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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBill Kristol claims that ‘Iraq was safe and peaceful’ when Bush left office
During a panel discussion on ABCs This Week, commentator Bill Kristol defended the legacy of former President George W. Bush by attempting to explain to a U.S. congressman that the Iraq Bush invaded in 2003 was safe and peaceful when he left office in 2008.
Kristol was asked by host George Stephanopoulos to address the foreign policy roll-out of Bush brother Jeb Bush last week, with the former Florida governor asserting I am my own man, as he attempted to put distance between himself and his brothers disastrous two terms.
After admitting that Jeb Bush is doing well with donors, but not so well with voters, Kristol said, They did a great job of rolling him out and making him seem inevitable, but I dont think he feels as inevitable as they hoped he would at this point.
Congressman Keith Ellison (D-MN) was quick to point out that the Bush name carries the baggage of the Iraq war which the congressman called, a complete debacle.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/watch-bill-kristol-tells-incredulous-congressman-that-iraq-was-safe-and-peaceful-when-bush-left-office/
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)He's wrong about everything all of the time.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)He has been wrong about literally everything about Iraq. The fact that he feels no shame demonstrates that he has been purposefully lying.
malaise
(269,054 posts)Yeeeeeeeeeeeeees - you nailed it.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,444 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)Oops.
Also to comment, I suppose it's possible that right at 12:00pm on January 20th, 2009, Iraq was peaceful.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Propaganda Central hosted by a Third Way Elitist so called Democrat.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)What a POS he is.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)I mean really, does he ever really listen to what he says?
spanone
(135,844 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)"Move along, folks. Nothing to see here (in Iraq). Nothing happened."
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/the-iraq-isis-conflict-in-maps-photos-and-video.html
On edit - However, opposition forces were brutally oppressed. He gassed the Kurds & Shias, used the water supply as a weapon cutting it off. Shortly before the invasion, there apparently was a referendum (not aware of how it was organized) where Saddam received 100% of the vote and in response Saddam released everybody from his prisons, notable Abu Gharib, even the political prisoners. There were mass celebrations--reunion that day.
On edit -- I re-read his claim which is bullshit
There were concerns early on regarding Al-Maliki
Tariq al-Hashimi became one of Iraqs two vice presidents beginning in 2006 and was the most senior Sunni politician in Malikis government.
The day after the last American troops left Iraq, the countrys interior ministry issued an arrest warrant for Hashimi, suggesting he had ties to bombings and assassinations that took place in 2006 and 2007. Hashimis bodyguards were accused of being complicit in targeted killings of Iraqi officials.
Hashimi fled to Iraqs Kurdistan region the day before the arrest warrant was issued, ultimately leaving for Turkey in 2012. He was tried in absentia and sentenced to death on Sept. 10, 2012.
Hashimi has maintained his innocence, and said the charges against him were politically motivated specifically blaming Maliki. He remains in Turkey to this day.
In the months leading up to Hashimis arrest warrant, hundreds of former Baathists, rival politicians and critics were rounded up by Iraqs security forces. After Hashimi fled, Malikis government leveled charges at the bodyguards of another prominent Sunni politician, Iraqs Finance Minister Rafi al-Issawi. The move prompted widespread anti-government protests among Sunnis, and Issawi resigned in March 2013. The protests only grew in Sunni-dominated Anbar province in 2013. On Dec. 28, Iraqs security forces arrested a Sunni member of Parliament, Ahmed al-Alwani. Two days later, they moved to dismantle the protests camps in Ramadi, and at least 10 people were killed.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/losing-iraq/the-iraq-wars-key-players-where-are-they-now/
Bush was there when they put the wrong man in chargbe
f jihadists control Iraq, blame Nouri al-Maliki, not the United States. (I actually agree 100%)
As the U.S. pullout began under the terms of a treaty signed in 2008 by then-President George W. Bush, Maliki, the leader of a Shiite political party, promised to run a more inclusive governmentto bring more Sunnis into the ministries, to bring more Sunnis from the Sons of Iraq militia into the national army, to settle property disputes in Kirkuk, to negotiate a formula on sharing oil revenue with Sunni districts, and much more.
Maliki has since backpedaled on all of these commitments and has pursued policies designed to strengthen Shiites and marginalize Sunnis. That has led to the resurgence of sectarian violence in the past few years. The Sunnis, finding themselves excluded from the political process, have taken up arms as the route to power. In the process, they have formed alliances with Sunni jihadist groupssuch as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, which has seized not just Mosul but much of northern Iraqon the principle that the enemy of their enemy is their friend.
Something like this has happened before. Between 2005 and 2006, jihadists who called themselves al-Qaida in Iraq, led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, took control of Anbar province, in the western part of the country, by playing on the populations fear of the anti-Sunni ethnic-cleansing campaigns launched by Malikis army.* ISIS, an offshoot of Zarqawis organization, is following the same handbook, picking up support from one of northern Iraqs leading Sunni militias, Jaysh Rijal al-Tariqah al-Naqshbandia, or JRTN. That is a risky move for a group like JRTN, which shares neither the millenarian goals nor the extremely violent tactics of ISIS (which, its worth noting, was expelled from al-Qaida because even current al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahiri considered the group too violent). But JRTNs leaders have accepted the risk for now to advance their own goal of overthrowing Maliki. (They boast that they have been fighting alongside ISIS, but disavow involvement in the killing of civilians.)
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While most U.S. commanders in post-Hussein Iraq were ordering their soldiers to bust down doors and arrest or shoot all men who seemed to be insurgents, Petraeus and his team took steps to create a government. Using funds pilfered from Saddam Husseins coffers, they vetted candidates for a citywide election (selecting leaders from all factions and tribes), started up newspapers and TV stations, coordinated fuel shipments from Turkey, and reopened businesses, communication lines, and the university. This game plan was classic nation-building, a phrase anathema to most Army generals and the secretary of defense at the time, Donald Rumsfeld. The idea was not to make the people of Mosul love America, but rather to make them feel invested in the future of the new Iraq.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2014/06/mosul_s_collapse_is_nouri_al_maliki_s_fault_iraq_s_prime_minister_failed.html