2009 krispos42 Feb 2015 #7
ABC News? Wellstone ruled Feb 2015 #8
He must have lived there,how else would he know? SummerSnow Feb 2015 #9
Does this guy hear himself? Marie Marie Feb 2015 #10
bwahahahahahaaaa...words fail me... spanone Feb 2015 #11
TRANSLATION: Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #12
Wrong JonLP24 Feb 2015 #13

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
5. Right.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 07:45 PM
Feb 2015

He has been wrong about literally everything about Iraq. The fact that he feels no shame demonstrates that he has been purposefully lying.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
7. Bush left office in 2009
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 07:56 PM
Feb 2015

Oops.



Also to comment, I suppose it's possible that right at 12:00pm on January 20th, 2009, Iraq was peaceful.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
13. Wrong
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 12:06 AM
Feb 2015


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/the-iraq-isis-conflict-in-maps-photos-and-video.html

On edit - However, opposition forces were brutally oppressed. He gassed the Kurds & Shias, used the water supply as a weapon cutting it off. Shortly before the invasion, there apparently was a referendum (not aware of how it was organized) where Saddam received 100% of the vote and in response Saddam released everybody from his prisons, notable Abu Gharib, even the political prisoners. There were mass celebrations--reunion that day.

On edit -- I re-read his claim which is bullshit

There were concerns early on regarding Al-Maliki

Tariq al-Hashimi became one of Iraq’s two vice presidents beginning in 2006 and was the most senior Sunni politician in Maliki’s government.

The day after the last American troops left Iraq, the country’s interior ministry issued an arrest warrant for Hashimi, suggesting he had ties to bombings and assassinations that took place in 2006 and 2007. Hashimi’s bodyguards were accused of being complicit in targeted killings of Iraqi officials.

Hashimi fled to Iraq’s Kurdistan region the day before the arrest warrant was issued, ultimately leaving for Turkey in 2012. He was tried in absentia and sentenced to death on Sept. 10, 2012.

Hashimi has maintained his innocence, and said the charges against him were “politically motivated” — specifically blaming Maliki. He remains in Turkey to this day.

In the months leading up to Hashimi’s arrest warrant, hundreds of former Baathists, rival politicians and critics were rounded up by Iraq’s security forces. After Hashimi fled, Maliki’s government leveled charges at the bodyguards of another prominent Sunni politician, Iraq’s Finance Minister Rafi al-Issawi. The move prompted widespread anti-government protests among Sunnis, and Issawi resigned in March 2013. The protests only grew in Sunni-dominated Anbar province in 2013. On Dec. 28, Iraq’s security forces arrested a Sunni member of Parliament, Ahmed al-Alwani. Two days later, they moved to dismantle the protests camps in Ramadi, and at least 10 people were killed.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/losing-iraq/the-iraq-wars-key-players-where-are-they-now/

Bush was there when they put the wrong man in chargbe

f jihadists control Iraq, blame Nouri al-Maliki, not the United States. (I actually agree 100%)



As the U.S. pullout began under the terms of a treaty signed in 2008 by then-President George W. Bush, Maliki, the leader of a Shiite political party, promised to run a more inclusive government—to bring more Sunnis into the ministries, to bring more Sunnis from the Sons of Iraq militia into the national army, to settle property disputes in Kirkuk, to negotiate a formula on sharing oil revenue with Sunni districts, and much more.

Maliki has since backpedaled on all of these commitments and has pursued policies designed to strengthen Shiites and marginalize Sunnis. That has led to the resurgence of sectarian violence in the past few years. The Sunnis, finding themselves excluded from the political process, have taken up arms as the route to power. In the process, they have formed alliances with Sunni jihadist groups—such as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, which has seized not just Mosul but much of northern Iraq—on the principle that the enemy of their enemy is their friend.

Something like this has happened before. Between 2005 and 2006, jihadists who called themselves al-Qaida in Iraq, led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, took control of Anbar province, in the western part of the country, by playing on the population’s fear of the anti-Sunni ethnic-cleansing campaigns launched by Maliki’s army.* ISIS, an offshoot of Zarqawi’s organization, is following the same handbook, picking up support from one of northern Iraq’s leading Sunni militias, Jaysh Rijal al-Tariqah al-Naqshbandia, or JRTN. That is a risky move for a group like JRTN, which shares neither the millenarian goals nor the extremely violent tactics of ISIS (which, it’s worth noting, was expelled from al-Qaida because even current al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahiri considered the group too violent). But JRTN’s leaders have accepted the risk for now to advance their own goal of overthrowing Maliki. (They boast that they have been fighting alongside ISIS, but disavow involvement in the killing of civilians.)

<snip>

While most U.S. commanders in post-Hussein Iraq were ordering their soldiers to bust down doors and arrest or shoot all men who seemed to be insurgents, Petraeus and his team took steps to create a government. Using funds pilfered from Saddam Hussein’s coffers, they vetted candidates for a citywide election (selecting leaders from all factions and tribes), started up newspapers and TV stations, coordinated fuel shipments from Turkey, and reopened businesses, communication lines, and the university. This game plan was classic “nation-building,” a phrase anathema to most Army generals and the secretary of defense at the time, Donald Rumsfeld. The idea was not to make the people of Mosul love America, but rather to make them feel invested in the future of the new Iraq.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2014/06/mosul_s_collapse_is_nouri_al_maliki_s_fault_iraq_s_prime_minister_failed.html
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